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Is the Magic Book, with its 3 systems of magic, covered by the ORC licence. And what about Advanced Sorcery and the other BRP books? Or is only the new rules set covered?

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

Huh?

The trollkin illustrated above is wearing rose tinted glasses. And looking determined...

On 4/6/2023 at 11:53 AM, DrGoth said:

Rain is still a thing, but that might be parts of water that follow the path into the sky rejoining the water with a connection to the Heart of the Seas. The headwater being an important place where they come together.

Some rivers headwaters (eg Missouri in the US) begin at the confluence of lesser streams. This could be represented, as you suggest, as the place where the waters of Heler connect with the waters of the Sea.

On 2/24/2023 at 9:30 AM, Joerg said:

I posted this on Facebook, but I find this forum more suited to my kind of discussion:

Rivers in Glorantha have a headwater - the furthest place from their to which their inland crawl proceeded in Godtime - and a "source" beyond their estuaries, their connection to the Heart of the Seas.

 

Real world headwaters tend to be fairly arbitrary, fizzling out into tributary streams unless sourced at a spring.  Would Gloranthan rivers have a fixed, defined head such as a holy pool or be anchored in the Earth to give the appearance of a spring? In Glorantha you can summon River Horses to carry you to a rivers headwaters. So where would you be carries to?

I'm envisaging the upper reaches of the Skonthor and most of Trader as being fast flowing upland rivers. The use of magic and the involvement of the hero or spirit cult would give a good story.

I'm just not sure if that magic should be available as rune or spirit magic. There are good reasons for it being either, and I favour the spirit magic route because it is quite utilitarian.  You can imagine it as a survival magic during the godtime Flood or Darkness eras. But is it too powerful for spirit magic? Should it cost more MPs?

There is a section in the Red Book on devising Rune spells, but asides from a general duration limit no indication for spirit magic.

I'm messing around with the idea of the more traditional Orlanthi of the Nimistor Valley getting around using log boats (as depicted below). They would be used during Sea, Earth and Fire season for getting about up and down the rivers, such as the Trader and Skonthor. I imagine that most if not all river traffic would cease during Dark and Storm seasons. Down stream is fine, but to get back upstream, especially during high flows I envisage them using magical assistance and have devised the following magic (riffed off of Blood Over Gold):

Paddle Tirelessly
2 Points
Touch, Temporal, Passive
Allows the target to paddle without rest for a maximum CON/2 hours against a current equal to or less than STR km/hr. The magic ends when the target stops paddling. At the end they are fatigued and must rest for 20-Con hours.

I imagine the magic being available through a local hero or ancestor spirit cult that had some competitive relationship with the local rivers.

But the question is, should it be Rune or Spirit magic? It has a long duration, but very specific use and a cooldown penalty.

As spirit magic it could be used by or cast on individuals.

As rune magic possibly more a ritual cast on the crew of a boat, thus more community focused.

Thoughts?
 

The Unholy Trio are really the saviours of Glorantha. Watching the appearance of Kajabor, they realised the end was coming for this cycle of creation and all would be lost in the Stasis void. Seeing this they corrupted their own powers with Chaos to bring Wakboth into the world. Only Disorder joined with Chaos would be able to defeat the Godkiller. 

Wakboth and Krajbor meet. Krajbor is defeated and the forces of Chaos weakened. But Wakboth knows this is not enough. He goes looking for the only god he knows can stop him and after much destruction meets him. But the fight is close and knowing he will be needed in the future Wakboth impales himself with a piece of the Spike disappating Disorder and Chaos within Gata herself.

He waits, beyond worship, to be called when the Cosmos is on the brink of destruction again.

All Hail The Trinity and the One Saviour!

As an aside, how common are hero cults? Do most clans have a local hero or is it tribal or regional?

I notice that Renekots Hope has appeared on the Tarsh map. It no longer appears to be, as described, straddling the road to Satar. Its now tucked away on the edge of the Western Bush Range, but still perilously close to the Battle of Heroes. Where is the location of the battle? On the road to Bagnot or at the city walls?

Either way, Renekots Hope will struggle to negotiate with raiders, sorry i mean provisioners, from the two armies and the fallout from the battle. Their hard fought neutrality will be tested.

1 hour ago, Nick Brooke said:

Read King of Sartar p.19, David:

It's natural to assume that the Wolfrunners in Argrath's Free Army are Telmori, until you read about what Argrath did to the Telmori wolfmen, and how his murderous followers wore the skins of the werewolf folk afterwards. YGWV, of course, and if you want to whitewash Argrath this would be a great place to start!

From the Jeff article linked above:

"How much trouble are Telmori in when there are Storm Bulls around? I imagine they try to avoid each other whenever possible. But in close proximity, it is not good. For either group.

Pre-1627, They outnumber the Stormbull worshipers . Post-1627 they are outnumbered by the Stormbull worshipers. Wonder what happened that year."

In Sartar, there are more Telmori than there are Storm Bull cultists in all of Sartar. HOWEVER, Argrath is the head of a Storm Bull magical society and is supported by the more than 10,000 Storm Bull cultists of Prax. So he may change that calculation somewhat."

That pretty much spells it out. The Telmori tribe rebel, Argraths Storm Bull supporters say enough, Argrath is close to them and hates betrayal.  The Telmori are crushed and scattered.

17 hours ago, Jeff said:

She definitely comes back. Just takes a little while.

