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    Proofreader.... on Guide to Glorantha, King of Sartar, HeoQuest: Glorantha. Contributor to The Coming Storm. Etc.

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  1. From the Archives: Old Cults

    As the suffix alio seems to mean 'little' in several Pelorian dialects/languages, Yurmalio might translate as Little Eurmal...
  2. From the Archives: Old Cults

    I was lucky enough to recently acquire hardcopies of two issues of the New Lolon Gospel; they are an interesting read, and present a mythos satisfyingly removed from both the Solar and Storm ideologies.
  3. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    Indeed. I have been wondering for some time just what Joerg is arguing about. Um, a vague reference to starving peasants during the reign of Moirades, and the export of an agricultural surplus doesn't indicate a Pelorian reliance upon Tarshite grain. Instead it probably reflects a different growing and harvesting period due to climate and altitude (and myth). Such variation can drive commercial opportunities. There's likely to be a wide variation in growing and harvesting within Dragon Pass, due to terrain and altitude. In fact, the date of the harvest might vary by weeks across a relatively small area. ???
  4. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    Um , no. The GtG says nothing about Tarsh being a major source of food for lowland Peloria; it simply states The river is navigable as far south as Furthest. This has relevance for Lunar logistical military supply for operations in the south.
  5. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    About two centuries prior to Brennus' raid on Rome, if the semi-mythical sources can be believed. And his people vanish from history a century or so later. It's unclear exactly where the Cimbri and Teutones originated from. The usual pressures: climate, overpopulation and pressure from neighbors are likely causes of migration attempts. Um, the Elbe flows into the sea just to the west of Jutland, and the Saxons tended to be placed just south of the lower Elbe, not a very significant distance away. For that matter, by the Medieval period, some centuries later, the Duchy of Saxony wasn't exactly geographically distant, so a very slow short-range migration, due no doubt, to pressure from the east. None of the 'Germanic' peoples were particularly sophisticated in comparison, say, with the Heortlanders, who at least had urban centers. Really? The Galatians were invited by Nicomedes I of Bithynia to fight on his side in a dynastic struggle. They survived that, for a time, and eventually lost their identity/were submerged within the general population. You are driving this thread way off topic.
  6. Yelmalio in Nochet

    The Noble Brothers The defenders of Ernalda and Nochet, led by Irillo are worshipped at the Noble Brothers Temple in Nochet. Irillo: He fought in the Last Royal Betrayal, a major battle of the Sword and Helm War ancient feud which destroyed the Kodigvari and the unity of the Vingkotlings. He managed to survive and made his way back home because his sister-in-law came from the land in which the battle was fought. Irillo defended the Grandmothers when Rastagar, the King of the Vingkotlings threatened them and was killed, but later returned as a dead man offering to defend Nochet. Deresagar: A son of Argan Argar, and patron of spearmen. Nolerianmar: A son of Elmal, and god of horsemen. Harasarl: Beloved Sarl, patron of warriors who fight in the style of the Orlanthi. He is said to defend Nochet from Orlanth, but is an aspect of the god acceptable to the Esrolian Grandmothers. Helamakt: The Swordsman, he is the Fighting Storm who uses his winds to fight for him: Killer Rain Gale as his Swordthane; Blinding Shadow as his Shieldthane; Searing Bolt as his Spearthane; Falling Wind as his Backboy. Kalavan: A son of Veskarthan who fights with a flaming spear. Tenderos: The Copper Warrior. Tersh: A god of archery. Yelmalio: Although the Esrolians revile Yelmalio for events that occurred in the Second Age, and know that Elmal is the rightful Sun God, he remains one of the Noble Brothers. There is no tradition of Sun Dome phalanxes in Esrolia.
  7. Yelmalio in Nochet

    Too long ago. I seriously doubt that a group of Yelmalions survived in Nochet that long.
  8. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    I'd be wary of using it as a source of economic data. You seem to be confusing Brennus with Bellovesus. Brennus lead a raid, but he didn't settle. Bellovesus may be entirely mythical. Angles and Saxons in Germania isn't exactly a migration... Modern genetic studies of the modern inhabitants of the British Isles. There is a fairly distinct divide predating the Danelaw, but between 'Continental' ancestry and 'Iberian'. Mass migrations were a feature of the infamous belief in Völkerwanderung, but it doesn't really apply prior to the climate changes of the 4th-5th century, as most migrations prior to that were quite small and often unsuccessful. That of the Galatians was by invitation, so isn't a good example, and they were defeated by the Seleucid king Antiochus I. After that they survived, more or less, until the Romans arrived, a few centuries later.
  9. Yelmalio in Nochet

    No, the site was many tens of miles to the north west in Solthon Vale. Improbable. The Grandmothers utterly destroyed the cult of Yelmalio in Esrolia centuries ago.
  10. Yelmalio in Nochet

