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  1. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    You asked if he could flay Mr Blobby right?
  2. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    Behold the true terror, the true Lord of the Sith. He should be feared, the most powerful dark lord that all try to emulate from Voldermort to Morgoth. Next his power all are insignificant and should tremble before him. Notice how all Sith Lords attempt to copy his yellow eyes
  3. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    You're not relying on primary source material, you're ignoring some in-universe evidence. A photon torpedo destroys and asteroid and we can know what it is made of, or its size we can determine yield required. We see part of a city destroyed and we know the size, see a crater we can determine some of the effects. We know the size of something moved by a tractor beam, and composition it would allow us to work out its capabilities.
  4. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    We can calc yield based upon visuals, what we know of objects being destroyed. For instance their density, mass etc. You're relying purely on one source when a plethora exist. Don't limit yourself that way. Use everything at your disposal.
  5. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    Feat threads use stuff from canon sources, upon which to drawn a conclusion Right and this tells us a whole lot about the technology involved. That they really are not flying very fast, and yes your are spot on about Lucas making a decision to have dog fights taking place that mimic WW2 stuff. If you want a real laugh go look at the Phantom Menace fight with the Gungans and the Droids. A blaster beam bounces off the ground and hits something. Does this mean that blasters do that? Heaven's no. It was an effect fail, but a funny one. Yes, but usually it is enough that we can draw logical conclusions based upon what we see, what is said, and interpretation I could say that a racecar has thousands of horsepower, does not make that statement true, This was an offhand comment, that is again likely hyperbole. This is not so much a problem as you might think. It is science fiction after all. Having something that breaks science in some ways is fine as long as the rest of it is not too heavily buggered. There is the technical manual which was created which does give us lots of data. Direct canon....debatable. But it does give us solid numbers upon which to use. Okay now Discovery is actually Prime Timeline, allegedly. This may change, and quite frankly I would like it to go its own way and forget prime timeline. JJ verse is dead at the moment as Pine and Hemsworth have dropped out. Star Wars had a layered canon structure. Glad EU is gone though, although that prick Chee keeps trying to bring back gigaton firepower. Not quite,. what I'm trying to do is understand whether the statement made is correct, hyperbole, and what evidence we have. Someone saying herpaderp derp we can blow up a moon in some franchise. Unless we see it, or evidence of similar levels of firepower said claim is entirely suspect. People raved on recently how Trek firepower had gone up on the scale due to Alt. Phillipa's throneship virtually blew up a planet. Despite certain visuals that debunked due to lack of certain effects or that they were likely on the ship made of neutronium. Which in Trek;s case seems to more akin to actual neutronium. Phasers do more than DET (direct energy transfer) they possess NDF (nuclear disruptive force) allowing for exotic effects. You're whacking the donkey with sweets in again. Did Captain Kirk float off the bridge or did the fall kill him? It was the latter. Do people die in a vacuum, yep. Can they get shot with bullets or energy weapons and die. Yep again. Do people get injured, Again yep. Do people need to breath. Again affirmative. Do people need to eat food? Yep. Would people die going to warp without some kind of inertia dampening technology?Yep. Physics works fine really, just a few physics breaking effects but nothing that cannot be worked around.
  6. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    This is indeed true, but considering Hakwmoon is set in the future, Earth post cataclysm, the likelihood is that it isn't. Feat threads on the internet where the stars were described as light, or something like that. I'd have to find it. True, but for this to work, again we need to have some conceits. If anything, Moorcock's cosmology is paralleled in current DC Cosmology, with the Sphere of the Gods. There are tiers and levels, but essentially, ranks within the Lords of the Higher Worlds. This is a strawman argument, yet again. At this minute you're hitting the straw donkey with a stick and getting the odd sweet. But as a whole, you keep missing the mark. And the reason for it is - We were not talking hard science fiction, but generic science fiction or even space opera. But because it is science fiction, some of the technology will (emphasis mine) not work according to understood laws of physics. It does not mean the whole setting just kicks science in the knackers and calls it a day. Rather the reverse actually. We don't see Captain Picard swimming through space, not worried about vacuum, or floating off a cliff unafraid of dying. In fact, the laws of physics are foremost on their mind usually. This tells us that we can trust the setting to obey some of the laws of physics, allowing again, certain core conceits. This is another problem you're having, just because someone says it, does not make it true. It could easily be hyperbole, Right this is another issue you're having. What is a cobalt bomb, and what is its yield? If its output is that of a gas fire, then yeah a photon torpedo has better yield. We can also calculate the output of a photon torpedo due to the amount of matter and anti-matter in a given warhead. We can draw this conclusion from various other canon sources. Thus we build a more complete picture of the setting and its capabilities. You are just pulling out random spurious facts, without context, or analysis. This is a core tenet over at SB. We need details in order to draw a conclusion. For instance Janeway in Voyager said they could destroy a small moon. Well bully for them. Didn't help the Ent-D much in the episode where it did not have enough torps to destroy an asteroid. Context, and analysis is paramount. While this is laudable, if the item has a technobabble approach behind it, we can work out minimum yield, and then analysis based on feats / texts the maximum yield. But to do that we need data.
  7. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    This is true. But if we're actually doing an multiverse Elric game, then we have to maintain the conceit that they do. We know that in LoTR that the stars are not really stars. So we know as a fact that they are not more powerful. Feats from the series tell us this. Now if i was evil, as i am also including the Mythos I might make Eru, Nyarly or Azathoth. Also true. But Lords of Chaos or Order can be made. This is actually false. Sure some of the stuff breaks physics, but that does not mean it all does. And what we can see, can calc'd. Star Trek may have lots of things that break physics, but we can still work out what shields can withstand, weapon output etc. This particular calculation you were talking was using EU Lore, so this statement is very much a misnomer, and somewhat of a strawman argument. EU Wars uses hypermatter, which is IIRC energy drawn from hyperspace, a.k.a zero-point energy. This put EU Wars as a Kardeshev III civilisation, Disney Wars is same as Trek - a K2 civ. Whereas EU Time Lords are a IV verging on a V. TV Time Lords are more-or-less a 3-4. It all boils down to know your lore, and feats which you can use to interpret your outcome.
  8. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    D'know what is even worse? Arioch is a servant of Shuma-Gorath.
  9. RogerDee

    BRP and BRP Adjacent Power Systems?

