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My take on the rumor mill is that the most likely things we'll see are a new scenario or three, starting on the convention circuit. The forthcoming books I've seen the most buzz about are generally a Gamemaster's Guide and a new Gods of Glorantha, which I think some persons have actually seen a draft of, and which I think a Table of Contents was running amok from. Apparently a Pavis & Big Rubble supplement is supposed to happen someday, maybe? And something with a Wild West feel not in Pavis, but in Barbarian Town (which is still vaguely Praxian); I don't remember if that was like scenarios, or setting, or what.

Also sounds like there's buzz about a heroquesting book, but considering the community's been promised that literally longer than I've been alive, I'm currently expecting it to drop about five minutes after the heat death of the universe. /s

Some notes:

1. I am, of course, in no way associated with Chaosium. No officialness here.
2. This is entirely based on my sketchy memory of random things read on this board over the last six months.

22 hours ago, EpicureanDM said:

You mention two opponents lobbing Disrupt at average POW PCs and how dangerous that is. But why? Close the loop on that bit of advice. Is it because if a PC takes 4 x 1D3 damage to general hit points over two rounds, they might be one glancing blow (maybe 2hp of damage to a location after armor) away from zero hp and death? 

What does your party look like in the general strokes that you felt comfortable unleashing two Large Dehori and a six-trollkin slingers squad (among others, including a powerful troll Rune Priestess, I presume) against them? The Bestiary says that elementals have one hit location and no armor. There's also no mention of combat skills, so they presumably can't Parry or Dodge. They can be hit and damaged by ordinary weapons. It sounds like as long as a PC doesn't fumble the attack, they just need to succeed on an attack then roll damage. This makes elementals feel like "semi-intelligent terrain effects" to me, which obviously require a priest around to control them. Is that a fair way at looking at them? 

What sort of impact did you expect the Dehori to have in the battle? What was their intended effect? Were there some strengths or weaknesses in your party that you wanted to connect with?

 

The big danger of Disrupt is that it ignores armor. This is quickly blocked by two points of Countermagic, a point of Shield, etc., but a round or two of Disrupt fire is a reliable way to take out heavy-duty melee warriors with a pretty low resource cost. On a related note, the effectiveness or lack thereof of certain tactics, spells, will depend on how your group grows and responds. I believe that RQ games basically end up with a group "meta" like in competitive games. Sort of a rock-paper-scissors interaction. My games  mostly dealt with direct damage spells and melee attacks, so Protection was way more valuable than Countermagic. If opponents start using Befuddle, suddenly Countermagic 3 becomes really good. If every opponent uses 2MP on Befuddle instead of Bladesharp near the start of combat, players will stop casting Protection 3--in which case Bladesharp becomes good again. The way the MP and time economies interact can create a constant shift in what good magic tactics consists of.

Honestly, looking back, using that combat was probably a bad example. It was this giant clusterfuck of a fight between a huge troll raid (caused because the adventurers found their hideout, and the trolls wanted to remain secretive and so destroy any who knew) on the village the adventurers were defending. The whole sides were something like:

Players: Five starting adventurers (one currently MIA), 8-ish Orlanthi farmers, a one-leggged duck initiate of Humakt, a God-talker of Ernalda, and some nebulous assistance promised by a local nymph, daughter of Zola Fel (who a PC worshiped).

Enemies: A troll priestess of Kyger Litor, initiate of Zorak Zoran warleader, and something like a dozen trollkin (TBH I just put down all my minis and don't remember exact numbers), with a mix of slings and spears. Then a flanking force of four Dark Troll warriors on the other end of the village.

The shades, summoned by the priestess, were instructed to just fearshock and move on, targeting anything that wasn't troll, aiming for mass casualties. At one point a Herder adventurer got the village sheep to stampede through the trollkin. At another point the MIA adventurer returned with reinforcements from the enemy trolls' blood-feuding clan on the back of giant dragonflies. So no, nothing at all about this combat was built to be balanced or normal. It was an attempt by the trolls to slaughter the village so the feuding clan wouldn't find their hideaway.

