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1 hour ago, Alexaco said:

My little grain of sand for the Spanish translation (may have some problems with Spain-Spanish/Latin-American-Spanish, tried to use the most neutral terms):

Very nice, and welcome to the forum!  Great name, too. 🙂

1 hour ago, Alexaco said:

English	Translation
[...]	[...]
Falx	?
[...]	[...]

Gonna go out on a limb and say that one's "falx", too!  But before I'm accused of doing nothing but recycle old and weak material, I'll note that Italian seems to have a actual (slightly) distinct term -- falce dacica.

Interesting question!  I guess it's less strictly necessary for Orlanthi heroquesters than we might once have thought, because we now have a pool of "customary" Tricksters, as well as the bonded, covert, and lynched categories.  Presumably still the best option, as it's according to the precedent of the myth, and so you know who's starting in that position of the depth chart.

31 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said:

Here's my attempt at German: [...]

Falx

Ist "Falx", jawohl!  This translation lark is easy... 🙂

31 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said:

Stone Bow

Is that the same thing as a "Balester"?  Or is this an actual bow made of actual stone?

31 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said:

Lanyard Dart

I'm seeing the term "Schweizer Pfeil" for that on a couple of iffy-looking pages, but I think they might be brute-force translations of the English Wikipedia page.  "Swiss arrow (also known as a Yorkshire arrow, Dutch arrow, Scotch arrow, or Gypsy arrow)."  Hello, Equality Commission?  I have five ethnic hate crimes in one noun phrase to report...

8 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said:

"Bouclier de carapace d'insecte, moyen" is far too long. The english is too long as well so I think I will change that to "Chitin Shield, Medium", and "Bouclier de chitine, moyen".

Arguably the "Insect" qualifier is largely redundant.  (He says, outraging turtle and "arthropod, misc" cultists everywhere.)

8 hours ago, PhilHibbs said:

Amentum

There's at least one in there that snuck through from me adding the Bestiary weapon stats without filling in the translation as well.Anyone that can help out translating that list French, German, Spanish, or Hungarian would be very much appreciated!

I was idly curious what an amentum might be, so on the basis of my google- and wikipedia-grade research, apparently the Catalan, German, Spanish, Italian and Swedish word for it is "amentum".  I similarly approve of your choice for the French translation.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greeks_Have_a_Word_For_It  You're very welcome. 🙂

7 hours ago, simonh said:

That's a truly terrible heuristic to apply in Glorantha. It's full to the gills with weird crap. You can't afford to go round making mortal enemies with everyone/thing that you don't recognise or understand.

You're right, and that doesn't sound like the Orlanthi at all.

*stabs source of heat, light, and cosmic order*

"Hey!  Why is it so cold, dark, and disorderly around here?!  It's an outrage, and isn't the sun-emperor-stabbing I voted for!!"

One way that Greg put it -- and I'm sure he said different and arguably inconsistent things before and since, Your Greg Will Vary -- was that the Orlanthi consider anything that don't understand to be Chaos.  Which is pretty much in line with Ian's take.  Now of course the Orlanthi do have myth-maps of many, many gillfuls of weird crap, whether they entirely like them or not.

11 hours ago, Godlearner said:

There is another issue, I would say, since the snake is attempting to flee, and does not curerntly wish to harm the player, the spell may not pick it up at all.

That seems an easier one, to the second string to the spell's bow, to wit that it: "detects and locates a specific individual on whom the caster concentrates".  So IMO if the PC is using it with the in manner of "WT[Underworld Location] has that [Interjected Gerund] Chaos Snake gone?!" it's clearly covered.  And presumably they would sensibly do so, if IYG a fleeing "enemy" isn't covered by the "intending to harm them" part.

1 minute ago, jongjom said:

Whipping boy: Mods get angsty when others start corrections threads.

Page 124

regeneration. TheyExtremely rare and expensive, they are

I defer to your judgement.  Especially as I've already embarrassed myself on this one with my fat-fingered multiposts.  (The submit button wasn't working, honestly!)  They can always move 'em over (while deleting my oopses, indeed).

44 minutes ago, Arcadiagt5 said:

Absent an official corrections thread: the Shields table on p89 contains a repeat of the armour table

Absent an official corrections thread, "be bold" and start one!  Be the mods' star pupil, or whipping boy, as the case may be. 🙂

30 minutes ago, tnli said:

It's been 2021-12-10 for many hours, where can I give you my money?

In and around here, I think!  https://www.chaosium.com/runequest-weapons-equipment-pdf/

Or used stuff bundles of used bills into an envelope and send to the Michigan mailing address, as you prefer. 🙂

57 minutes ago, Ian_W said:

Hauling this back to Chalana Arroy, the fact that CA cultists don't have a 'except for Chaos' exemption on 'Do not kill' shows that she accepts chaos as part of the world (cf 'probably Illuminated by Rashoran in God Time').

