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12 hours ago, Jape_Vicho said:

 but the end was a great tragedy for all, even if it was technically one of the "better endings", which was at what I was aiming for after all.

But what were your players aiming for? Feels like bit of a railroad. 

21 minutes ago, French Desperate WindChild said:

I m like @Jose. I don't know if it is for the same reason but, for me, there is a big difference : JC production may not be aligned with the existing and next productions of chaosium. There are house rules, there are house settings, etc... This house stuff may be good, very good, excellent, but it may diverge from the "sacred books". There is no "validation".

When I buy some chaosium stuff, I expect it is aligned with all chaosium stuff. When I buy JC stuff, I hope to know what is aligned, what is not, and be able to decide when I diverge my own glorantha

Hell will freeze over before almost all of the stuff produced by the JC gets an official yay or nay by Chaosium doing competition. In fact I should imagine unless they are central places, characters, what have you, Chaosium will avoid contradicting the JC stuff, cause unless it is very bad it will have done Chaosium's work for it. 

In the end, I think its a pretty poor policy you are sticking to, and if you had it in the past you would have lost out on all the Reaching Moon stuff and all the Drastic stuff too. But your loss. 🙂

On 6/14/2022 at 7:16 AM, Jason Farrell said:

 Cults are central to Runequest and it's kind of amazing that there has been no real cults book so far for this edition.  It's as important as having a bestiary or a magic book, in my opinion.  I appreciate that once it's released it'll be such a comprehensive work, but I can't help but feel like it should have been a higher priority. 

There have been cults available, I doubt the cults in Cog will be that different to the long form cults in CoP, CoT, the fairly easy to get cults in White Wolf,  the various bits in other RQ products and Zola Fel in Pavis and what have you. Oh, and let's not forget Ernalda in the RQ3 box. 

The short form cults in the rulebook aren't bad either and there is more info I think in various scenario books? 

So to say there is no cult info is a little disingenuous. 

I think that they have been working on Cog pretty much since the publication of RQ:G If not before so I'm not sure how it could have had higher priority? 

I don't know why they aren't doing the Pdf before the book, but to be honest I don't care. There is more than enough culty stuff out there already. And if you are playing in Sartar [yawn] then Orlanth does everything you need, cept wipe your arse for you and you never know, tip him the wink and he might do that as well, or at least get Elmal to do it. 

On 6/12/2022 at 9:44 AM, Jose said:

 JC is nice but is not Chaosium.

Best regards. 

I never understand what people mean by that. Some of the people [many] are the same people that produced all the recent Chaosium products. 

Is it the name that impresses you? 

If it is then all of the JC stuff has 'licenced by Chaosium', if it's not who exactly is it, that so impresses? 

Cause I'm buggered if I know. 

On 6/4/2022 at 10:15 AM, Darius West said:

Death is a direction in Glorantha.  Under the correct conditions you can walk back from Death to Life.  It is likely that before the discovery of the Death Rune, it was far easier to return from Death, which was likely merely an extreme expression of the Underworld (before time).  In some ways gods are eternal, but in others they are simply trapped in their addiction to power.

They are only trapped in the net since the Great Compromise, before that they could do what they wanted and they did, that's how Glorantha got F'ed in the A.

On 6/4/2022 at 3:45 PM, Eff said:

I run Glorantha very weird by conventional fantasy standards and still fairly weird by my own. So there's Blue Moon hoverboats as a secret project, there's heroes jumping hundreds of feet in naval battles, there's lots of visible and immanent magic, people's tattoos glow, the gods regularly speak through their worshipers to have a chat with PCs, wyters and city-gods are a kind of genius loci able to influence the physical environment. It's fairly tilted towards an animistic view of reality despite having very few explicit shamans as prominent characters- things are mostly alive and mostly have personhood, and the struggles are often to successfully empathize with them or evoke empathy from them and achieve communication.