The shades were meant to pressure the adventurers into heroism, by knocking out a large number in a short time. Plus, let the priestess act without getting into melee. I used shades because trolls=Darkness. Elementals do honestly feel a bit like "semi-intelligent terrain" to me too. But a simple command (mess up everyone who isn't a troll) can do a lot of work, and leave the caster to do other stuff. Also, keep in mind that an uncontrolled elemental, AFAIK, can still be super useful. Elementals summoned with Rune magic come from the god, and by default won't turn around and assault the caster when uncontrolled. I play them as generally benevolent provided the caster is on good terms with their god.

One of the things I did notice is that while elementals don't really have defenses, they absolutely can have enough HP to require three or four hits to kill.

2 hours ago, soltakss said:

it is not unknown for the casting of spells to cause combat.

To emphasize, in my experience as a player the moment someone I didn't know started casting a spell in a hostile environment, I tried to kill them. Very much an automatic reflex for that character.

2 hours ago, soltakss said:

So, a Rune Lord of Orlanth would be good with weapons, a Rune Lord of Humakt would be good with swords, a Rune Lord of Zorak Zoran would have clubs and might go Berserk, a Rune Lord of Krarcht would be sneaky, a Rune Lord of Cacodemon might be able to Vomit Acid over you and a Rune Lord of Thanatar might have access to spells from other cults.

And a Rune Priest of Eurmal might just eat a PC!

It sounds to me like you're looking for guidelines similar to D&D and Pathfinder's Challenge Rating system. Sets of numbers which can be used to determine whether or not a combat is well measured against the party. The challenge is that, to my understanding, RQG's skill-based system is more difficult to compare in this way than D20 systems, largely because of how static HP is, and the adventurer's resistance to harming things. That being said I think advice like you're looking for is possible; but I caution you to not expect something too precise when seeking guidelines for an "appropriate encounter."

My experience has been that a combat of about equivalent numbers and skills and skill combinations (melee, missile, etc) is a good feel for a dangerous encounter. When I ran a large-scale battle, the most dangerous villains were a group of six trollkin with slings (that's including two large Shades summoned by the troll Rune Priestess, which fearshocked half the Orlanthi side and two of the PCs). If your group has only one person with high POW, be extra careful how many magicians you send against them. Even two fellas in the back with POW 13/14 shooting Disrupt at the same target a couple rounds will be a huge problem for a party averaging POW 11. Disparity in the POW stat, IMO, is really important. As a player, I find my first move in combat is to ask our shaman (with POW-detecting Second Sight) where the biggest source of POW is, then to go murder it.

Iiiiiinteresting. May just have to subject my RQG group to one or both of these. My players are in the Rubble, after all, and I'm sure it'll be easier to hunt down a used paper copy of Eldarad than Pavis & Big Rubble. (Yes, I've got the PDF, but I hate running adventures off my screen since I'm usually using it for stats, ambiance, etc.)

On 2/25/2019 at 5:48 PM, jajagappa said:

one of the two forbidden books that all in the tribe of Glorantha have forever forsworn!

Can't help but ask now--what's the other book?

5 hours ago, jajagappa said:

(but couldn't resist responding 😉 )

...

I could never really make sense of why anyone would want or use the Hallucinate spell.

Likewise.  And we've mostly used Hallucinate for movement and utility, or recreation (the latter seems especially relevant in RQG; who wouldn't blow their last few RP to have a wild night when you get back to town?). If you're really creative, it's a fantastic spell since it lets you imagine things so wildly. Most uses I've come up with involve getting the party's Trickster into some impossible place while there's a rope attached.

7 hours ago, jajagappa said:

And you admit it! 😲 Clearly a heretic! Naming one of the two forbidden books that all in the tribe of Glorantha have forever forsworn!

Not gonna lie, it was a factor in why I brought the story up.

And you know what? WE HAD FUN!

As a (relatively new) GM, I enjoy using a trickster as GMPC & Questgiver/Interference. Nothing quite like having someone ride up on an imaginary Griffon to make the players feel "something's fishy..."

A friend of mine played a trickster in our ongoing RQ3+ campaign. Hallucinate lets you do some crazy stuff; he used it as the "nope!" button a lot. Reggie's general character shape was a snake oil salesman. Lying, conniving, less direct pranking and slapstickery.

My highlight's more an almost-highlight. We played the Gyvreck Sodality Cult adventure from Daughters of Darkness, and ended up stealing the gem containing the god Gyvreck. Reggie didn't yet know Swallow, and to this day it remains one of the player's greatest regrets that he didn't get to Swallow a god...

