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    Gloranthan studies - beware of spoilers! I don't speak canon!
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  1. Joerg

    Draconic Magic

    That's not how the real draconic mysticism worked, but how the short cuts of Isgangdrang and his cronies on the Third Council worked out. Mystics like Obduran and Ingolf did not participate in the channeling of draconic reveration. Obduran is the one draconic mystic from the early period who also embraced the Cult of Orlanth. That dual dedication brought him onto the Ring of Orlanthland when that was mainly comprised of traditionalist, anti-draconic priests of Orlanth. I am fairly certain that other mystics of his school did not identify with the Cult of Orlanth and went about their ascension (or at least preparations for that) on their own, without the new-fangled "Great Living Hero" munchkinnery the traditionalist Ring of Orlanthland had bestowed on Hardrad Hardslaughter after his strike against the Shadowlords, rather than making him their king. History of the Heortling Peoples names two more Great Living Heroes, Renvald Meldekbane (a traditionalist from the Hendriki kingdom, outside of the EWF) and Varankol the Mangler, first of the Tusk Riders, from within the EWF but not a draconic mystic in any way), leaders in the Machine Wars. I have the impression that the magical boost Isgangdrang, Lorenkargartan and probably the Dragon Sun too used was this kind of Great Living Hero worship, turned towards their ambition to become Great Dragons. The Dragon Sun Emperor may have been a conventional, non-short-cut draconic mystic. Dragonewts do take exception to magicians tapping their road network for magical power. Ths usually leads to a bunch of warrior newts dropping out of that road and wreaking havoc Anyone lingering near one of their nest cities may become prey for their hunting - like trolls, it doesn't seem like dragonewts have any ethical problems with hunting and eating sapients for food.
  2. Joerg

    Elmal?

    I sincerely hope that we are going to get a "Cults of Dragon Pass and Saird", as we have suffered from the Praxian (lack of) perspective for too long. Don't get me wrong, Cults of Prax is brilliant - for the Zola Fel valley in Prax. But it is of limited use describing Sartar. The Cult of Ernalda in RQ3 DeLuxe box was an attempt to get beyond the Praxian ghetto, and describe the Orlanthi. Only it was possible to read the cult without realizing that half of the people in Dragon Pass are members of this cult, and probably 95% of the population worship her.
  3. Joerg

    Backford 1626

    Do the Orlanthi in Heortland practice irrigation? The descriptions of the lack of rain bringing wind in "Ten Women Well Loved" and in the King of Sartar mention of the absence of Bingista the Good Wind during the Machine Wars suggest that they don't. Salt meadows on the other hand are a boon for herders. Herd beasts would drink from saline springs, too. Not to still their thirst, but to intake the minerals necessary for healthy hooves and horns. Do the Heortlanders use silty river water as source of their drinking water, or do they use clear springs or collected rain water? IMG the latter. Rain is anything but scarce in the region as long as Daga hasn't been released. I can accept "it is evil because it may alter its course without regards for a river bed, taking down steads or drowning herds." But that is basically what the Dragon Pass gazetteer had to say about the (essential) Chorms River south of Wilmskirk. Another entity presented as an evil alien which I felt was highly inappropriate for Orlanthi society and virtues. Orlanthi raiders and warriors respect crafty and powerful opponents, even if they will happily capture, kill or cripple them for fame or riches. Below Backford, the Syphon climbs a rather narrow valley up into the plateau. There are 10 miles between Backford and the Syphon estuary, and ten miles before it enters Stone Forest. That's a quite short, narrow band that "suffers" from saline water. Cities have been founded near a source of saline water, and have prospered from that resource. This might explain why Backford is fairly sizeable in 1621 (7k inhabitants - I would have given it less than 5k). It prospers thanks to the salty river, not in spite of it.
  4. Speaking from a potential author's point of view, what can be fed to you would be scenarios that don't have recurring antagonists, and that in the end have no consequence to the world except to your players, and whatever narrative you as a GM have to make out of that. Do you like your sandboxes with a current political situation (and possibly a year number attached), or would you prefer a rather imprecise temporal context? Would it be fine with you to place a scenario into the past of your gazetteer information, or is that a straitjacket, too? Creating a sandbox of inconsequential encounters is rather easy. Inconsequential as in it doesn't matter how the outcome is, the next scenario won't change from that. (Though, where does such an approach enable player agency?) Making previously encountered antagonists or helpers memorable and recurring characters would be the job of the GM. How would one present an antagonist who develops to your kind of sandbox? Give the antagonist a number of goals, perhaps each with a number of means to achieve those goals and possible setback options that may involve the player characters?
  5. Joerg

    Elmal?

