Graeme P

To answer Errol's query re the founding of Pavis: 720 the God Learners came and built Feroda 780 God Learners built RobCradle 800 giants and nomads curshed RobCradle 830 Pavis and the Faceless Statue came and took over the orignal Pavis (now the Big Rubble) about 850 Pavis decreed that the city was constructed enough that the dwarves didn't have to help any more 860 Pavis retires permanently to his palace (which might be a euphemism for his apotheosis). All drawn from the Guide to Glorantha and Pavis: GtA.

On his website (in the part where he has a timeline of Prax scenarios) Soltakss has the first Proclamation in Sacred time 1620 and the second occurring in Sea Season after the Cradle scenario. Not sure what his source was though. No actual wedding though. Maybe the True Dragon ate the guest list?

Soltakss is right - there was a list which he did in 2006 of all the rune level folk. It is ordered via the supplement in which each individual appeared. I made a pdf copy for personal use. Soltakss - I'm happy to send you copy (after all it is your work). Happy to send a copy to Ian as well. Do I need you to approve this?

jajagappa recalls correctly - it is mostly stat blocks. There are a couple of pages of an index and intro / 'how to use' information, a few B&W illustrations and the inside front cover has silhouettes of various adversaries. But otherwise, it is as the title says - foes.

Perhaps where they landed is all part of the plan... kind of like leylines of magical power which flow from chunk to chunk. Of course there is a map deep in the Flintnail Temple showing where they all were planned to have landed. Small groups of Mostali surveyor teams still go out from time to time to obtain field data to compare to the plan (and occasionally move them to where they should have landed).

And it has gone Copper already. That was quick - and testament to the enthusiasm that folks have about this (me included). Has debuted at 6 on the list of top-sellers as well. Well done Ian.

I am keen to buy this as a POD - are you able to advise whether Phil's queries have been looked at / resolved? If there is to be a change I'd prefer to have the updated version (given it achieves Stasis once printed). Thanks for any illumination you can provide.

I thought that Flintnail masons were involved in building the Temple. Surely as they are strong in the Statis rune they are masters of non-slip marble!

I also started my Real City game adapting Scenes from a Market. I was much less ambitious than Joerg - I used it merely to introduce Real City and its key locations and to get across the sense that outside the walls of Real City is a dangerous place to be. As new members of the Real City Watch trying to make sure that hte market ran smoothly the players were very interested in each stall and who was running it. It led nicely into Rough Business from P:GtA. That intrduced Hagran's crew (or at least part of it) and gave them an understanding that the Pavis Royal Guard was not on the same page as Real City I have a mix of experienced players and a couple of 'new to Glorantha' folks as well. To make the game accessible, the theory was start with one location (Real City), then have them do a brief trip into the Rubble (so expanding the horizon) and in Rough Business introduce New Pavis, Badside and the nomads.

This seems logical to me - to a point. But if a City God then has a mythic act that occurred outside their city couldn't there be a (perhaps localised) place outside the city itself where worshippers have a connection to that god such that their rune magic would work? An obvious example for Pavis is when he went to the Paps and healed Waha. Each Pavis High Holy Day this is re-enacted in Pavis, but the actual action itself was outside the City. Pavis's actions have influenced the way that Waha and Eiritha perceive and treat with him and his cult - this action occurred at the Paps and so that location has a connection to him/his cult. The location where he animated the Faceless Statue as well, perhaps? I also think that a city God's magic extends some way from the city. The idea that when Pavis was attacked and/or beseiged over the years if any worshipper fought outside the walls they had no access to Rune magic but if they fought inside the walls they then had full access is (in my view) frankly ludicrous. If that were true Pavis would never have developed cavalry - why develop elite and well-equipped troops with valuable zebras knowing that their abilites are significanly impaired when they are carrying out their primary function? In RQG terms, do all initiates of Pavis in Pavis County and who can worship locally every week have to make a pilgrimage to Pavis to restore their Rune Points? Seems like a great time for the nomads (or worse) to raid their farms and towns whilst all the adults are away! Durng the generations when the Rubble was closed there would never have been any way for Pavis worshippers to get or replenish Rune Points if they had to go to Real City to do it - that also seems ridiculous to me,and probably would have had people turn to other gods such that Pavis worship would have been wiped out in Pavis County. It is not the case that a clan or town wyter can only act in it's own town - it has influence throughout the clan's lands. Why the restriction on city gods? Both have geographic limits on their power (which I agree with), shouldn't both work in similar ways insofar as their area of influence? Am quite interested in other folk's views on this. 🙂

If you are happy to go back to the 1610s then River of Cradles has a great advanture which is for beginning characters and introduces the PCs to Raus Fort, so it and then Borderlands would work well. In my view a campaign with Sandheart, Sun County and Shadows would be large enough on its own to not need to be intertwined with these. Those three also work better with characters from predominantly sun-worshipping and associated cults. If your group want to keep running their existing characters and so you are in the 1620s then it makes sense to have a new Argrath-friendly replacement to Raus. I imagine that the early adventures would require more work than the later ones, but who is to say that the new person in charge desn't have a headstrong daughter...? As a start, being an ally of Argrath would change the interaction with the nomads. Wherever the most fun is to be had is the direction to head towards.

Or it started to have noticable effects from 920 so they put on the request etc. as a political cover even though the work was done in secret beforehand. Were there factions against this and so the Arrowsmith dynasty went behind / around the Council? All just conjecture, but that is where stories and adventures come from.

The reference to Labrygon being invited by King Jhanas Kyree (Yanas Kyrem) is on page 11 of Pavis Rises (Mongoose, 2010) and page 34 of Pavis:GtA (2012). So it is some years after you did your original work. I note Greg is thanked in the credits to Pavis Rises, read into that what you will. I canot assist in illuminating why the change occurred though.

Runeblogger, Do you know who did these? I'd not come across the adversaries one - it is very good. I imagine that it is available for personal use. Would it be usable by someone looking to then use the generated stats in say a Jonstown Compendium product? Asking for a friend. 🙂

Ian, I have pdfs of various parts of this you gave to me back in the early 2000s when you lived in Melbourne. Please let me know if you want me to send them to you. I certainly have the Liberation and Wedding ones, and various other smaller ones (e.g. Kagrokka, and 87 page 'Man for all Seasons' one. Coincidentally I am running a game heading into these very adventures right now. Only took 20 years to get there!