19 minutes ago, David Scott said:

With hindsight "prize" is the wrong word

Boon, prize, McGuffin--whatever, the word's not desperately important here. I just figured it was worth adding the only extant game-text use of Heroquest features to the conversation about possible features/functions . (I'm not including other references throughout the RQG Core because they seem to be "lore" references, and not actual hints at "game" elements in the way I personally parse & understand the document.)

14 hours ago, David Scott said:

however I suspect the "prizes" will be much more scenario specific as per HQG and RQ2 adventures like the rainbow mounds.

I think it's worth noting that we have evidence of a heroquesting "prize" in RQG, in the Gamemaster's Pack adventure book. Asborn Thriceborn, on p.25 of my PDF (though I think I'm a patch or so behind) has the "Heroquest Gift" of "Can self-resurrect within 1D8 days. Requires a permanent expenditure of 4 Rune points." This is the only reference to game text on heroquests that I am aware of thus far in RQG published materials.

Chiming in with many voices...

As someone who recently was new-ish to Glorantha Lore, I'd recommend the Glorantha Sourcebook most highly. It's interesting, has lots of pretty pictures, and is pretty readable. I read King of Sartar before it and found it disappointingly sparce. It does its job--mimicking Earth mythology remnants--but that job wasn't what I was hoping for. I wanted the Iliad and instead it's got myth summaries.

As far as I know, there's nothing quite like the Dragonlance or Drizzt books for Glorantha. Would be great if there was. Griselda exists, as others have said. I can't speak on it myself, haven't read it (yet).

I feel like playing the Quickstart with pregen characters is your best starting point. Otherwise, definitely set aside a session for character creation alone. There's tons of options to process. Even as someone experienced with other editions of RQ/BRP, and with players familiar with the premises, it took us a session to make characters.

On 1/19/2019 at 2:56 AM, Kloster said:

Where I have a problem is with the 'non tickable' skills, especially lores. With max 1D6-1 per season on 1 skill when you need to drive 2 or 3 skills to 90% means some runic ranks are impossible to reach in a lifetime.

For the time being, I've been allowing my players to choose skills like this for their "between adventures" skills, if they've been doing their profession. If you're rummaging around in libraries for a living, you're gonna get better at it. It ameliorates that downside a little bit. I still don't let them gain experience checks proper in those skills.

I'd missed the bit about "an adventurer must train with an instructor for a whole season, and do little else." That doesn't make sense to me, considering RQG's focus on the integrated adventurer. I've been pitching training to my players as "you're basically doing that whenever you're not doing obligatory stuff." Sort of like, instead of working hard at your profession and cult stuff, you're doing the minimum required then going and spending time with that teacher who knows weird stuff.

The other thing I think can help this is letting adventurers change professions. For example, one of my players started as a herder, but as we played we all sort of agreed that it didn't make much sense if he stayed as a herder--he's basically doing light infantry stuff. I checked his skills, and the only one which was significantly lower than I'd expect is Battle, so I figured he could start working as a peltast or scout. We don't have a formal system in place yet for professions, but I feel like some level of mutability, provided the adventurer has the relevant skills, can really help growth. Of course as they progress, this is going to be less viable--it's not like a priest can just go spend some seasons working as a heavy infantry warrior in most cults.

13 hours ago, Cgeist7 said:

I was thinking the same thing for Runes & Techniques mastered, but it wouldn’t be too hard to set them up as fields for sorcery related occupations & cults. Is this something you’d like to see?

It seems to me (who knows nothing about programming) that it'd be a nice thing to add. But, I'd call it a luxury (with maybe an extra line of text saying 'put learned R&T in Description box for now'). I just imagine a Y/N trigger for characters around the implemented "Sorcery" skill. If they have one, add a set of boxes with Runes & Techniques. Otherwise, isn't on the page.

Is there a way yet to record Runes & Techniques mastered for a sorcerer? I didn't see something.

Along the same lines, I've not seen a place to mark if a character is a shaman. Fetch's POW, spirit abilities, etc.

31 minutes ago, boztakang said:

I believe bound spirits are also "automatically controlled" if you release them to perform a task (though they must be re-controlled to return to the binding after)

Spitballing from memory, the advantage is that it only costs 1MP to control a spirit in a Binding Enchant for the duration of that spell, and you can order them back into the Binding without further cost. So, real quick. Hypothetically if you've got a low DEX SR you could unleash two spirits in a round (with a 5SR gap between casts). Though I'm not certain how giving orders plays with that.

