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    House Rules

    Well, if you want to ar-roll with that...
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    Ral-zak-ark?

    Maybe related to the Kazk- element in in Kazkurtum; I suspect that phoneme means 'empty/void/entropy' in Dara Happan. J, Z, Y, and I are are related sounds.
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    Whatever Happened to the Cradle Baby?

    Before people had beasts for riding or carrying things, the people with the longest stride and who could carry the most things would all have been Giants...
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    Ral-zak-ark?

    And there's Atarks, the part of Rashoran(a) who was castrated. Also called Extark and Goakstart... More: The Goakstart is said to have slain the Overseer of the Red Camp, Venarthurd, and turned him into a mountain. This 'Red Camp' was due west of Yuthuppa, and is clearly the Red City, Karantes, whose ruler was sacrificed by Natha at Mount Jernotius, which is obviously the mountain. Thus the Goakstart is closely connected to the Naverian myth-cycle, but from a masculine perspective. She represents all that is terrifying to the patriarch.
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    Pirates in Umathela

    It sounds a lot like the mer-people are the pirates (or at least the marine extortion racket) here. They may have 'associates' who sell off the stuff they don't want when someone doesn't pay the fee or gets on their nerves...
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    Whatever Happened to the Cradle Baby?

    I know you're being jocular, but there's no reason to think Hemgall's poison was a chaotic thing, at least as we understand it now. The Earth is a body; the Earth goddess is both the shape and space of the ground and a Green Woman. Genert is like Adam Kadmon: the vast and perfect body of clay. Giants are material: dragons are mystical. Both are kinds of being in the world.
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    Whatever Happened to the Cradle Baby?

    There are other avatars of Genert in the Universe. Jernotius/-ia, for example. One, of course could be the little brother of the other - in the way that giants are named in folklore with alliterative names. This is what Sandy Peterson wrote in 1994: "Gonn Orta = Genert While Gonn Orta is obviously _not_ Genert himself (for one thing, if Gonn Orta is Genert, who's the giant corpse in the middle of the Krjalki Bog?), I concur with the likelihood of his being a Fragment of Genert. Maybe he's Genert's conscience or something. The similarities of names _can't_ be coincidence, knowing how Greg's mind works." http://glorantha.temppeli.org/digest/ndaily/1994.06/4418.html
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    Whatever Happened to the Cradle Baby?

    Keep in mind that 'giants' are 'mythic humans' - King Arthur is a giant in some Welsh folktales. 'People were bigger in those days'. Second Son became a giant. They aren't just Disorder, but also embody (literally) the Man rune; the towering people that we see when are small. The Youf wanted to transpose the Man rune with the Dragon rune. The Youf master plan involved the transformation of all of dead Genert. Maybe he / his soul fragments / had a problem with that. Argrath was Dragonfriend and Giantfriend, but he also embodied contradictions.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    In 1449 Sheng Seleris invaded the Moon and he ruled much of Peloria until the Battle of Kitor in 1460. My current campaign is set between these events. (My Gavrening game is on hiatus) It's more or less a Wuxia game. I'm looking for thoughts about the period. His brother is said to have attempted the Ten Tests (Fortunate Succession). It seems that Kazkurtum is used instead of whatever divine name AgartuSay or his Brother (?) chose. Any information on this and the nature of the Celestial Empire - how it supplanted the Lunar Empire for instance - would be appreciated. Also, I'm reconstructing the cult of Verithurusa for my daughter's character. Any help would be appreciated.
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    Whatever Happened to the Cradle Baby?

    Gonn Orta = GenErt(a)??
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    Chaotic Feature, Chaos Rune