    Its name of Little Vanntar suggests a very close link with the relatively new Yelmalion statelet in Sartar.
  11. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    The Pelorian lowland river valleys are the site of extensive agriculture, not unlike that in Mesopotamia before the Mongols destroyed the irrigation system. I fear you are getting your Brennus mixed up. The Brennus who attacked Rome was engaged in what was effectively a massive raid, not a migration. The later Brennus who was one of the leaders an attempted migration into Greece committed suicide after his migration turned into a raid which had to retreat. Some of 'his' followers formed a small kingdom, Tylis, but it didn't last very long. Um. No. If you consult recent authorities, you'll find that climate change, rising sea levels, and enemies from the interior were all contributing factors. And recent genetic studies find a very shallow footprint of Saxons and Angles in England; the Danes left a deeper footprint. Instead, it seems that a relatively small number consisting of a new elite moved over, and many Britons turned Saxon in culture and language because of the economic and political collapse of the Romano-British state. And again, climate played a significant role.
  12. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    Precisely. The Lunar supply lines into the south are fairly limited; moving sufficient materiel by land and river that far was supremely difficult. Without local supply, the Holy Country and the Zola Fel valley are at the very limits of supply. The Provinces are more than just Tarsh, which lies at the end of the major transit route into the empire; there's a great deal of productive land in the river valleys of the Provinces. The Great Winter and the nomad invasion of Oraya would have reduced supply into the Heartlands, but given that the river valleys of Peloria are heavily populated by rural Lodrilli farmers, the impact on the Heartlands wouldn't be as bad as you assume. The real world mass migrations often ended badly for the tribes, as their logistical infrastructure is non-existent, and compared with state military power, their forces were poorly armed, poorly disciplined, and poorly trained. They only succeeded when the state was already in a weakened condition. The Cimbri, Teutones, Ambrones, Marcomanni and Quadi, and the tribes that became the Goths all fared very badly against the Romans when they were at their height. Only centuries later, due to political and economic factors (possibly driven by severe climate change in the 4th to 5th century AD driven by the changes in North Atlantic Oscillation) did the barbarians overrun the borders. In 376 AD the Gothic peoples begged for permission to cross into the Roman Empire, but the empire couldn't feed them, leading to revolts, the sack of Rome, the collapse of Roman hegemony in the West, and tribal kingdoms being carved out in Gaul, Thrace, Iberia, North Africa and Italy, though several didn't survive the subsequent counter-attack by the Roman East. Migrating tribes who can't seize crops and herds are rapidly in a very weak state, which is why the Goths begged entrance into the empire, because the Huns were rapidly encroaching their eastern flank. Lack of crops to raise or seize rapidly leads to starvation. Agricultural tribal people in migration often simply disappear from history.
  13. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    Nochet was absolutely essential for Lunar military operations in the south, the failure to take the city, and the Dragonrise, were the reason why Lunar military power went into an abrupt decline. Both Karse and Nochet were on the very limits (if not beyond them) of Lunar supply lines.
  14. Casualty rate in Gloranthan battles?

    Alexander was able to exploit the sophisticated Persian logistics infrastructure, effectively taking it over as he won battles and rolled into new territories. Even allowing for the usual exaggeration, in the first Persian invasion of Greece, the Persians had sent many tens of thousands (ancient sources claim up to two hundred thousand) into Greece, deploying an even larger force in their second invasion of Greece (claimed to be around half a million). Even if the claimed numbers are reduced by moving the decimal point, an army of twenty thousand or fifty thousand requires an elaborate system of supply, for the four essentials: food, fodder, firewood and water. Even if only most of the food and half the fodder was transported, that still requires a major system of depots, supply ships, and staging areas. Alexander was fortunate that in many instances the local authorities rapidly submitted ahead of his line of march, and didn't burn the supplies held in the granaries and depots. If the Persian governmental system hadn't unraveled so quickly, he would have been in dire straits. For Glorantha, something similar can be seen as the Lunar supply and staging center at Alda-Chur was captured by Argrath, and then Tarsh first went into civil war and then joined him, meaning that all the Lunar logistics system along the Oslir became vulnerable.
  15. Prax and the thousand questions about the place.

    True, but I'm wary of going into too much detail, as Gloranthans won't consider calories, vitamins and trace elements, all of which are important in the modern world. From what I've been able to research most animals provide approximately 40-55% of their weight in edible meat, if butchered correctly; herd men and oxen are exceptions (humans aren't very good meat sources, and oxen have been bred domestically to increase yield). One animal I missed out in the list was the rhino - living weight 3500-4500 lbs. edible meat probably about 45% because of the weight and thickness of the hide.