I'll add my voice to the praise for the GM Screen Pack. I haven't had the opportunity to play it, but I really like what I've read.

Some advice I've seen/received before, for starting new players, is to play with sort of basic farmer-type characters for a session, and set them up against a "level 1" type encounter where they'll probably die. Then, begin play with their actual characters in following sessions. This can be helpful for players with experience mostly with games like Pathfinder & D&D, where the combat can be less lethal and the adventure design more often includes "appropriate" encounters.

4 hours ago, Darius West said:

We still have the problem that somehow, for reasons that make no sense, Spirit magic subtracts from Free Int when it is stored in Charisma now.

I agree that this feels incoherent to me. I also agree with @Jeff that sorcerers should have a mechanical disincentive to push them away from spirit magic. I'm not sure how to resolve these issues. Apart from your dislike of the "spirit magic reduces Free INT" rule, what are your thoughts on sorcerers using magic come from spirits and fetishes? Do you have an idea for alternative disincentives?

A thought that pops into my mind is sorcery "cantrips." Basically, developing a spell to operate on similar grounds to spirit magic/common magic. The comparison I have in mind is like a programmer using a subroutine and being able to say "run subroutine X" (or whatever, I don't actually know any programming) instead of writing all the code for a known process in that moment. I see sorcery spells in RQG as writing all that code. But maybe a sorcerer or wizard could develop "shortcut" spells for emergencies? Like spirit magic, but rolling on INTx5 instead of POWx5?

Hm. I actually really like that idea. Maybe at a higher MP cost per point of effect (so Cantrip Mend Flesh 1=2MP & 2SR to cast) and requiring each sorcerer to spend downtime up in the tower devising their own shortcut, just like each sorcerer needs to make their own Inscriptions. I can see a Cantrip like this working against Free INT, since it's INT-based (not CHA-based), but being able to get Meditate-stored as usual. So the sorcerer pulls up their cantrips before adventuring, and sets them aside when not.

I'm still not sure how to disincentivize spirit magic or Rune magic in this schema. And of course, this is just thinking out loud.

On 12/12/2018 at 4:17 AM, PhilHibbs said:

Mostly it's the system of vows, they give a great indication of how the different sects view the world and their ideals of behaviour.

I guess I never got that sensation when I read the text. My reading was "here's a list of different taboos some sorcerers do or don't take." *shrug*

On 12/12/2018 at 4:19 AM, Jeff said:

If you are a *real* sorcerer, residing in an ivory tower and spending your days meditating on the cosmic laws of the universe and reading texts, why on earth are you concerned about access to quick healing?

Because standard-issue wizardly paranoia? I also personally struggle to imagine the "professor" wizard engaging in the primary RQG activity of adventuring. If you're at a place where you're not worried about injury, you're probably not engaging in that sort of risk-taking behavior consistently.

On 12/12/2018 at 4:19 AM, Jeff said:

However, your raw ability to rationally manipulate magic is based on your INT, nor your skill in any specific spell.

I know this is going to be an "agree to disagree" place, but... My feelings on the matter is that improving a sorcery spell is learning a skill like geometry or physics. At first, you have simple force diagrams algebraically describing how to build your catapult, and as you learn more you become faster at these simple tasks as well as learning to perform more complex applications of the same principles. This is like building up to fluid dynamics and differential calculus. This knowledge is intensely rational in the mechanistic way I understand Gloranthan sorcerers to be focused on logic and rationality. Yet, it's not grounded in the individual physicist or engineer's inherent INT, but rather is a skill developed through practice and experience.

My contribution to the matter, for what it's worth.

9 hours ago, boztakang said:

Beowulf was fortunate that this particular war-band was not especially loyal to Shrivok. It would be more typical for them to all pile in together against a stranger, unless they were relatively certain that the hoomie wasn't a legitimate threat.

It could well be that several members of the warband will now look to Beowulf for leadership, him having killed the previous leader. He might find that he has acquired a bit of an Uz entourage who will follow him around expecting him to lead them to suitable victims for slaughter and torture and other Zorak Zoran style fun. The angrier he gets at them for misbehaving, the more they will see him as an ideal warboss...
(just a thought that occurred to me, so I figured I'd share - not that you appear to need additional story hooks!)

neat stuff!