    Thunderous, Adventurous and Rex? Yes. Same god, very different cults, although rather easy to progress in between. Like the prevalence of horse archers among the Templars. None in Prax or Balazar, plenty elsewhere. I was surprised to see Elmal mentioned for the Far Place. Shouldn't have been there. I regard the article in WF15 as wrong in that aspect. IMO there were differences among the Yelmalians. Harvar harbored dissidents who had fled from Vanntar, and it is possible that others who would subscribe to Vanntar's ways may have been troublesome. Monrogh's schism was brewing since 1540 or so, and when Tarkalor helped establish Monrogh in Vanntar about 70 years ago (give or take a few years) Monrogh also had a temple hierarchy to back him up. I had the information that the Tarshite-speaking tribes in Sartar worship Yelmalio rather than Elmal in the mid-nineties when I wrote the cattle-raid/dragonewt encounter scenario for Free INT, directly from Greg. Citing the Guide would have given this a bit more canonicity (p.152) than the wikia. The runes assigned in RQG are selected from a more reduced subset of runes than those in the Guide or HQG. There are differences. One difference is that in RQG, Yelmalio gets the Fire Rune, too, as no character has any elemental sub-runes like Cold or Light.
  6. Nothing, they are reprints of about 40 year old publications. Almost all information has been recycled into Glorantha products at some time. Mainly details, old concepts, or surprising ideas that weren't continued. The four earliest issues deal with the White Bear and Red Moon and Nomad Gods board games rather than roleplaying, and much of that went into the Corbett rules revision of the boardgames (with the Nomad God adaptation only published by Multisim as Les Dieux Nomades). The Sourcebook has inherited most of the setting info in the later issues. The notes from the Sartar Campaign have last been accumulated in Wyrm's Footprints. Most of the fiction snippets in the early issues already were reprinted in the RQ2 RuneQuest Companion.
  7. Joerg

    Elmal?

    Probably west of the Starfire ridges, through Volsaxi and Kitori lands. I expect the Runegate triaty to have been in place when Lismelder split the Malani tribe and entered the area west of the Starfire Ridges adjacent to the Upland Marsh (which may have been significantly smaller then). All evidence points against them having been Pure Horse People in the last two millennia (since the Silver Age), or against them leading a nomadic lifestyle at any point in that time. Nomadic horse herding may have been a viable alternative to sitting out the ravages of the Darkness in fortifications, but the Dawn Settlement list suggests that the two rider tribes of the Heortlings had sat the worst of the Darkness out in fortified villages like the rest of the Heortlings. I would give them a greater chance to be descendants of the Orgovaltes, who had Ulanin the Rider as their Hyaloring ancestor. Shorter migration distance southwards (possibly as horse archer mercenaries for Palangio's phalangites, moving into the possibly when the Orgovaltes tribe was discontinued shortly after the Gbaji Wars, possibly when the dragonfriends came to dominate the Council of Orlanthland, possibly as a reaction to the famine of 1042 and 1043, possibly fleeing from the Pelorians 1118 or so). If they are descended from the Orgovaltes, possibly as early as the second or third century of Time, as the Orgovaltes expanded and possibly replaced Garanvuli settlements. The Hendriki were formed from remnants of the Garanvuli, but at that time non-Garanvuli already had moved into the Marzeel valley and the Heortland plateau. There may well have been clans or minor tribes formerly of the Orgovaltes among the newly-founded Hendriki. Alternatively, they could have come in the wake of Palangio. Worshipping Elmal rather than Daysenerus, offering light horse auxilary to Palangio's hoplites. The Berennethtelli start with Elmal as one of their ancestral deities, and a similar assumption goes for the Orgovaltes. We don't know how exactly worship or dedication to a deity inside the pantheon worked in Vingkotling times. There would have been sacrifices of beasts and personal magic, but whether or how there was any cult structure is unknown. Ulanin ends up as a hero cult of Orlanth, much like Heort, but needn't have been anything like an initiate of Orlanth (like Heort wasn't either). The Orlanthi initiation pattern appears to start with the Heortlings, introduced by Hantrafal. Worship of divine ancestors (often just a few generations ago) and living heroes may have been the main religious activity of the Vingkotlings. The sacrifices may well have been received in person, much like a visiting king gets hosted in the manor/longhouse/whatever set aside for use of the tribe (or usually used as clan assembly). I don't expect much (if any) Yelmalio presence in Runegate, or the Colymar hinterland. Those who were inclined to follow Yelmalio would have left for Vanntar, to live the life of thanes rather than lowly carls or weaponthanes. Monrogh's offer of a basic income with tenants was a very strong honey trap, similar to the stipend that the early converts to Islam received under the first few Caliphs (all converts were expected to give military service while able-bodied, so this was more like a soldier's salary than a stipend, turning into a pension at old age).
  8. Joerg