    Or you could just get Illuminated or Sevened so it isn't quite so unnerving for you. Less work, and the Red Goddess doesn't judge, after all. If its an obvious feature it's sometimes, I suppose, worth seeking a solution for it...
  12. My brother played a Lhankor Mhy priest with a 17 STR. I think that's kind of neat. I understand where you're coming from, though: random rolls mean you'll end up playing something you don't want to. We used to roll up something like 5 sets of stats and pick the best one. Sometimes we'd re-roll the lowest stat.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    As an aside I was re-reading the Perlesvaus for my KAP work and noted the use of the name "Widow's Son" for Perceval himself. There's some disagreement about Perceval's relationship to the Maimed King - sometimes, as in the Livre d'Artus, that Maimed King is his own father, Pellinor, who has been demoted from the status of father because of his 'living death' (subsisting like the Graal king/Roi Pescheur on the graal's 'food') and castration. Perceval's achievement of the Graal of course kills the Maimed and Graal Kings, or subsumes them into himself. In the Perlesvaus the chief villains are the Black Hermit (an inverted, headhunting, diabolical ascetic) of the Waste Land and the King of Castle Mortel, the sinister brother of the Graal king himself, a wizard and usurper. I cannot but help wonder if Greg found the term from his Arthurian studies.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    Well there is the Solar Storm revelation, the god with the blinded third eye from Chen Durel. He becomes enlightened and calms down, of course. I wonder if Sheng's Pain Star in the sky was meant to become a 'fixed sun', an anti-Sun or reborn Yelm, with Yelm himself trapped in Hell forever? Or does Sheng's star move? I suspect Sheng descends into Hell every Sacred Time.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    scott-martin, I'd like your post but I've used up all my likes too. It's clear to me that Sheng Seleris' 'standing on the Moon' is 'riding on the Moon' - he is a Pentan, after all. The Moon would become his mare, his consort, by castrating/maiming the Red Emperor, her lover and son. The female horse is of course a vehicle of sovereignty. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvamedha) As pointed out by many others, the dead mare of the horse sacrifice is in fact the sexual partner (ritual or symbolic) of the king, as she remains in the Irish kingship ritual. Thus the Shadow Moon empire. The Moon is still there, but she is suffering, a prisoner. She is not Empress but slave. I think the 'crippled man' who helps Sheng Seleris to escape in that puzzling image in the Fortunate Succession must be connected to the maimed father, the beggar. He may be the Red Gardener in Kralorela. In fact, the Red Emperor would have sacrificed his fertility to father Yara Aranis. This may be the missing 'part' of the Emperor that rendered him unfit to rule Kostaddi, the land of the goat. Compare Osiris, also a man who came back from the land of the dead, missing his genitalia. The Emperor gets sick, is imprisoned in Pentan Hell, and perversely, becomes the lover of Gorgorma. Why does the 'cripple' help Sheng? Is the Pentan Hell connected to the Zolath 'oven' - the 'tapas', internal fire, (to use the Sanskrit) of Sheng's Un-Order? To use the internal fire model, perhaps the body is the Hell that traps the Sun (the burning heart and mind)... In the Karvanyar story there's hostility between the blind father and his perfect son, who becomes emperor even after he restores his father's missing eyes and heart. We know nothing of Sheng's father, but his treatment of the mystics in Kralorela shows contempt. Pentan patriarchy is no doubt an endless cycle of violence and hatred.... more visceral than the Dara Happans, who sublimate their unrest into 'duty' and perfectionism: self-hatred. Instead, Sheng hates the world itself. He is, in fact, very similar to Ragnaglar, but instead of ripping the universe apart, he tries to kill everything 'above' him. His end would have been becoming Kargzant, consuming the Sun. He would be the Evil Emperor. In this aim, he is no innovator: his ends are a matter of scale. Every Pentan man wants to be a khan, or is supposed to want that. His Zolathi slaves are his sons, but sons as automatons and extensions of his will, not sons that are meant to eclipse him. When the future Emperor chooses the Widow's Son path - and by widow there is a neglect or erasure of the fallen, wounded father - he identifies Sheng with the Sun Dragon - which works, I suppose because of the parallels of mysticism, draconic insight, and tyranny - he is probably reviving the Red King rite, the hidden Darsenite, Darjiin path of parricide, husband-killing, that the Moon remembers.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    Well, every father has to die. The trouble with immortal ones is they don't, so there is no inheritance. Patriarchs tend to hoard power, wives, daughters. The children have to challenge him to find their place. When Orlanth was among the strange gods, he met the Moon, the rebel daughter of the Sun, driven out of her father's home; a part of her, or a child of her's, Mahaquata, the death-bat, helped Orlanth to kill the Sun... You know who those two old friends of Orlanth are?
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    Yes, I think Karvanyar's quest's outcome, 'Every Man a Sun' is probably somehow related to the emergence of Tharkantus, and Monrogh's 'Many Suns'. Though not long after Karvanyar, the Yelm priests 'proved' that Yelm was 'not a/every Man' that innovation took hold amongst the proto-Yelmalions. Even Baboons can be the Little Sun.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    True. Though I mistrust what the Yelmic orthodox say about such things; this may well be a part of folk history, not 'official histories'. "The Poor Widow's Son" is probably a thing, it's just hidden. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the secret was discovered by Karvanyar from the myths of the Little Sun or Lightfore. After all, Karvanyar is the son of a blinded and maimed father who should be the Emperor. He doesn't know his heritage, but finds it out. He triumphs over an usurper (in Karvanyar's case, the Sun Dragon) using 'Every Man a Sun' (which is similar to Elmal's discovery 'I am the Sun'). His act at the marriage negotiations with the Dragon's Daughter is to get his father's eyes and heart as a price for the match, then rejecting the marriage. This is what the Fortunate Succession says about Desdarius: "Desderius 111,260? During this time period this relative of Yelmgatha attempted to perform a variant of the "Poor Wife's Son" ritual, replacing the dragon with the Red Emperor. He was caught, and not found guilty of treason. But for Conspiracy, he had other parts taken by the Hungry Goddess besides his heart and eyes." "Poor Wife's Son' ritual" can hardly be anything but a hero quest, so either it's from the Godtime or it's a Mythic Part of Time - like the Red Moon's Ascension or the Night of Horrors.
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    Greg Stafford Condolence Thread