Thoughts and comments are definitely appreciated . A big part of it is that Shrivok wasn't the leader of the band, Grungknak was. Additionally, I viewed their "making space" more as "Ooh, dis will be fun!" than "Get outta da way!" I think that both Beowulf's player and I see his general story being "becoming a troll warlord," provided he survives long enough. Our one-sentence description of him is that Beowulf is basically a troll weeaboo...

17 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said:

I don't think that's true at all. Sorcery is built around a rigorous religious philosophy, a particular view of how the world works.

I acknowledge that seems to be how in-world sorcerers are presented, based on the Vasana's Saga passage on p.383. And my own take on RQ generally is heavily colored by a RQ3-based, Glorantha-lite home game.

That being said, my perspective comes from trying to think not just about adventurer, but also player behavior. I feel like the sympathetic magic rules create an incentive for players to behave this way. This in turn encourages adventurer behavior. On the subject of Sandy's sorcery I personally never felt they were rigorously tied to a cultural background, but I know there's a couple different versions of his rules. Is there a specific passage or version of those rules you had in mind?

The session began with Beowulf meeting Grungknak's band of comrades. He told them the story so far, but one of the trolls challenged him. His name was Shrivok, and he called Beowulf a liar, and a false worshiper of Zorak Zoran. Beowulf called upon his Devotion to augment a Berserker spell, broke the bonds Grungknak had left around his wrists, and launched an attack on Shrivok. Shrivok--a Rune Lord of ZZ (who Beowulf failed to identify by reputation, description, or Cult Lore)--cast Berserker as well after having his left arm shattered, and the rest of the trolls quickly made space around the two. While Shrivok was bigger, tougher, and more skilled than Beowulf, the human's armor helped him carry through the impromptu duel. After a few rounds of combat (and a scary special to the abdomen by Shirvok) Beowulf was left howling and bloodying the troll's corpse into a fine puree. He actually managed to roll his INTx1 to regain senses when Grungknak attempted to pull him off the corpse, and then nearly collapsed from his wounds.

When the Berserker spell ended (and the bonus to CON went away), Beowulf had exactly one hit point left.

Ultimately, I ruled that while Beowulf had definitely made some enemies among this band of trolls, he also had earned the respect of others. He behaved, as I saw it, in a very trollish way, with brutal, immediate violence. Or at least a very ZZ way. After helping him recover his wounds a bit, the trolls made plans to attack the Leadgut Clan's settlement while sending Beowulf and a priest of Gorakiki named Threng to aid Blueflower Village on giant dragonflies.

Meanwhile back at the village, Toren's Discorporation ended with a brief dip into the spirit world near the lake. He met Putilli, the lake's nymph, and helped fend off a darkness spirit who was polluting the font of her waters. Shortly after Yid (the newtling hunter run by a new player) used Summon Cult Spirit to beckon Putilli from the lake. They spoke, and while she was still weakened from the battles with darkness spirits belowground, she did offer to help the village--telling Yid to summon folk of her father Zola Fel, who she would try to bolster.

The session ended with the adventurers (sans Beowulf & Derkep) making plans to defend the village. The sun is setting, the dragonflies are soaring, and the shadows lurking...

TBH I don't think the current Sorcery chapter is complete enough for me to form a thorough opinion (it notes on p.381 that it's a "bare bones overview" anyway).

That being said, I also find it frustrating that spirit magic counts against a sorcerer's Free INT. I think part of this is that it feels like a contradiction, since no where else does spirit magic interact with INT that I can recall. Further, it seems to me like the current design intention is for sorcerers to be percentage-gaming munchkins--so why wouldn't someone with that attitude toward the world use all the tools at their disposal? I can see many sorcerers having at least Disruption and Heal 1 learned, if only for emergencies. The casting time of RQG sorcery is so slow that it's nearly suicidal not to have quick access to healing. (This assumes that the sorcerer isn't a LM initiate with access to Heal Wound as a common Rune spell.)

I should note that I see RQG sorcerers as percentage-gaming munchkins because of the ritual and sympathetic magic rules. A sorcerer's native skill in any given spell has no direct correlation with how powerfully he can cast the spell. I see this as an inherent flaw of sorcery systems based on Free INT. Consequently, the sorcerer can easily achieve high spell percentages through ritual practices and sympathetic magic, and has little need to actually exercise their spell skills. The design advantage of a Free INT system is its simplicity compared to the systems I prefer. It's quicker to understand and more new-player friendly.