    It was purely done from a narrative perspective, or some very form of simplified game angle.
  10. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    I referred to whether Law or Chaos was dominant one or more posts back as to whether SB had any powers. Also immovable object vs unstoppable force; we're not playing friggin' Exalted. It is reasonably easy to resolve.....now if you wanted to make it complicated then we could go this route. Are the Valar Lords of Chaos or Order in disguise? Now that would really throw a cosmic monkey spanner in the old theories Personally, i wouldn't go that route, and keep all the deities from each setting as being less powerful than the Lords of the Higher Worlds. Now there are three Superman expy's in Marvel - one is Gladiator, Hyperion, and the last is Sentry. There were like all things Marvel different versions depending on the parallel world. This actually happened in canon. Real world physics is a rule on SB forums https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/attention-versus-forum-the-versus-forum-rules-guide-book-v1-0-has-arrived-read-it-now.431674/#VFR I would direct you to rule 9. This does not mean people don't cherry pick facts, or evidence, but we do strive to ensure that we obey the rules, The staff are quite hot on this too, ensuring we members obey the rules. In fact you'll find the feat threads in Technical some of the best out there, we calc everything, and are constant pedants
  11. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    Okay on lunch and replying on tablet. 1. There is no apples or oranges, ermm..I meant spoon. I did mention about whether that realm is order, chaos or balance dominant. Quite frankly dragon fire is irrelevant, that is kind of like the Judge from Buffy that cannot be harmed by any weapon. At which point she shoots him with an RPG esque weapon. 2. Correct, but that is one method. 3. Using LoG is my preferred multiverse engine game anyway, and all too easy. I want this to be a little bit of a challenge ya'know. 4. Traits I think will become necessary to add LoG elements, but keep the game sane. Otherwise we'd have Superman in Stars Wars or Star Trek in short order. 5. Crossovers. Dude I post primarily on Spacebattles, where SB in threads still happen, and other franchises are thrown into others just to screw with canon. We even did mechas in Stargate, just 'cos no one had ever done it. Putting franchises together and working outcomes out is what we do there. If you are not member go join. It is a hoot.
  12. RogerDee

    Stormbringer 5.5 edition?

    Well on the Magic World link below feel free to join the discussion about a combined D100 Elric Basically using D100 stuff only, make a combined setting. Thought experiment, and for fun. May turn it into its own thread at some point too.
  13. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    On tablet so replying to each point individually is tricky. Now the Stormbringer issue is easy, can its inherent chaos overcome those of the local gods? Now RQII has bits that can help, honestly it doesn't matter. Is the universe one of order or chaos? If the latter, and the ring is not protected by a god or lord of chaos it can be hacked in half. Now crossovers from other systems are not that hard. For instance BRP angels are around peak human, based on stats. But I would take principles, not the figures. This way you get a more narratively driven system. Or convert everything to the multiverse system being used. But that would require using something a lot of BRP folk hate, traits. Which quite frankly you're going to need, primarily so you are not stuck when switching genres e.g. arriving from a sword and sircery setting to a space opera. As for dealing with other franchises, go watch youtube Batman vs Darth Vader, the alt version. If you have not already. That is a gd example.
  14. RogerDee

    Stormbringer 5.5 edition?

    Has this stopped or is it ongoing?
  15. RogerDee

    Elric vs Magic World

    Well Stormbringer pretty much cuts anything from what I recall, so I would not see an issue with it chopping the One Ring in half. Lightsaber, not so much. There was a time they cut anything, but in the EU (now non-canon) there was loads of stuff to counter it. Same for Adamantium from the original X-Men movies. It cut anything, but in Wolvie Origins it had trouble with katana's. Anyway slight rant over. lol Okay so the simple way to do it would be use some external sources, e.g: https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Lords_of_Order In the end I decided that would be too easy. So in some ways it is part project, and thought exercise, in that I can only use D100 products (or as much as possible) to make the multiverse, but it can come from any source. However changing names is allowed. So with that in mind I came to the idea is that ll of the settings, BRP, CoC, Mythras, etc are all part of the same multiverse. To start with I have used the planar denizen descriptions from Raiders of R'yleh, for simplicity, and kind of got this idea- Outer gods: Outer Monstrosities from Raiders Higher Ones: Archetypal Spirits from Raiders At this point each and every one of the products have their own gods from here downwards, and their own spatial dimensions. So CoC has Old gods which consists of Elder gods, and Old Ones. It also has a second set which are not as powerful: Great Ones, and Lesser Ones (Earth gods). These Earth gods consist of Deiwos (Old Ones from Dark Ages), Jinn (Invictus) and Olympians (I cheated and used Lovecraft's fiction here). BRP has their own elder gods in the Elohim from Val-Du-Loup, and their own lesser ones in the form of angels and demons. Although there is no reason celestials does not also include deities, as listed in the description. What do you think so far?
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