Or think of it as commission/omission bias.  Or the sort of random weird geas some cults have.  Yelmalions don't consider (let's say) right leg armour to be foul and evil, it's just that some of them have a magical and ritual obligation not to wear it.

Note that they do have an "exception for chaos" exception in their "if I magics it, you no kills it" rule.

59 minutes ago, Ian_W said:

Note bad Orlanthi would go 'Oh, the chaotic parts of the Lunar Empire, yes they deserve to be attacked, and must be. But there arent any Chaos Worshippers at *our* Seven Mothers temple, or *our* Eytries trade post that brings us gin and other good things from the Heartlands. They are okay - they arent Bad Lunars'.

Which particular type of bad Orlanthi?  They seem a little like unhappy families in Russian novels -- so many different kinds!

9 minutes ago, Ian_W said:

Any answer more sophisticated than that *is* Illuminated at best.

The first 'more sophisticated than that' answer would just be one that does some sort of case analysis of which lunar cults are involved.  Not all of them are associated with the Chaos rune, nor do they all require Illumination.

Of course simply pointing this out might indeed enrage a Stormbull to murderous fury, so if that's your acid test... 🙂

1 hour ago, PhilHibbs said:

Yes, it's kind of their job, not the GM's. Some do need help though.

Some need to be saved from themselves...  He types, in the middle of one of his own games...

That's a spectacularly lovely looking document.  (Well, the first 11 pages are, at least!)

8 minutes ago, Joerg said:

Heort was a shaman, a practitioner of quid-pro-quo on a personal level, eye-to-eye rather than looking upward. And I think he instilled quite a lot of that into his followers, alongside the "looking up" approach of Hantrafal. That may have been part of his trouble with Orlanth, and possibly why he died of the Lightning Bolt.

Sure.  What I don't get is how that factors out into Daka Fal practice, vs 'normal' god-compatible clan-ancestral rites (assuming they're still a thing), vs any other shamanic practices.  Granted there's a clear conceptual distinction from the Kolati tradition, but I'd guess there's scope for a degree of double-jobbing there too:  what's the shamans per clan norm, anyway?

35 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said:

And the important target of your worship isn’t (I imagine) Daka Fal per se, but your ancestors in general.

But ancestors-in-general may not be the Daka Fal cult specifically.  In particular the Sartarite 'clan ancestors' stuff -- I'm guessing likely not, but who knows.

35 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said:

A lot of these were presumably good Orlanth-worshipers or whatever - surely that matters more to you than whether Daka Fal holds a grudge?

Yeah, it seems to me like an odd way of looking at it.  Obviously the Gloranthan gods are pretty highly personfied and anthropomorphicised -- within the limits of the Compromise.  But looking at Daka Fal that way seems a little niche and idiosyncratic -- why are we expressing our resentment of the gods by emulating DF in much the manner as if he were a god?  But maybe that's a secondary presentational detail.  I can certainly blame the gods for the fact that I have to die, and DF/some form of ancestor worship is a viable vehicle for that.  So same difference, arguably.

I certainly think there's plenty of scope for "the gods have a lot to answer for", "I don't have any more truck with the gods than I have to" and "Sacrifice to the gods?  That's taking food out my children's mouths!" sentiment, among the Heortlings and otherwise.  Look at what Heort himself had to say on those topic, it was a mouthful.  Actually, no, a whole series of mouthfuls!  So that's certainly a possible form of ancestor worship right there -- the spirit cult/heroforming exercise of backtalking great-great-great-great-great-grandpappy (or thereabouts).

35 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said:

Even calling it ”the cult of Daka Fal” seems almost like God-Learnerism. Two different ancestor-worshipers probably wouldn’t think they belong to a unitary cult, especially not if the only ancestor they have in common as far as they know is Grandfather Mortal.

It's God-Learnerism either way, of course, whether of the RQ3 cut-and-dry schematic abstraction sort, or of the more 'tash-twirling "bwah-ha-ha-hah, let's dangerously experimentally equate these two entities and see what happens!" stuff.  Probably two different schools that wrote snarky peer reviews about each other, back in the day.  So whatever we say about this stuff, really, it's pot-on-kettle crime.  And Praxians and Orlanthi are quite a bit more related, genealogically and mythically, than the bare minimum "Runic Adam" connection.

11 minutes ago, Leingod said:

Even without the Ernalda thing, it's important to remember that Orlanth and Yelm made peace with each other at the end of the Lightbringers Quest, arguably the most important myth among the Heortlings and one they repeat every year. If "Orlanth" is willing to offer friendship and "Yelm" is willing to accept it, they're acting as their gods would just as well as if they were acting like ritual enemies or competitors.

