Rodney Dangerduck

1 hour ago, soltakss said:

I am looking at it from the viewpoint of the Nomad Gods game explicitly saying that Praxians routinely hire Broo

The better alternative is to place less faith in a 46 year old board game that predates RQ and contradicts key aspects of Glorantha "feel" and mythology that were developed for RQ, CoP, and RQG.

1 hour ago, Bren said:

That was my impression as well. The fact that spelling of the "name" has varied between Nameless and Naimless seems to support your interpretation.

There's a very very slight chance that Naimless was a take on "Naim", a male Arabic name which I Googled a minute go and which means peaceful, tranquil.  With a ...less suffix to mean "not".

2 hours ago, General Confusion said:

So if a Khan can make a temporary truce or alliance with foreigners who don't follow Waha's ways (and are thus by definition ritually unclean, inferior, not real people, etc.) then why couldn't he, similarly, make a temporary truce or alliance with a gang of broos?

Foreigners worship, say, Orlanth or Yelmalio.  Some weird foreign god who likes horses, icky, but, whatever...  I can easily see subtleties and compromises there.

Broo largely worship Malia or Thed, who are two thirds of the freaking Unholy Trio.   Big difference.

15 minutes ago, jajagappa said:

It's been a fact of life in Prax since Nomad Gods. And there are those willing to make a bargain with the Devil's kin... 

1. Gloranthan gods are totally real, worshippers know for an absolute fact that they are real, and know that they will be punished or rewarded for their actions.
2. Gloranthans (in this case, Praxians, who include lots of Storm Bulls) are pragmatic and will often ally with chaos.

Its difficult to accept both of these...  I conclude that #2 is false, one of many totally natural missteps made in the long and wonderful development of Glorantha.

7 hours ago, Darius West said:

Given that pretty much every Praxian major deity hates chaos passionately

I (and our RQ group) agree with you 99.9%.

Take it up with Jeff and others at Chaosium.

With our Eurmali PC, whenever he visits a new town or city I (the GM) call for a Eurmali Lore, or perhaps Devotion, to locate a shrine and ask about rune spells.

6 hours ago, Darius West said:

After all, even Praxians hired Broos to help them fight the Lunars at Moonbroth...  The politics of that slice of Gloranthan history is... fraught?

As I understand things, Praxian - Broo alliances happen frequently.  (This factoid shocked our old-timey Glorantha group, but I don't think we played much of the Praxian material)

Chaos isn't the ultimate evil.  Chaos serving your opponent is.

My strong belief is that most adults will gladly initiate for 1 POW, if only to get Heal Wound, since that pretty much covers catastrophic health care.  Maybe that's cause I'm American and feel the lack of that IRL. 

Not to mention D.I. and a better mystic connection to their clan and god.  They need not have 3 rune points or skills near 90% - the character creation rules are for PCs.

1 hour ago, Marek said:

In my own campaign, heroquests have been the primary vehicle for players to discover and acquire Draconic magic. And now that they have learned some they are in the process of setting up their own means of worship to replenish their abilities in the mundane world. Secretly, of course, given current attitudes towards this sort of thing.

I have always loved the idea of "dream" dragons and what that implies. Whilst running through The Dragon of Thunder Hills, the players came face to face with such a creature and it has become a much bigger part of the campaign than I expected. In one memorable session they entered the "dream" to find the "dreamer", effectively embarking on a heroquest that led them face to face with a creature beyond mortal comprehension.

- Merrick

We've played with "Draconic Stuff" in our RGQ campaign.  At least, some of the PCs.  (A couple of others are following an Arkati path).  A few of us have a decent (~20%) Speak Draconic, and my Vinga Wind Lady has a tiny Dream Dragon "Little Wing" <Insert Jimi Hendrix Guitar Riff Here> as her allied spirit.

However, without any real official material, so far we are punting / ignoring some of the questions, making stuff up, and eagerly awaiting upcoming material on Illumination and so forth.

@Nick Brooke Thanks for the reminder - guess I should get a copy of Company of the Dragon.  Or at least convince our other GM (we alternate GMs) to get a copy, since he'd be "running" that part for my PC and the other interested PC.

7 hours ago, soltakss said:

So, what would make you happy?

Shiningbrow has been very clear, at least as I read it, that he (?) wants Heroquest rules.

I agree with him that Chaosium is focusing on bringing in new players.  And I agree with Chaosium on that strategy.  It's slightly disappointing to us old timers, but it makes good sense.

So, the cult that actually emphasizes spear (Yelmalio) doesn't get True Spear, and the cult that emphasizes horses and archery does?

3 hours ago, radmonger said:

Catseye, Vision and Command Hawk would suit a horse-patrolling, cattle-guarding thane.

Give Catseye to Elmal and there is almost no reason at all for any PC to ever join Yelmalio.  I already doubt that many sane PCs would join the nerfed RQG Yelmalio cult compared to svensson's version of Elmal.

7 hours ago, svensson said:

Because of all that, you'll require horsemen to patrol the clan territories.

You can make the same argument for many cults.

"People get wounded, need crops blessed, and face oathbreakers in distant villages.  Therefore Chalana Arroy, Ernalda, and Babs Gor need horse (or mobility) magic...