My large reluctance to adopt RQG sorcery entire comes because I feel like it contradicts one of the basic design principles of BRP: as your skill goes up, you get better at doing things, and can do them more consistently. With how the spell skills are structured, there's not a huge difference between 20% and 50% spell skill. The main improvement is your odds to cast in combat--but the long casting times are a disincentive.

I have a player interested in sorcery (but who isn't yet playing a sorcerer), and I'm probably going to continue using a different sorcery system I prefer, based on Petersen's Malkionism rules. However, I have been thinking through how Rune magic, spirit magic, and sorcery interact in my Glorantha. I do agree that sorcerers should have disincentives about using Rune and spirit magic. For what it's worth my current thoughts are that each Rune point and each known point of spirit magic "fill" a sorcerer's Presence, making it unable to support sorcery spells. We're a good distance out from experimenting with this in play.

On 8/16/2018 at 10:13 AM, David Scott said:

Vishi Dunn is going to travel to the Sky World to contact the Twinstars to follow up on some troubling information.

This is a wonderful example, but... how in the world does a newb like myself come up with things like this? Apart from spending hours and hours sifting the Guide and Stafford Library and whatnot. Can we expect a Spirit World supplement at some vague point which would describe how to set this up for our players?

I've got several shaman-track adventurers in my playgroup who would be very eager to do this.

Our most recent session was this past Tuesday (the 4th) and as this inevitably goes, the adventurers are as off-rails as ever. Insert GM griping about unused prep materials here...

Tensions are mounting. After discovering the troll village deep underground, the adventurers fled back to Blueflower and raised alarm as the sun fell. The villagers bundled into the Calf's Rest Inn for a hasty defense, and spent a restless night. All of the adventurers came to the same conclusion--handling a whole village (or more) of trolls is way, way above their pay grade. They chose to send the quick-footed Shadowpaw back to New Pavis in search of reinforcements, while the rest of the party helped defend and fortify Blueflower. (Because baboons have a base MOV of 10, instead of 8.) However, a spat broke out between Shadowpaw and Beowulf; Beowulf called the baboon a coward for not leaving in the middle of the night--while trolls might be on the loose--and instead the Zorak Zorani left. Hours and hours, and many CON rolls later, Beowulf and Derkep collapsed at the side of the road back to New Pavis.

The next day, Toren and Ludic the Sneer led the villagers in hastily fortifying the settlement, in fear that the trolls might come in larger numbers. No one was sure what would happen, and the resident troll "expert" had run off in the night. That evening, Toren discorporated to scout the area for foes. Meanwhile, a new adventurer came to town--a newtling (and new player to RQG!) who's name escapes me--following a vision about water pollution. He searched the village pond, and found several small cracks in the muddy bottom. One of the larger channels had fouler water seeping forth; yet there was no sight of the nymph who had sent him this vision.

During the discorporation, Toren accidentally ran into the village's wyter, Grateful Cutting. Weakened from healing several village children this past winter, the wyter spoke with him cautiously. Once assured of Toren's reliability (through an appeal to the Truth Rune), the wyter gave him advice on how to seek aid for Blueflower from the spirit world. (I have yet to figure out what he learned--I'm thinking gaining temporary allegiance of some ancestor spirits--but would love suggestions here!)

Meanwhile, Beowulf and Derkep woke tied up beside a wagon. Beowulf snarled insults into nothing in Darktongue (reminder that he's actually a human, who basically believes he's supposed to be a troll) and caught the attention of the wagon's owner. A large, heavily armored troll by the name of Grungknak (don't make me pronounce it). They spoke for a while as Grungknak continued his own journey toward the city, to search for news of the Leadgut clan, who his own clan (the Yakrin) were feuding with over some stolen trollkin. When Grungknak heard Beowulf's story, they put the pieces together and realized that this new troll settlement was quite likely the very trolls Grungknak was searching for!

The session ended with Grungknak taking Beowulf and Derkep into the Big Rubble, to a squat tower. A stronghold of Clan Yakrin, garrisoned by many of Grungknak's companions. Next session: Rowdy Rabble in the Rubble!

(Maybe. If they don't go off-rails again.)