I think the best way to put it is that I'm inspired by how the novel Dream of the Red Chamber opens with a cosmic backdrop for its intimate story of family life and personal relationships. So my Glorantha runs in a kind of high-drama mode where the relationships between people are mirrors of the cosmos, and building these relationships shapes the universe. It's also very puckish and lighthearted, and exceptionally queer.

That's not really weird, that's pretty standard fantasy fare. At least the first couple of phrases.
So are your chairs working towards personhood, what about gold leaf? That would be weird but not that interesting.

5/10 weirdness.

On 6/2/2022 at 12:13 AM, Qizilbashwoman said:

Yelmalio was first revealed by Nysalor at the Battle of Night and Day

I'm not sure what difference that makes. Was everyone there suddenly illuminated? I assume you don't mean 'lit up'?

And as JRE has said it was Daysenerus that was revealed, and he didn't illuminate [I mean philosophically] the other army to death.

Lots of things fought alongside Nysalor, interacted with him, lived in his realm. It doesn't automatically make them illuminated, anymore that fighting alongside a troll makes you eat babies.

16 hours ago, soltakss said:

Lodril is the Sky Spear. 

He is the son of Aether Primolt.

In both these aspects, Lodril is a Fire-Sky deity.

Yelm is a god of the Underworld, the same as Lodril, but Yelm is considered a Sky Deity, so why isn't Lodril?

When the Three Brothers took on their realms, Yelm was originally given the Underworld and Surface World, but he didn't like it, so swapped with Lodril. That is when the Sky deities divided the world between themselves. Lodril brought the Sky back to the earth.

 

 Does he have the Sky rune? Is he in the sky?

He may be a member of the Sky Pantheon, but He is no longer a Sky deity. If it doesn't walk like a duck and doesn't Quack like a duck, its not a duck.

Yelm split into several deities before he went to hell, Bijiif [he's the one that went to hell] I would say no longer is a Sky God.

I can't remember where the dividing of the realm is, can you remind me, please?

16 hours ago, soltakss said:

Molanni is a Storm Goddess.

She is not Brastalos.

 

If you read my post properly, you will notice I never said they were.

Bollocks.

I know you know the word. It was a word play on the word, 'bollocks'.

7 hours ago, scott-martin said:

Some esoteric Gloranthan thinkers probably see time as the long process of recovering every lost god from the brink of oblivion. 

For the love of Go...Something not a deity, NO!

If that were to happen, I think the whole dumb God's War cycle would start again, and this time there would be No Ginna Jar to save us.

5 hours ago, svensson said:

What the Lightbringers did WAS a Heroquest... in fact, they trod the first path of Heroquesting. They changed the world by creating a new myth by spiritual and physical means... that's a Heroquest no matter who the performers are.

Orlanth was the King of STORM Gods. He had no power or authority over the Sun/Sky Gods, the Dark Goddesses, or the Sea Gods, and damned little over the Earth Goddesses, save only that which Ernalda chose to give him. It was Ernalda that convinced Orlanth that he'd made a mistake in killing Yelm, the Sun Emperor, and informed him that the Earth needed both Rain and Sun to be bountiful. Thus, Orlanth DID Heroquest to free Yelm from Hell, albeit at the behest of his wife and the need of his people. And this was when Orlanth learned to take responsibility for his mistakes as well as his successes.

The LBJ (Lyndon B Johnson) is an Orlanthi Myth. Sun Worshippers everywhere would say, 'Quest? What Quest?' or 'Rebellus Terminus and the other Rebels were drawn to Yelm by his command of Divine Justice* and made to atone for their sins, and so the world began to return to rightness, with Yelm leading the return to the surface worldm proceeded by his heralds and harbingers.

Yelm is the god of justice.

On 5/26/2022 at 10:50 AM, Darius West said:

Grrr...!

Why does everyone want to destroy Light deity diversity?  Damn your eyes Monrogh and your hegemonizing swarm mentality! This is pure Godlearner Syncretism ! Kargzant and Elmal are NOT Yelmalio.  I mean what about their associated cults and subcults?  Does Yelmalio get the Thunder Brothers because he is also Elmal?  Does Kargzant get the Thunder Brothers because he is also Elmal?  Does Kargzant get Orlanth?  These deities are simply not the same person, and this idea of an over-arching Yelmalio is Godlearnerism.