    Draconic Magic

    Yes, that's the more poetic and less scientific name for this effect. Or draconic consciousness doesn't end at their skins or skulls, but extends outward, and may at any moment gather the material there up into its being. True dragons Dream Dragons and wyverns are a change to the material world, too. Activity by proxy, or by shedding - a dream dragon might be the spiritual equivalent to skin left behind by a snake or a lizard. That geographical dragon project may have contributed to this, but its effects would have been noticeable in barbarian Ralios, too.
  9. A duck hero, the middle of three brothers? Fond of counting down from ten?
  10. Joerg

    Backford 1626

    Calling a fighter who remains behind to stop a chaos foe while the rest rushes elsewhere evil has never been logical to me. The cult of Storm Bull at least should see it as a kindred spirit, taking care of the Chaos at its footprint despite the order to retreat sounds exactly like a Storm Bull would behave in such a situation. What difference does this make? IMO this is a blessing for the herders rather than a curse. The coastal flats with its salt meadows is prime estate to keep your beasts healthy, and the Syphon valley has the only salt meadows on the plateau. Heortling agriculture doesn't usually grow grain in annually flooded valley bottoms, but uses the lighter soil of gentle hill flanks. Esrolian or Dara Happan river bottom agriculture would suffer, but Heortling mixed farming and ranching only profits. "All rivers, come and rush towards Chaos!" "At it, sir!" Magasta is not a friend of the Orlanthi, so why should they care about disobedience to that distant and rapacious lord of their foes? So it is evil because it doesn't form the norm. In a culture that celebrates going against a norm It is evil because it is different. It is evil because it rebeled against an order. That's not congruent with Orlanthi values at all. If the Imarjans declared that behavior as evil, I wouldn't be upset, but this is the land of the spirit of freedom.
  11. Joerg

    Backford 1626

    A brackish river, really. The Choralinthor Bay receives one of the strongest rivers in the world, fed by the Sky River, and numerous lesser ones, making its water rather brackish. The water in the estuary fjords is quite likely potable. More importantly IMG, the Syphon is an active water, bulging above its bed like a jellyfish tentacle - which is what makes the fordable stretch at Backford rather special. It also holds one entry to/exit from the Fish Roads at Backford. The Syphon is a lonesome fighter against Chaos, much like his sister Sounders on the far side of the Storm Mountains.
  12. Joerg

    Draconic Magic

    For dragon magic to work, you need to have a field of draconic energy to work with IMG. A sleeping dragon or a bunch of advanced dragonewts in deep meditation leak enough such energies to allow some fantastic draconic effects. The dragonewt road plinths may be such a source, though tapping into any of these may alert dragonewts or sleeping dragons. You can have such a magical field from sufficiently draconized theist worship. That's how the EWF core lands operated, combining local human worship, local draconic stray energy and also "magical tribute" in Peloria and Ralios to create a highly magical field in which life became more draconic, as described in Middle Sea Empire. There are ways to finance draconic magic with rune points or their equivalent (e.g. bachelor newtlings who survived their indenture with dragonewts who may receive dragonewt effects as their rewards). These rewards should be multiplied (or cost diminished) when applied in a strong draconic environment.
  13. Dryads are nymphs, genii loci who require a certain amount of ambient life force to thrive. In case of a dryad, this means a grove, trees and lesser plants whose spirits support the dryad. You might use something like wyter-support to determine the environmental power of a dryad, with beast and plant worshipers counted in.
  14. Joerg

    Backford 1626

    If Backford is the only crossing of the Syphon above the Mirrorsea Bay, then Heortland would effecively be split into two parts without any overland connection. Scorpionmen - even the barely sentient ones - are terrible opponents in terrain where they can use the vertical for their advantage. At least IMG the scorpionfolk can run up vertical walls, and fight hanging or falling down from ceilings. Does Gagix have Krarshti allies? In that case, expect there to be Krarshti tunnels connecting the conquered area with the Print.
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