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About Ali the Helering

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    Playing in '78, RQ since '80. Loads of stuff since
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    Religious anthropology nut.
  1. A Magical Economy

    The problem I perceive with that approach is that it seems quite mechanistic for a narrativist game. Rather than Rune Magic stats, whilst useful, I would rather use the HQ affinity as a guide.
  2. A Magical Economy

    Whereas I would be very reluctant not to extrapolate such effects! As Jon indicates and the demi-god septagenarian Greg stated, YGWV.
  3. I could really see a mass of priests dedicating their Darjiini prey to Shargash!
  4. Not too sure where you are getting your dating from. 43 (potential) and first century dates are anything from 0 to 56 years after the invasion. Well short of 80 to 150. Even the later ones I mentioned are before the normally accepted dates for the 'Middle Roman Empire'. Pre-Imperial Rome was even more extravagant than many barbarians, on occasion, with Decius Mus in 340 BCE devoting his soul, and the souls of the enemy army, to the infernal deities in return for victory. Not exactly the 'pep-talk' of a dour leader, but rather the profligate act of 'souls for the chthonic deities'. Another battle-field ritual was the Evocatio, by which you attempted to induce the patron god of the enemy to switch sides! The Boarium was a ritual dedicating the souls of the inhabitants of a besieged town to the infernal deities. These do, indeed, appear to be of the 'blood for the gods/demons' approach.
  5. Also interesting is that inscriptions in Britain differentiate between Syrian Cybele and Phrygian Cybele. The latter, although the 'original' cult, appears to have arrived later - during the middle Empire.
  6. Sorry, posted the above too early! To continue - for the Romans, especially in border provinces, Religion and the Military were closely interlinked. Quoting de la Bedoyere, "the vast bulk of all religious dedications and imagery from Roman Britain are associated with soldiers" (p137) The assumption that they did not undertake their own rites before battle is rash. That they are dismissive of barbarian excess is a matter of cultural snobbery, not an indication of secularity.
  7. Auxillia accompanied the Legions from the first invasion, in roughly equal numbers, and their deities came with them. Similarly there is strong evidence for colonial settlers from across much of the Empire. The temple flagon with the dedication 'Londinii, ad fanum Isidis' tells us there was a temple to Isis of Egypt in Londinium in the first century, not the middle Empire. Iranian Mithras was present in Verulamium (St Albans) in the later second century, Syrian Cybele and Ba'al at Corvoran around 165, and an amulet to YHWH indicates possible presence from as early as 43. Interestingly enough, Jupiter himself only becomes popular during the middle Empire!
  8. I have to seriously disagree with this. Just swiftly looking at the listings for deities in Roman Britain given in Guy de la Bedoyere's 'Gods With Thunderbolts', there were deities from Italy, Greece, Germany, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Phrygia, Phoenecia, Egypt, and, unsurprisingly, Britain. The Romans are in now way monolithic, and the tradition that they were cynical with respect to the divinities is not bourn out by the evidence. Particularly for the variant 'Emperor Cults' and the 'Spirits of the Unit Standard', I use them as the model for the amazing intermingling of religions that you find within the Lunar Empire.
  9. Pentan religion

    Absolutely agreed, providing we also appreciate that Greg blurred the boundaries himself.
  10. Pentan religion

    All in all, I think the problem is that humans try to organise things into systems, whether there is a system there or not. IRW shamanistic/animistic practises can be seen to work in a vast variety of different ways. Harner tried to organise everything into branches off his 'Core Shamanism', but that only went to show the limits of his imagination and understanding. Comparing Buryat Mongol practises with those of Surinam or Haitian Voudon, or even the 'Toronto Blessing', reveals a world of difference, not of close similarity. As for combination with ritual sorcery, one can find it the world over. (eg Evans Pritchard on the Azande) On Sunday I shall be leading theistic worship with elements of what might be identified as ritual magic, Eucharistic heroquesting, and even animistic appeal to the divine spirit. Resistance rolls, anyone?
  11. Silly people. It is a map in the Great Ocean of a Ringworld.
  12. Bits of Glorantha you ignore

    Returning to the original question, I tend to ignore anything that simplifies religion. I don't think it can be sufficiently complex and bewildering! Therefore I pick and choose those elements that enhance mystery and mystification.
  13. A Magical Economy

    I think this says something more about RQ2 than it does about Glorantha. While Jon may have missed the reference, many of us would not check such RQ2 books as we may still possess. The ubiquity of magic may be deemed to merely 'raise Glorantha to RW levels' with the implicit understanding of Glorantha as a post-Catastrophic if not Apocalyptic world, but I agree with Jon that locally prevalent magics must inevitably distort the local economy. One Barntari hero with access to the cult secret can produce a centre of agrarian wealth beyond other areas' dreams. One Maranite can produce fresh open-cast mines on a regular basis, immensely increasing ore production.
  14. Troll wind Lord.

    If they slip on and cover his feet nicely, does that make Orlanth's deeds a 'Trojan' effort?
  15. Troll wind Lord.

    oops, iskallor s/b soltakks