Elmal's dead baby, Elmal's dead.

Why is there only one Light deity? Because someone up there loves Structuralism?

3 hours ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

Lodril is literally a Sky/Fire god, he's just "ethnic" now because the Fire Nation has a strict ascetic hierarchy. The Lowfires are present in Orlanthi and Praxian cults but they are still fire/sky gods, just really low-ranking ones who were 'exiled'. And Yelmalio is not a Sky loyalist, but an independent party tied to Illumination, but still is a Sky/Fire deity.

If you want to talk about panthea that's not the same thing as divine identity. Besides, Lodril is a bad example because he's literally a member of the traditional Sky pantheon (like Molanni and Dendara).

Heler/a is still a Water deity even if they're Orlanthi/"Earth Tribe". Yelmalio was Sky pantheon and now is in some intermediate space leaning Sky/Moon. And Prax was an Earth pantheon that's turned into something entirely different.

Also, "Storm" and "Air" are the same; just because she's tame/loyalist doesn't unmake her identity. "Air" is the space made between Sky and Earth by Storm.

I 100% don't understand these distinctions.

No he isn't a sky god, he isn't even in the Sky anymore! His official Rune is Heat, which dates back to Cults of Terror more than forty years ago. He maybe a Fire God, but he's no longer a Sky god, he gave that up when he decided to stay on the Earth. This is all detailed in GRoY and elsewhere.

They are called the LOWfires for a reason, i.e. they are no longer part of the Sky.

Yelmalio isn't tied to illumination any more than Orlanth is.
I suggest we avoid the Elmal/Kargzant/Yelmalio/Antirius et al discussion, for both our own sanities.

I am certainly not talking about Pantheons.

1 hour ago, JRE said:

Thinking in runes, Storm and Air are the same. Mastery over air includes mastery over storms, even if you mostly just tone them down. Choice is not a word we should use with Gloranthan deities, but I would say Entekos has the potential to create storms, not only to tame them, even if it is not her role in Peloria / Pelanda. Activating that potential would be a great undertaking the first time, but it would become easier as you create a stormy role for her.

It should be in the dumb section, but I just had a vision that that is what the Reaching Storm is. Entekos the Stormbringer. 

Molanni has the Air Rune. But is she a storm god? Is she Brastalos*!

I separate out Storm and Air, one is not the other, just like Heat is not Light.
There really should be a way of differentiating the two.

*I'm sure you understand my word substitution, but if not, it sounds very much like 'bullocks'.

On 5/14/2022 at 5:21 PM, Qizilbashwoman said:

I don't know what this is referring to with regard to my post

"A quick reality check that the Lunar Empire has ruled for over four hundred years, so we should never forget the Lunars"
So the part of my reply about the Welsh et al was in reference to this.

She's not a Storm god for the Dara Happans, and is very much an Air God, in a similar way to Lodril not being a Sky God any more.
 

On 5/11/2022 at 8:34 PM, Kloster said:

Just use RQ3's combat rules and all your problems are solved ... if your players decide to read the rules and to use them. You will then have pushes, close in, attack to disarm or to destroy weapon or shield, knockback (intentional or not), moves interweaved with attacks to attack from side or back, etc.

I like them, but I wouldn't say, 'solved'.

So, When the Great Compromise is enacted and (all) the dead follow the Sun back to the surface world, why do some Gods stay dead?
Thinking of Baroshi from Snake Pipe Hollow, yet many others come back (Ernalda)?

This Is (this) separate from annihilation from Chaos?

Terribly sad to hear. RQ needs and deserves to be in other languages.
This needs to rectified, have you thought of getting a group together and putting in a bid for the rights yourself?

Then Gofundme or Kickstarter et al.