    I only got to know Greg this year and he was a lovely person. Of course, his worlds had brightened my own for decades before that. Arkat has gone to his star.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    "Deneskerva the Great Sister is the demi-god daughter of the Red Goddess. Some say She was born when the island of Mernita rose during the Great Flood. Others say She was born when She emerged from the Cavern of Flowers in Darsen in the Zero Wane and was at the Goddess’ side during the battle of Castle of Blue. Great Sister was there when her twin Takenegi the Red Emperor was first revealed by the Goddess. Like Takenegi, she is thought to have worn several Masks, although she discards them less readily than her twin. The current Mask is thought to be 125 years old." (...) "Before, when she was called Verithurusa, Lesilla had founded the land of Mernita, and thousands of her descendants lived in it. Mother Lesilla sat overhead, worshipped by her descendants add simultaneously appearing among them as Queen Cerullia. When the Great Flood destroyed the world, Lesilla drew her land upward, higher than the rushing waters. Deneskerva was a daughter of Lesilla, who was loved by Lesilla above all others. Lesilla showed Deneskerva the invisible light of Sedenya the Turner that permeates the material world. When Deneskerva’s own twin brother demanded that the people of Mernita reject Sedenya, Deneskerva was given her mother’s mirror and taken to the God Caves in the care of Natha. Because of this, Deneskerva did not die but remained hidden until Our Goddess revealed her again." (http://www.glorantha.com/docs/deneskerva-the-great-sister/) The Cavern of Flowers is the Miringite Cave, which is clearly related not only to Natha's Cave in Hell but also to the Cave where Zaytenera/Verithurusa lost her innocence and became a mother: Lesilla, the Blue Moon. That Cave may well be the same as the Cave of the Strange Gods. Her associations are clearly with the Blue Moon over the Red Moon, though she is obviously also a child of Sedenya by the Third Age. Since the Blue Moon is the Moon of Motherhood, in a sense both of her children are born of the 'Blue Moon'. However, by saying 'bastard daughter of the Blue Moon' the author can sidestep the question of whether she's a rightful Empress.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    I don't disagree. However, the methods Illaro used - conquest and amassing sovereignty magic - backfired, or had inconvenient consequences, over the next 150 years. The Sartar dynasty, despite the Lunar period, established a state model that depended more on justice and peacemaking (or the reputation thereof) - a novel and I think successful way to get around the whole problem of entanglement in the designs and troubles of one's clan and tribe - the pitfall of almost every Orlanthi state, including Tarsh. Illaro did have a notable failure: he failed to conquer the Quivini or convince them to submit. The Hendarli/Illaro dynasty suffered from a never-solved problem with alternate sources of legitimacy. There was no rival to Sartar's family anywhere near as trusted by the tribes. In certain ways Sartar more closely resembles Belintar than a traditional Heortling king.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    The Hendarli are probably identical to the Hendart, so they have a fair bit more written about them (if you include the Unspoken Word stuff, a lot more) than we ever hear of Ernalsar or the Orshanti. Illaro was their king, not a random adventurer. Hon-eel is well documented of course. Anyway, Sartar is very much like a player character who comes from a nondescript background and 'wins' a RQ campaign. Every basis of his subsequent power is based not on descent but his own deeds, and his lack of pedigree serves him well because he doesn't have a conflict of interest - he can solve feuds more easily than the Colymar, who were the most powerful tribe in 1470s Sartar but had a distinct problem with peacemaking. Edit: anyway, Illaro is an Earth-goddess champion, so he fits with the 'Earth Rising' motif. While Sartar seems out of place, his parent's name hints otherwise. His action as a champion of Harmony as a path to kingdom making is Ernalda's 'There is Always Another Way' in practice. He seems to be a pacifist in fact! Though his bodyguard were Humakti... or Telmori.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    Well, Illaro was her consort, so she's actually manifest in c.1455.
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    Arim was a Stravuli with an apparently known descent from him, so not - despite being a 'Pauper' a nobody or 'adopted clansman'. Illaro was a tribal king (Hendarli), so his ancestry is simply not detailed as yet. Sartar, however, was the founder of the dominant dynasty in the center of the most detailed part of Glorantha. Generally, you'd expect a list of ancestors, but all we know is a parent and a clan (Orshanti). Both are obscure. He is in fact mainly known as 'Sartar' or 'Sartar of Bullhill'. Bullhill suggests an area under Styrman influence, which could also mean unknown patrilineal descent, given their attitude towards sex. All this is pretty hypothetical. However, I believe the main point was the ascendency of the Earth rune, and though Sartar is unusual - being a man - in the list, his ancestry hints at some connection to Earth as well (Ernal-).
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    Tell me of Sheng Seleris

    Yeah, see my edited suggestion of a Vingan mother. *Ernalsar[a]. The Ernaldori name derives directly from Ernalda: 'Because the goddess's temple was on their tula, the clan took the name Ernaldori.' (see Jeff Richards at http://glorantha.temppeli.org/digest/heroquest-rpg/2005.09/28609.html) Thus the -ori suffix is 'of or appertaining to'... Given that -or- is here referring to a very female figure, it doesn't really indicate gender. I'm aware of Hercules/Herakles, but I'd hold out for a specifically Theyalan example to be convinced. There are lots of men with suffixes like 'Elmal-' but I can't find any women with that suffix, for the converse.
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