Wakboth 😬

1 hour ago, Shiningbrow said:

Well of course! That would simply be MGF 😆

Just trying to imagine what went on at the Trickster college in Slontos. I imagine that this was something to be experimented with. Pushing the limits of Hallucinate. No wonder it was destroyed...or was it? Are the survivors down there Hallucinating back the sea?

Edit: changed by Chaos, inhuman tentacled monstrosities trapped beneath the sea, reaching out into the dreams and minds of man. Oh. Different Chaosium product...

Just seen this on the Well from @Jeff

"So we see Yelmalio where Yelm does not or cannot rule. Yelmalio was present before the Dawn. As Kargzant, he defeated monsters and ensured the survival of the horse tribes. As Antirius, he defended Yelm’s legacy and heralded his return. And as Elmal, he brought Light to the Shadowlands. Now as Yelmalio, he is the God of the Sun Dome Temples, who make sure that Light has its strongholds even in the lands of the Air and Darkness."

I think this is a succinct summary of the present Canon. The light reaches even into the furthest reaches...

Could a trickster inadvertently or deliberately bring a Chaos entity into existence beyond the spell duration? If they were to Hallucinate something monstrous during the Orlanthi Summons of Evil ritual or near a chaotic landmark, e.g. Snakepipe Hollow, could Choas use it as a way into the Middle World?

1 hour ago, Joerg said:

Rivers that only trace their ancestry to Heler are those cut off from the Oceans, feeding inland basins. In Genertela that would be eastern Pent, feeding the Hot Lake. Otherwise, there are three famous rivers that did not crawl in from the Seas but jumped down from above, the Creek, the Stream, and the River. These rivers were part of the waters that invaded the heavens rather than the dry earth, siblings of Lorion and hence children of the Manthi, and as they re-awakened their tributaries by re-spawning their connection to the Heart of the Seas they became the (adoptive) parents of these rivers (mainly the lesser rivers of the Quivin Mountains). 

Most other rivers crawled into the land with their source from the surface oceans, primarily Togaro spawning Sshorg (the first river) and Hudaro (with Neliom parenting e.g. the Janube).

 

The Gorphing River at the border of Esrolia is a river goddess described as a blue skinned daughter of Heler. She flows to the Mirrorsea. The Gorphing and also the Volior, Noranior and Tigronior start high up towards the Mislari Mountains and flow to the Mournsea. The Mislari Mountains contain Storm Mountain, described as near Ditali lands, where Orlanth recieved homage from Heler in the God Time. Interestingly the Noranior and Tigronior are described as having superseded the Nimistor, possibly through God Time conflict?? It was at this time that Heler joined Orlanth and helped drive back the Water tribe. The Tigronior doglegs right at the coast and crawls across the land through a fen to get to the sea, almost reluctant to reach the ocean.

Could these rivers not have invaded from the heavens when Heler joined the Storm tribe to aid Orlanth?

How many rivers are offspring of Heler and possiblly aligned more to the storm tribe as opposed to water? I'm especially thinking about rivers in Maniria.

I wonder if, given the level of detail we will be getting, any extra regional flavour for say, Orlanth, will be given? Some ideas for how he is approached in Ralios by the henotheists or the Umathaelians in Pamalt, among others.

How do the degenerate Mraloti in Ramalia worship Zorak Zoran?

Lots of scope for widening the cults outside of Dragon Pass

Could it be the first Cults of Glorantha books release?

On 2/14/2023 at 1:58 PM, Brian Duguid said:

Page 76, regarding Koth, the son of Argan Argar who became the cult's spirit of reprisal:

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"He was slain by chaos, but his father traveled to Morbode (far to the north of Kethaela) and rescued his soul, then slew foul Braznofstel".

Given the hints towards Old Rindilli earlier, could the site of this battle be on or underneath the Blue Moon Plateau? Given the secretive nature of the Trolls there, this would explain the lack of general knowledge.

It all seems a bit speculative and non-canonical.  Given that this is THE Holy site of a troll God that humans can interact with. We have the Kitori people and the Torkani tribe in Sartar that have him as patron god. Yet no info on this important site. Is there anything in the pipeline @Jeff?

In the organisation section of the cult writeup in Cult Compendium it mentions:

The holiest place is Morbode, the site where Argan Argar destroyed Braznofstel, an important chaos demon.

I can find no further information on this in the Well or wiki. This seems like quite a black hole (pun intended) in the cult history. Is there any info out there?

1 hour ago, PhilHibbs said:

Normal enchantments do seem to expire on the binder's death, but I'm sure there's a way to prevent this from happening.

There is a lot of tension between this rule and Maximum Game Fun in the Q&A for Enchantment. So much so,  you wonder when it's ever applicable. Is the rule to prevent magic item proliferation? 

11 hours ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

 If I recall correctly the current project is to enchant a rock with enough capacity to bind Krampus into,  and they don't know for sure how many characteristics Krampus has.  I think they intend to bind him and then drop him into the sea.

 

I hope you find a way to remind them what happened the last time Krampus was bound. He wasn't very forgiving when released on the shamans death!

Could a user condition be: an individual chosen as worthy by the clan/ tribe/temple wyter. Once the current weilder dies the item, if retrieved, returns to the abode of the wyter and another worthy is selected. This could lead to some role-playing completion of tasks or a contest.

35 minutes ago, David Scott said:

Crafting magic is covered pretty much by (making) Masterwork items in W&E, and we've a good list of minor items in Common Enchantments to base new ones on.

Also in W&E

"The RuneQuest Gamemaster Sourcebook contains rules on the creation of further magical items and minor enchantments."

So there seems to be some more refinement when this volume appears.