barry70 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 As a newcomer to Glorantha,I had the impression (supported by various pieces of art) that many shields used were of Bronze. However upon creating a character it seems shields are made of other materials and I cannot find Bronze shields.... Am I missing something? Thanks in advance for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 It depends on the game system you are using: I don't remember for RQ2, RQIII had bronze (or more properly bronze plated) shields and RQG is using hide, wooden and wicker shields. I don't know for Heroquest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, barry70 said: As a newcomer to Glorantha,I had the impression (supported by various pieces of art) that many shields used were of Bronze. However upon creating a character it seems shields are made of other materials and I cannot find Bronze shields.... Am I missing something? Thanks in advance for your help Purely my opinion: despite being given as hide, wicker or wood, as in terrestrial history, most shields are of composite construction, and the type given is actually the main component. For example, in our world, a hoplite shield often consisted of a thin sheet of stressed bronze backed with a thick core of wood a glued-on leather lining, and a bronze rim; sometimes reinforcing bronze plates were added to the inside. In RQ terms, is this a wood, hide or bronze shield? Probably a large wooden shield because the wood is the primary defensive component. It has a bronze surface, which you can either shine up to look really impressive, or have painted. Having a shield where the primary defensive component is bronze is a contentious topic in this world, where there are ongoing debates about whether Bronze Age bronze shields were purely decorative high status objects (they certainly were high status) or practical shields (as some display signs of battle damage and repair, some were used in combat). So the safest take would be that your wooden shield can have a thin bronze surface - it just isn't going to add to its hit points in game terms. Similarly, your hide or wicker shield might have nice looking bronze studs etc. but they aren't going to add anything to it in game terms. Edited April 23, 2019 by M Helsdon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 (edited) I don't have much else to add to M Helsdon's comment, but I just thought I'd mention that The Illiad makes a big deal out of the number of hides that are stretched out over the wooden shield frame (I think I remember seven and more, but I haven't read it since middle school, so I might be off, and I don't know whether it's historically accurate or just exaggeration for narrative purposes), and mention them being covered with what seems to be a bronze "finish", as it were. Edited April 24, 2019 by Sir_Godspeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry70 Posted April 24, 2019 Author Share Posted April 24, 2019 Thank you very much for taking the time to share your knowledge.I think it confirms my thoughts of a Bronze facing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 19 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: The Illiad makes a big deal out of the number of hides that are stretched out over the wooden shield frame There are several such laminated shields in the Iliad: seven layers is a popular number, but they were also faced with bronze... The most famous was the shield of Ajax, which was probably a tower or body shield as no specific shape is given for it: his shield probably weighed in at >10kg. Interestingly, tests using a lamination of seven layers of hide show it gives excellent protection. If I recall correctly, there are two construction methods given for the various seven-layer shields: a metal worker makes the facing first and stitches the layers of hide to it, whilst a leather worker laminates the leather first, then adds the facing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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