theconfusingeel

https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/publishers/chaosium/cults-of-runequest-series/runequest-gods-of-glorantha-previews-2019/ The water cult list was expanded with the major gods that weren't there previously, so I guess those are fully confirmed now. Brastalos is listed twice thought edit:it was changed back

https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/gloranthan-documents/prosopaedia/deities/l/lorian/ Lorion is outright called the sky river titan, the same as engizi "Manthi and Natea have three children, two of whom rule over the two deep Oceans of the Surface World. Sshorg is the Prince of the Ocean of Terror, and he has many descendants of varying power who can command parts of the sea. " There are sea gods that rule over different seas and oceans. The geneaology also has sea gods descended from Banthe and Sshorg edit: looking at it again, the waters of the world section mentions oceans withc are their own thing. Still these waters are ruled by sea gods, who are probably worshipped in a way similar to land gods.

Aren't the land godess equivalents the sea gods themselves? Like the god of the Sshorg sea is Sshorg, Manthi is king of all sea creatures, not of some place. plus Lorian is Engizi and he's already included

It does seem like they're going to cover some gods mostly worshipped by mermen(like drospoly), so I think it's going to include merman perspectives too. Either way to reply to your other comment I don't know if going off the mythology god list is going to be that useful, because it's based of what gods were included in the water section of the gods of glorantha book, and now that it's a separate book I think they're going to add a lot more to it(seeing that most of the other cult books have around 15 cults, and this would have 7 in that state)

there's actually 13, triolina is mentioned twice cause I copy pasted that from the article. The first list is from a preview of the gods of glorantha book from back in 2019, and there Oslira was separate from Engizi. It's possible that they might restructure river cults into one section now but who knows. Also does sramak have a cult? he seems more import genealogically to me. Maybe we'll get a "merpak" to go along with it.

Annilla is part of the darkness book, plus it speciffically says Brastalos gets a writeup "With the exception of the Invisible God and Jotimam, we have write-ups of all of these cults coming out soon. Including Sea Gods, I have write-ups for Brastalos, Daliath, Drospoly, Murthdrya, Nelat, Tholaina, and Triolina." https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/greater-and-major-gods/

Going off the well of Daliath the water book includes 7 cults(Magasta,Oslira,Engizi,Choralinthor,Dormal,Triolina and Wachaza), these being from the time there was just one cult book for all the pantheons. The greater and major gods post says that all major gods are getting write ups and specifically includes the sea gods, naming Brastalos, Daliath, Drospoly, Murthdrya, Nelat, Tholaina, and Triolina. Now my question is, apart from these , what other gods could be included? I'm mostly curious because i don't think most of these cults have gotten write ups before and the water pantheon hasn't really been covered in detail.

Is Hon-eel worshiped in Vithela?

I remember that the blood sun cultists in Peloria were converts. The guide mentions this, including specifically a guy who teaches in the Lunar empire. edit: Is it possible that Octamo or the blood sun are verithurus(a)? Verithurus is directly related to sedenya, plus there's it's sometimes regarded as female and sometimes as male which Octamo also does(thought you could say with verithurusa it's a case of different cultures interpreting the same god in different ways than it being an actual trait they had)

Is the blood sun really Sedenya? I remember it has some cultists in the Lunar empire, so I can't imagine it's just a regional identification. Plus I assume both of these cults existed before the red moon rose

I was browsing the well of daliath and I found out that one of the vormaino gods, octamo, has a moon rune, whih caught me off guard because I thought only gods associated with Sedenya had it. Does anybody know more about him? Or at least does anybody have any good theories about him? also I hope I'm not posting too much on here,excuse me if I'm doing that

I allready know that stuff, but my question was about a specific manifestation(Arkat vs Nysalor). In a way I was asking about the opposite situation, time influencing myth, which apperantly can't happen without heroquesting

So what are lunar heroquests anyways? I remember reading somewhere that lunars tend to do new heroquests, but I don't really understand what that means. Plus are there non-godtime heroquests? Or is that just the mortal world type?

And what is the official story exactly?

If events in time don't translate to myth, In what way can you interact with these gods on heroquests? Is it that you can interact with the mythich reflection of them doing heroquests? Reading other sources apperantly if somebody has a hero soul you can meet them on the hero plane, and Arkat encountered himself. Edit:sorry if I'm asking a lot of question, I'm just curious about this stuff. It helps that I don't exactly know the limitations of heroquesting

so events in time don't have any reflection on the hero plane? also knda dissapointing on the Arkat-nysalor thing, Orlanth-Yelm isn't as cool 😥

NowI'm gionna start this thread with something kinda funny, I thought about asking this earlier today but the forum was down, and while I was waiting I read some things about Sheng seleris, and at some point i went on some forum and midway through reading some thread I realised it was this place so I was like"oh, this is BRP". Anyways, I wanted to ask if people can go on heroquests for lunar new gods? For example, is it possible to do a heroquest about something one of the seven mothers or Hon-eel did? I'm asking mostly because I don't know how heroquests about things that happened in time work(and as a additional thing that just popped into my mind right now, could I heroquest Arkat fighting Nysalor?)

I should have really used a term other than destruction 😅 I guess my idea was that chaos is a force that wants to turn glorantha into itself, and so it wants to destroy it.

It's funny you say that because I'm more of a lunar person too 😄I just have a diferent view on these things

I don't hnik this is going anywhere, but the last thing I think I'll say is that glorantha already changed out of chaos, it formed barriers out of primitive chaos-stuff. Chaotic forces destroying those barriers is really just a restoration of an earlier state. many things(glorantha)--->chaos--->one thing(primordial chaos) one thing(primordial chaos)--->gloranthan cosmic forces--->many things(glorantha)

Glorantha was made from chaos, but it was made to be different from it. Chaos doesn't mean to change glorantha, but turn it back into chaos, by breaking down distinctions between the various things in it(runes) and turning it into indistinct stuff, and then turning that into nothingness. Chaos isn't change, it's destruction. Umath didn't destroy anything, he made somthing new(air), chaos doesn't make new things as much as it destroys barriers between things. Undead creatures are the result of the difference between life and death being destroyed, not really something new.

I'm pretty sure the whole yelm-orlanth story is based on egyptean mythology, where set kill osiris and then allies with him to kill chaos. Chaos is explicitely different from gloranthan things, which includes air even in it's inception. Plus I don't think the concept of heat death(or many real life science things) apply to glorantha. Things happen due to myths in most cases Thought vithelans or pelorians might not consiider orlanth that different from a chaos diety, but they are different, chaos came from outside glorantha, umath was born from earth and sky.

I don't think that's a good way of looking at chaos in glorantha. You have to remember that the most basic form of chaos is void, nothingness, that is what chaos leads to. Plus, stasis is the oposite of movement, while chaos is the oposite of glorantha in general. Chaotic stasis is a thing that can exist(see Krasht)

are there illumination mechanics in the book? No spoilers if there are though please.

That's just what it's called in arcane lore.