The Wanderer

Let's say this scenario: a PK has three manors. One is his original one (granted). The other two: one comes with his wife as dowry (heiress) (gifted or granted manor? dunno) and the last one is gifted by the Countess Ellen.

The knight dies, and his eldest son is still too young to inherit and become a knight.

So... my questions are:

1) Is the dowry land of a heiress gifted or granted? Is her dower (widow's portion) equal to his dowry?

2) Assuming Countess Ellen will name as guardian his uncle (the player's knight until the son becomes knight himself), what exactly will be the widower's portion in this case?

3) What portion of the land will inherit the eldest son when he becomes a knight?

4) Will the son inherit his mother's widow's portion when she eventually dies? And what if she marries again?

Thanks in advance.

Ok, I see! I thought TD was not recovered on it's own, now I understand! (I revised the BotE). Thanks again!

So for one tribute, lets say it is 2 Lots (£2)... next Winter, if they roll a successful stewardship roll they will recover just 1 lot... and therefore income would be £9 instead of 10.

That means that they will carry with the consecuences of the tribute two years!! Am I saying right?

45 minutes ago, Morien said:

Also, I would treat tribute as Temporary Damage, and allow stewardship rolls to stretch the resources out a bit (Supply Replacement, ESTATE p. 46).

I understood from an answer you gave me in other topic of the forum that tribute is just measured in libram, not damage!😂

Otherwise they couldn't pay it from their treasure instead of the income...

Does the lots effect on court, army and servants affect the lord in any way?

How would you lower it? Well, by now they didn't squeezed yet...

20 hours ago, Morien said:

I'd say in Render since otherwise it is a bit too tough for the PKs to come up with the silver. As for how much its should be, I did give my suggestion in that old forum post you said you read? Generally, though, I think 2 lots is about the way to go (2 lots = £2 per £10 manor). This way, they can afford a single tribute easily enough, but paying two tributes the same year will start to hurt.

As squeeze causes permanent damage... does tribute also cause damage (permanent or temporary)? O is it just pounds in render and no damage at all? 🤔🤔

Yeah, that's the way I explained it to them, overall. None of my players are interested in any details, except one of them, so...

7 minutes ago, Morien said:

Of course, if your PKs already have a host of HHKs of their own

Isn't that a MUST if they have more than one manor, to have one knight per manor, regarding the servitum debitum? It doesn't cost anything to arm these household knights, right? Or do they have to provide them with the weapons/armor and horse? 🤔

Yeah, I've studied the economy issues and made a simplified scheme/abstract for my players to understand it 😅 (add the complication that the books are in english and we're all from Spain!).

Do you reccomend lowering the tribute to 1 or 2 pounds? We're are using the lots of damage, but is tribute measured in lots (as it's in render) or in pounds?

Yet another question... raids, pillage, etc... it occurs PER manor (with 10 lots each) or is it preferably to make the damage to the lands of the same player as a whole (with a total of 10 lots) (supposing that the lands are in the same county of course!)?

Sorry for bombing you with sooo many questions 😥

*Edit: I'm using the whole BotE/BotW system, including £10 manors!!

4 hours ago, Atgxtg said:

Anyone who subscribes to the theory that Uflius knows about Arthur and is setting up for the future might believe that Ulfius is purposely building a power base for Arthur. 

I like that theory!

I have a question regarding the adventure as it's written in lordy domains... It is written as if the PKs go to Rydychan alone with the countess... they are supposed to take some soldiers/knights with them, right? At least the ones they maintain for servitum debitum. Otherwise they'd need to hire mercenaries to fight against the robbers...?

1 hour ago, Morien said:

Yep, again this was no loss to Ellen, although technically, this would make Ellen a vassal of Ulfius. The manor is still part of Ulfius' grant from Uther, you see. Ulfius doesn't OWN the land, he is just a vassal of the king in charge of the land.  It is a bit strange that Ulfius would hand a manor over rather than just the knight's head, especially given that Ulfius was happy enough to let Blains of Levcomagus feud with Roderick over a decade... But maybe Ulfius really needed Salisbury's help with something, especially if he was getting pressure from the Angles and Essex?

