The Westfaring: A Map, and Some Notions

[jeffjerwin]

18 minutes ago, Yelm's Light said:

When it comes down to it, all races were 'made' at their beginnings by gods.  But we're talking about the genesis of gods here, a somewhat different proposition.

Yes.

I find it instructive - if "wrong" - to examine Gloranthan deities and peoples from a Terrestrial anthropological and historical perspective. I do think that in some cases deities gelled during the Silver and Dawn Ages from complementary gods (particularly suspicious are gods with a plethora of names - Chalana Arroy, Lhankor Mhy, Indlas Somer, etc) or even were "healed" from being damaged by Chaos - a "lawful" complement to Thanatar, if you will - by merging with other "dead" gods.So they may have multiple origins, multiple contradictory histories, and personality conflicts - depending on geography, local mythology, and what the devotee brings to the rite and story.

[Joerg]

2 hours ago, Yelm's Light said:

When it comes down to it, all races were 'made' at their beginnings by gods.  But we're talking about the genesis of gods here, a somewhat different proposition.

As a rule, the Storm Age (starting Late Golden Age) human races are descendants of the gods rather than made races (think Praxians, Orlanthi, Veldang). Durev (who was carved out of wood by his father, Orstan the Elder, a native of Dini) is an exception to this rule. His wife Orane is presumably an entity similar to Sorana Tor.

The Malkioni are born to the Erasanchula and their goddess mates, too.

Maybe the gods were lesser in that era, maybe the new humans were rather demigods - while mortal, they still were quite powerful.

 

I am not quite sure whether Arroin (who doesn't grant any magics) is a demigod receiving worship as a subcult, or whether he is just a godling. And what really is the difference?

(There is of course Arroin's identification with Eron, the Aldryami spirit of the Good Waters, and ancestor of the Murthoi with Murthdrya, much like Halamalao is the ancestor of the Fire Elves/White Elves on top of the Spike. If Shannon Applecline's writings to that effect have drawn upon canonical unpublished info, or are considered canonized...)

[jajagappa]

On ‎12‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 8:50 AM, Joerg said:

Chalana Arroy came from the Celestial Palace on top of the Spike

Especially given the similarity of naming between Harana Ilor and Chalana Arroy, the original and current bearers of the Harmony Rune.  It's quite possible that there's a linkage made between the Harmonious Goddess of the Spike and a White Lady from the far north.

[jajagappa]

On ‎12‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 11:53 AM, jeffjerwin said:

Indlas Somer

As a non-canonical, "gateway" figure, I wouldn't include here.  

[jeffjerwin]

1 hour ago, jajagappa said:

As a non-canonical, "gateway" figure, I wouldn't include here.  

Yes, I was making a small joke.

[jeffjerwin]

1 hour ago, jajagappa said:

Especially given the similarity of naming between Harana Ilor and Chalana Arroy, the original and current bearers of the Harmony Rune.  It's quite possible that there's a linkage made between the Harmonious Goddess of the Spike and a White Lady from the far north.

Especially given that L and R are similar sounds that aren't differentiated in some of our RW languages. It's almost like it's the same name as pronounced by different peoples...

 

What does it mean that "Howling Void" - a Predark demon was fashioned into Harana Ilor ("the first harp") after it was slain by Umath. [King of Sartar, p.51] ...? Wow, that's weird.

Harana Ilor is also the mother of Issaries by Larnste, which makes Issaries Orlanth's uncle.