The Wanderer

😕 What do you think?

Ok, thanks!

Is it possible to build things that your basic manor already have, like the armory and the herds? 🤔 I thought they were listed for replacement just in case the original was destroyed.

Moreover, as they come with their own mercenary soldiers from Salisbury, how would the "servitum debitum" be managed on these manors?

10 hours ago, Morien said:

Ah, I thought you were asking what happens when you play by LD rules.

I was asking about the manors given to the PKs in the Rydychan adventure, but adapting them to the BotE system!

Also, the PK who hosts the countess (baroness in my campaign) of Rydychan I think would not even have DF, because he would have to upkeep her and her retinue...

3 hours ago, Morien said:

LD is using 'Money you don't see' with £7 income - £1 for fief upkeep (for 1 POP manor) = £6 per manor. So, no.

Sorry but I don't understand 🙈 (I didn't read the rules for manor in LD, I am trying to adapt this adventure to the BotE/BotW system!). If they are regular manors then thay would be £10 manors... without wife and children then at least the could save £2, so £3 DF???

Do the manors given to the PKs in the campaign described in Lordy Domains give them more discretionary income as they don't have to maintain court and family? 🤔 Well of course they will have to maintain the baroness but...

Is it possible to reduce the price if the father is dead and therefore the knight inherits the armor, weapons and even horses?

1 minute ago, Atgxtg said:

Not to William's son!

I've had a few similar situation crop up in my campaign. Ususally an heiress just means a little extra pocket money. Then she dies and the party's over.

That's the thing.  It would've been a great deal if she was his first wife, with the heir of his and her being the same person.

But still, I (and my players) love this knid of game ala Game Of Thrones 🤣

You know, William thought he was fortunate to marry a heiress, but... he had a son from the previous marriage and after his death, all the land was again splitted between heirs! Isn't it funny? 😂

1 hour ago, Morien said:

I think you mentioned at some point that the widow had done some stupid deal with the uncle that the uncle would keep 2/3rds of her manor as well. In which case, yes, the husband would only get 2/3rds of a manor (1/3+1/3), her widow's portion.

Yeah I did that but because you said it could be a good option!! You said this:

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The heiress' manor belongs to her bloodline. So it goes to HER eldest son, Egbert, who becomes a ward of someone, possibly even the same uncle. Elizabeth gets 1/3 of the landholdings held by the husband (with the exception of the gifted manor, see below), so 1/3 of her own manor and 1/3 of William's original manor. Yeah, it is a bit unfair towards Elizabeth, but she never exercised independent control over her inherited manor away (only as William's wife). But assuming we don't put her into guardianship, too, then it would explain why she would be keen on getting the guardianship of Egbert at least. In this scenario, she would control her own manor and 1/3 of William's original manor.

So... I thought her portion would be 1/3 of her own manor and 1/3 of William's manor. But now I understand seems that she gets 1/3 of William's manor her entire manor until her heir is grown. 

Then, the uncle would only have 2/3 of William's manor, so only 1 knight of servitum debitum (himself). That means that de HHK she had sex with and now wants to marry is HER own HHK 😂 so...  I think in that case only the countess would have something to say, as neither he has to say about Elizabeth, nor her HHK, right?

OMG WHAT A MEDIEVAL SOAP OPERA HAHAHAHA

6 hours ago, Morien said:

Whose household knight is this guy, anyway? If he is the uncle's HHK to begin with, he would need the uncle's permission, too.

He was the HHK of the former PK, and also family of him. Now that the uncle is the guardian, I suppose he is the uncle's HHK...

6 hours ago, Morien said:

On the other hand, if you follow Atgxtg's suggestion that widows get to decide their own actions rather than be put under guardianship, then the Countess might actually have a good reason to champion the widow-heiress and approve the marriage

The uncle is the guardian of the part of the landholding that the sons of the PK will inherit when they come to age (2/3 of the landholding), but the widower has her dower (1/3), with her servitum debitum, etc.

6 hours ago, Morien said:

She is an heiress, right? So if the Countess agrees to the marriage, the household knight becomes a vassal knight until HER eldest son inherits her manor (note: NOT THE FORMER PK'S ELDEST SON). So the uncle has very little leverage if that happens.

So he becomes a vassal knight with only that 1/3 of the landholding (the widow's portion), right?

On 4/5/2020 at 7:53 PM, Morien said:

Also, the Widow's Portion is for her lifetime. Why is she accepting this crummy deal for a boy who is not her own child, hurting her own children in the process?

What if she puts herself in trouble having a baby the year after the dead of her husband with a household knight and now both are asking permission to the Countess to marry.

The guardian of the inheritance (the uncle) have made the proposition that he will continue mantaining the household knight and the widower only if she resign from her dower's portion, which in that case would return to the "normal" inheritance.

Regarding the scandal of having a son out of the marriage, do you think the Countess would agree? I don't know if I explained it well 😅

1 hour ago, Hzark10 said:

Just curious, how do you roll 155? not easily divisible.

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1 hour ago, Luca Cherstich said:

Sometimes I use a lot of ad-hoc GM& player improvisation or, if I'm bored, I roll on the "Courtly Experience" table from this pdf.
https://www.chaosium.com/content/FreePDFs/Pendragon/NM14 - Marriage of Count Roderick.pdf

 

Furthermore, Book of Uther p. 60-62 has some tables for creating very quick adventure-hooks for  court intrigues, but you have to work developing them.

Thank you very much

For feasts less important where you don't use the BotF, what rules do you use?

5 hours ago, Luca Cherstich said:

regarding playing online: I make the players roll 1d155 and then I post the Jpeg of the Card.

I take note of that! Thanks

Hello, I've just acquired the Book of Feasts but I still haven't read it. Do you recommend using it in the game or not?

PS: as skype or zoom is not possible for us, the next weeks of quarantine I'm going to run the campaign via forum for my players (I created a forum for that matter). Any suggestions?

1 hour ago, Atgxtg said:

Yes, and hopefully the Knight spreads those aids out a bit. In my campaign one knight nearly terrorized his peasants when he considered marring off his eldest daughter the same year he knighted his eldest son. 

Hahahaha!

6 hours ago, Morien said:

ransoming the liege

Is "the liege" here refering to the knight? Or does it refer to the kinght's liege? I mean, if the PK is captured, do the peasants also have to pay for the ransom?

Well, as it's written on the book, I thought the universal aids were for lords from their vassals, and therefore, lords without vassals  wouldn't have universal aids... but it seems I was wrong. 

So, do the knights without subenfeoffed lands get these four universal aids from their peasants?

Fair enough!

11 hours ago, Morien said:

The foot soldiers ought to have Loyalty (Lord), as they are part of the mesnie.

Is it loyalty to the PK they serve or to the lord of the PK (let's say, the count)?

9 hours ago, Morien said:

To be honest, normally neither as the squires play such a background-only role usually. Frankly, I am happy if the Players even remember to update the squire's age.

So you don't update the stats of the squire, wife, entourage, etc? To be honest, for me it is the most tiring thing of the winter phase!

However, how do you determine when there is a saxon raid, if the knight and squire are home? Do you roll a dice to determine the season or just assume he is there?

10 hours ago, Morien said:

3) It takes 5 professionals to defend a manor enclosure. Knight, squire and 3 footmen. With 12 (3 knights & squires, 6 footmen) you have enough to defend a motte-and-bailey castle, anyway, so it hardly matters.

You're right, I always forget the squires!! 😂