That said, Elmal traditionally had horsey stuff for some reason, so it's reasonable to continue the tradition.

Not sure why the "Loyal Thane" needs to have horsiness, Fire, and archery, especially when Yelmalio has little or none of them.  Elmal should have loyal and Thaney things ..

The Lunar book.  Partly for cults for opponents or rivals, mainly for rules on becoming and being Illuminated.

5 hours ago, Nick Brooke said:

I’m a Lismelder, and I can authoritatively tell you that all Malani are assholes.

You would like my Colymari, who is always ranting about "those asshole Malani".

On 3/30/2023 at 9:12 AM, Richard S. said:

Gravity, for example, isn't an effect of masses pulling at each other, but instead the Earth trying to pull everything to itself out of love/greed/hunger/insertreasonhere (we haven't gotten a single universal gravity myth, but there was a local one in HQ1 to that effect).

Given that the Earth Rune is not noted as being greedy or hungry (that's Darkness), nor is there any gravity myth at all (at least, that I've heard of in 40+ years, tell me more of it if there is one, citing a source!) it's clear to me that the whole "No Physics in Glorantha" argument is baseless hogswallop.  Don't think I've ever used that word - feels good!

@Ian Cooper  Interestingly, our timeline will also include stealing the Red Cows. but from the Cinsina.

Your concept that because all the Telmori heirs are dead, it's not "kinstrife" so it's legal for Argrath to order the killing of the other Telmori and wipeout an entire Tribe of Sartar, is very, well, cynical and somehow very Argrathy!

BTW, I haven't played 11L, who is it that kills off the Telmori heirs?  My inner cynic / conspiracy theorist thinks some of it is Argrath or his cronies.  🙂

2 hours ago, Enthar said:

Thank you for the guidance, that cleared it up for me as well!  Some add on questions:

Can you use Skills at the end of that 30 minutes of Ritual practice to further Augment your odds, if required?  For example, the cover of the RBM (one of the most beautiful pieces of art I've seen by the way!) has her dancing, would you be able to Ritual Practice for x time, then use Sing/Dance/Speak Spiritspeech for 2 melee rounds before casting the Summon/Command combo without losing the benefit of the Ritual Practice?

What Rune(s) would be permissible to invoke to help here?  Moon only, or would the elementals Rune work, or only Spirit Rune (which typically isn't something we have access to).   

 

Thank you!

The rules are vague here.  We ruled that one could also Sing / Dance etc. for 2 rounds.  And you can always try a rune: Moon should work.  Most GMs might allow others.

Normally, one cannot do both Sing AND a Rune.  Only one augment.  Occasional GMs might be liberal and allow both.

(Added clarification)
TL;DR 

1. One can do ritual preparation of some length the GM must limit, and then take a "couple" of rounds, again determined by the GM, to augment with Sing or Dance. 
2. One can do ritual preparation of some length the GM must limit, and then invoke an "appropriate" Rune or Passion to augment via Inspiration.  Moon works, as might others at the GM's determination.
3. One cannot combine the augments from Sing and a Rune.  Unless the GM agrees that this is a truly special place to go beyond the rules.

RQG has a lot of vague rules where you need a good, or at least a consistent, GM to rule.  I think this is deliberate design decision, and many consider this flexibility a good thing.

For the record, I came up with the reason for our version of Glorantha.  Argrath believes that the Telmori hold a key part of the Regalia of Sartar: the Jewel of Sartar.  Without it, he cannot light the Flame of Sartar and become Prince and do all his heroic stuff to come.  The Telmori rejected attempts by his inept diplomats to acquire it peacefully, and now war is coming. 

Our recent RQG campaign summary:

http://gloranthagame.pbworks.com/w/page/152480676/Storm Season 1627 Session 2

Now going way way OT.  Our RQG group completely dropped all these 10% tithes, because they were so open to these tax avoidance schemes.  A PC is carrying 1000s of lunars in armor, weapons, gems and magic, but only 47L cash.  Classic Murder Hobo crap.

Especially since one of our players is a business lawyer IRL, it just seemed extremely MINIMUM GAME FUN.

We also do little training for similar reasons.  Boring and often munchkinnery.

28 minutes ago, Nick Brooke said:

Why boast of previous duels, when you can boast while duelling?

Our last RQG session there was a fleeting reference to a six fingered Telmori who killed one of our PC's parents.  🙂

13 minutes ago, jajagappa said:

They certainly are not the same deities, but from an Orlanthi mythic perspective, both can be viewed as "Bad Dogs". 

The best reason to distrust Orlanthi is that they don't like dogs.  Reveals their inner character better than any myth.

Sever Spirit is banned.  At least, it was in the Herowars era publications.  A good call.

As a bit of a followup to my own question, I could really see this becoming like chess openings.  A bunch of Humakti are sparring at temple, and boasting of their previous duels:

"Of course, I opened with the Ruy Lopez, best by test!  Alain countered with the Deferred Steinitz defense (each of these meaning some combination and order of rune spells and spirit magic named after a previous Humakt Hero).  My Ally launched the Duras variation".

36 minutes ago, radmonger said:

Also, being a travelling Issaries trader wouldn't be realistically possible if they involuntarily transformed.

That would be a wonderful PC concept!