On 1/27/2022 at 7:02 AM, Qizilbashwoman said:

She's Umath's eldest child, she's not a sweet breeze, but a storm goddess. Her feast day with Dendara brings storms and much-needed rain to Dara Happa - a role that suggests that Entekos, called "Addi" in Western Peloria, which refers to a phallic stick in the Entekosiad, was the female husband of Dendara, much as Orlanth is the Earth's husband elsewhere, but has been minimised to nothing under the Yelm and subsequent Lunar cults. (A quick reality check that the Lunar Empire has ruled for over four hundred years, so we should never forget the Lunars.)

Nice summation of the Orlanthi view of her, I'm not looking at her from that angle. She's born before that deity of violence or at the same time. The 'Addi' is both a digging stick and a spear/javelin, so if it's a dildo it does a lot of rooting around too. Dara Happa doesn't need storms to have rain, nor is that how she's described before being tricked by [a] Hare. She's a nice counterpoint to the overwhelmingly macho air gods and while she's part of Yelm's Empire, she plays an important part in shielding mortals from his pure gaze. At least IMGlorantha.
I can't see any mention of her birth from Umath, though she is 'Mother of Moons'.

Lots of people rule over others for hundreds of years and are still seen as interlopers by many who are 'subsumed', ask the Welsh, the Ukrainians or the Basques or, well, you get the idea.

1 hour ago, HreshtIronBorne said:

You could steal and adapt the rules from stormbringer. If you are a weapon master you can riposte after a successful parry. You could make it more or less powerful by requiring a Special or Critical, or use it to replace the Over 100 Rule and if you "Outclass" your opponent instead of negating their skill you get ripostes or other special maneuvers, making combat awesome and cinematic. 

The rules for over 100% are, to put it mildly, 'Rubbish'. For something so difficult obtain, they really are boring and unexceptional.

On 5/4/2022 at 5:37 PM, Rick Meints said:

And to think that no one has commented on what is lurking at the right edge of the photo...

The Thin Blue Line?

On 4/29/2022 at 6:15 AM, Jose said:

Just a request🙂 . Please Jeff, can you speed up the cults book? so we can explore other mythologies beyond the "why elmal is better than Yelmalio", "Yelmalio sucks as a war god" or " I don't like other gods rune magic because sucks except for yelm, Orlanth and ernalda" thing. I mean, I think many of us would like to go deeper. 

There's bucket loads if you want to 'go deeper' [into what?], 'The Stafford Library' for starters, should keep you occupied for decades. But if you want to play flavour of the week, the Cults books should keep you busy I suppose.

It's easy to see why Elmal is streets ahead of Yelmalio, you get Fire Blade and Arrow nether of which require you possibly never to wear armour for some minor gift on a dice roll. Not sure why it's a debate, oh, now I remember, some people think players need a crutch to role play. :s

On 4/8/2022 at 8:32 AM, Soccercalle said:

But that would have given us three years to play with long versions of the Lightbringers and other of the most important PC cults in the Air and Earth Pantheons.

If you have been playing that long, you will already have most of the Lightbringers in longform [I don't think they are going to be radically different [different probably]], the ones in CoP are still playable and there is a longform Ernalda about too, so I'm really not sure what you are worried about. The other Wind and Earth Orlanthi gods are small fry compared.

On 3/28/2022 at 4:51 PM, Joerg said:

 

According to the Monomyth, all beasts come from the twin dragons Hykim and Mikyh, and thus are manifestations of draconic devolution or development. Thus there will be draconic features in every beast that has bones, starting with fish, and only the creatures of Darkness without endoskeleton deviate from that.

 

I thought there were lots of exceptions, creatures created by a particular deity?

On 6/8/2020 at 4:09 AM, EricW said:

The people being attacked would probably get a warning from their god before they blew all their magic points, and set a nasty trap, with everyone all pumped up with magic, vengeance and fury. High holy days direct communication with the deity is easier.

You know they can't see the future, right? Gods are very limited in what they can do, that's why they uses their pawns to do it.