jajagappa Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 One of Jeff's FB posts provided interesting discussion on the relationship of the Bad Rain to Orlanthi heroquesting: In the Lightbringers Quest, the Bad Rain is summoned by all the participants in order to transform the ceremony into a heroquest. The Bad Rain is the Shadow of Orlanth - the brooding, repressed darkness within Orlanth such as kinstrife, murder, and wanton destruction - and terrible consequences of Orlanth's deeds. Orlanth conquered the world, but in doing so he let Darkness and Chaos into the world. As the Greater Darkness approaches, Orlanth broods and the Bad Rain comes. In many stories this is linked with the emergence of trolls in the Middle World. When Harmast summoned the Bad Rains in 424, it was easy because "every rain we made was a Bad Rain then." Angorsk Ig, a son of the Only Old One, was summoned, along with the "red trolls, the ones that came with heat" (Zorak Zoran cultists). The Bad Rain and its monsters attack the ceremony, and it is not uncommon for participants to be killed. Harmast himself killed Angorsk Ig with the Manthi Flints by accident, out of desperation. When Kallyr began her Lightbringers Quest, she also summoned the Bad Rain, which made manifest all of her subconscious fears and guilt. Many were killed, but the Bad Rain was driven off, and the ritual became a heroquest. This recognition of the Shadow is key to the Orlanth cults heroquesting and a source of power. This approach was rejected by the Fire/Sky cults until the Red Goddess herself embraced her Shadow as part of her Goddess Quest. Which ironically means that in many ways the Lunar religion is closer to the Orlanthi than they are to the Fire/Sky cults they grew out of and still dominate. [It is] about voluntarily confronting your Shadow. Ragnaglar is another. The Bad Rain is Orlanth's Shadow. And differs depending on who is summoning it. It is perhaps more correct that Ragnaglar is Storm Bull's Shadow. Storm Bull and Ragnaglar are locked in conflict far more than Orlanth is. Jeff note: Urain is not a chaos deity. Jeff note: the Shadow is a Jungian concept. It represents the repressed unconscious of the person. All the things feared, resented, etc. As the Sun, Yelm cannot see his Shadow until he is extinguished and sent to the Underworld. Kallyr's guilts, failures, and fears were great as well and she found it easy to summon the Bad Rain. Her fears of what she was bringing into the world - Darkness, Disorder, and Chaos - were made manifest and needed to be beat off at great price. Two decades later Argrath barely had to twitch to summon the Bad Rain and his heroquest took him deeper than the Underworld. The Orlanthi often say that a hero is made out of their failures, guilt, and fears. Without those, there is nothing to overcome and thus no hero. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eff Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Of course, in none of this is there anything about accepting your shadow-self. Which is an interesting omission from the Orlanthi methods. But we can't all be Geds/Sparrowhawks, I suppose. 3 Quote "And I am pretty tired of all this fuss about rfevealign that many worshippers of a minor goddess might be lesbians." -Greg Stafford, April 11, 2007 "I just read an article in The Economist by a guy who was riding around with the Sartar rebels, I mean Taliban," -Greg Stafford, January 7th, 2010 Eight Arms and the Mask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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