Right.  As Gloranthan history and myth rather lavishly illustrate, all options are open, between "World Council" and "stabby-stabby-stabby".

4 hours ago, Bren said:

As long as they aren't in Prax, it's not so hard for the Praxian to keep the cursing to mutterings under their breath since the horse riding prohibition doesn't really apply to the rich, fat, grassy lands of strangers. "Just let him try and bring that finicky, water guzzling, grass eater to my country and see how well it does."

Well, I did say in terms that it's be muttered under their respective breaths.  Not (necessarily) bellowed at the top of their lungs during a lance charge. 🙂

4 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said:

It is a RuneQuest Rules resource, not Glorantha Lore.

There is of course a "fandom" site for the latter, if you can tolerate Wikia's cookie-force-feeding practices.  I don't think it aims to cover anything 'post-canonical'.

28 minutes ago, Ladygolem said:

That would make sense if the cult wasn't hostile to Waha's, which is also heavily shaman-focused.

Yeah, that one breaks down for me too.  That also seems like a case where we'd sensibly have to have an analysis by Praxian, Orlanthi, "other ancestor worship, misc" takes, whether or not they end up differing in actual attitude.  Not a new mystery though, already like that in CoT.

BTW, the subject line of the post isn't strictly consistent with the OP, or with these tables:  DF isn't the most "hated", he'd the most "hateful"!  Very few other cults are Hostile to DF, but DF certainly likes to dish Hostile out to others...

4 hours ago, Erol of Backford said:

For a moment of cognitive confusion, I thought this salt worker was riding an electric scooter.  Which would be quite the power move, in more ways than one...

41 minutes ago, jajagappa said:

But there could be tiny brine shrimp or the like in the waters of the Syphon and get deposited and as they dry turn the salt pink (same reason flamingos are pink). 

That conjures up a much more John Waters (the American, not the Irish one, for clarity!) image of Heortland than I'd had hitherto!  Which kinda works on a couple levels...

33 minutes ago, svensson said:

So it might have something to do with shamans generally and not Daka Fal specifically.

Probably a bit of both.  Daka Fal has a particular mythological and psychopompous role in connection with death, over and above what you'd see between Orlanthi and Kolati say, never mind with religions -- like the Grazer Yelm cult -- that explicitly mix the two.

In a lot of cases they'll be very compatible -- "of course you're allowed to worship our gods and our ancestors; you kinda have to in fact!" -- but whether this is in the form of this particular cult/tradition/format (often it won't require the full shamanic toolkit at all) is potentially a separate question.

19 minutes ago, Ladygolem said:

As usual, I am rendered a fool and a clown for not searching the forums before posting. Thanks!

Actually I searched the interwebz for the best summary, and the BRP forum won fair and square. 🙂  As is so often the case!

19 minutes ago, Ladygolem said:

I guess with this in mind it's not so much weird that they're so hostile, but rather that the justification for this isn't mentioned anywhere in Daka Fal's writeup in the rulebook. That seems like a pretty significant aspect of the cult to leave out when most players and GMs most likely won't have access to those older publications.

TBF it's a 300-word writeup, and I'm not sure the "gods vs spirits" stuff (misapplied worship strikes back!) merits squeezing out more directly applicable material.  Granted it does leave the CCC rather under-explained.  No doubt the upcoming Cults books will go lavishly into the detail and nuance of this!

30 minutes ago, Ladygolem said:

Looking through the cult compatibility table on p.311 of RQG, I noticed that Daka Fal's cult is marked as hostile to twelve different cults - far and away the most out of any of the cults listed. Even the Seven Mothers cult is only hostile to half as many! Daka Fal's cult is even hostile to Waha and Storm Bull, which you'd think would at least tolerate each other since they exist mostly within the same social groups. What gives? I don't see anything in their cult description that would explain this.

We got one, of sorts, in the hot-off-the-presses Cults of Prax:  "The cult dislikes gods in general [...]"  The Hostility-fest in the CCC starts in Cults of Terror, though, glossing it in part by that book's "new" (Holy early '80s revisionism, Batman!) system for joining multiple cults.  Evidently DF is pretty down on that in most cases, the exceptions mostly being the more "shaman-friendly" ones, logically enough to that extent.  That may or may not correspond to their interpersonal dealings when different cultists meet generally.

Personally I suspect Daka Fal has extremely diverse cultic attitudes, even within a particular cultural and religious context (the classic CoP Praxian DF, the Heortling Darhudan, etc) never mind between different such.  Especially as there's something of a tension here between DF as a specific mythological figure, and as a coathanger for Ancestor Worship generally, as was explicitly the case in the RQ3 nanocult.

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