Yes that was the reason, saxons were making pressure, specially since I'm going to play Rydychan adventure next and there is said that de saxons attack Silchester caunty. I understand the vassal thing... then I will simply say the player that the manor was gifted for him by Ulfius because it was the land which was raided by the traitor (that was the real thing that happened on the adventure so it's a minor change) ^^ 

1 hour ago, Morien said:

Also, I hope you have been clear that the Saxon tribute is PER manor, not per PK? That is something that really made my players groan with dismay during the Anarchy.

OMG I didn't knew that!! I will have to drop down from 3 pounds to 2 or 1 then (as you reccomended on another post, I know). I kept it 3 pounds because I thought it was a tribute per PK 🤣 (and with so much manor they were very wealthy, you know). Now, if I don't drop it they are going to starve til death!!!

Also they will need to have some treasure to hire soldiers in order to take over Rydychan...

One thing is that all the land is gifted but not granted... so if they die, at least a part is going to return to the Count/ess ^^

1 hour ago, Morien said:

Too much for me, but hey, it is your game. As long as you and your players are happy, that is all that matters.

Let me guess... you let the PKs marry the heiresses from the Salisbury write-up? (Greg downgraded their landholdings in a forum post, since there wasn't simply enough manors for those massive estates to be reasonable. Even 1-manor heiresses would be very rare, like one per generation, under normal circumstances.)

Well, I think I overdid it while Roderick was alive and gave the first two manors to the heroes of any battle... and so on: 

- One married a heiress (but not one of the richest, and had to court her during two or three years, using the table of GPC... but rolled a natural 20 after all so...). He obtained only one manor.

- Other (Medbourne), after defeating Gorboduc, the Countess gave him the manor.

- Two were given to the two knights with the highest Glory, after St Albans (considering a lot of nobles died...) because the knights supported Ellen to rule Salisbury.

- The last one, after defeating a foreign robber knight who was pillaging the border of Salisbury... the traitor was a vasall of Duke Ulfius, so after the feud he confiscated the manor and gifted to Ellen in sign of peace, who then gave it to one of the knights.

And that's all😅😅 maybe too much, I admit, but now it's done and I'll have to cope with it!!

Thank you very much, you made things pretty clear now.

By now, I have four players. One of them (6000 glory) has 4 manors, other has 3 manors (but have just died, with 5800 glory) and the other two have 2 manors each (around 5000 glory).

What do you think? Is it too much? hahaha😅

Thank you very much for all the good advices ^^

I'll take a look in Lordly Domains!!

Also, don't you think letting one PKs to marry with the countess would be unfair for the others? Or even giving just one estate, and manors for the others...?

I'm going to run the Rydychan adventure in 499, but I find so little info in the GPC about this adventure and I have a lot of doubts.

First of all, how could possiby the PKs help the countess of Rydychan against the army of the usurpers? They only have two or three manors each, so could only gather a small army. Is the countess Ellen willing to give soliders to help them?

If they end the adventure doing well, BotE suggest rewarding them with some estate... do you think it's a good idea? Do the estates have to be in Rydychan?

Thanks in advance!

Hello, I'm running a GPC as GM and now that we're playing during the Anarchy Period. I've just acquired BotE and BotW... 

Some of my players have more than one manor, but I want to use the estates. I'd like to reward one of my players with one estate from lady Ellen, within Salisbury... so...

1. Is it ok to gather his manors into one single estate? Or should I gift him with other estate?

2. How many estates does Salisbury have? Should I invent (create) the estate or are there some list? 

3. And with the hundreds, I understand they're not equal to estates... does a hundred "contain" a single estate? or could it have a few manors and estate(s)?

4. Also... do estates contain manors inside them? For example, BotW says that the caput major of an estate can be a manor... but I thought a manor and estate were separate and distinct parcels...

I know I have a kinda mess, but I'm trying to learn. Sorry for all the questions and my english (I'm not a native speaker...)!! And thanks in advance.