Rune priests, previous cults and rune points

[StephenMcG]

OK. I have a player in a Pavis campaign who was an initiate of Foundchild and became an initiate of Zola Fel.

While there is nothing explicit that says when this character became a Priest of Zola Fel he needed to give up his initiate status in Foundchild, it is practical.

My question is what then happens to the rune points dedicated to Foundchild and the runespells known?

My suspicion is that the points become single-use and can only be used for the specialist one use rune spells.

Stephen

[jajagappa]

2 hours ago, StephenMcG said:

My question is what then happens to the rune points dedicated to Foundchild and the runespells known?

My suspicion is that the points become single-use and can only be used for the specialist one use rune spells.

The Rune points remain until used. Once used, they are not replenished. I don't see any reason they couldn't be used for common or special Rune spells, but I'd expect Sanctify would always fail if attempted.

[StephenMcG]

11 hours ago, jajagappa said:

The Rune points remain until used. Once used, they are not replenished. I don't see any reason they couldn't be used for common or special Rune spells, but I'd expect Sanctify would always fail if attempted.

Is that explicitly in the rules?  I am poor at reading whole rulesets and dipping in and out is prones to missing bits...I need to rely on more diligent folk for things like this...

It makes sense and I was thinking of restricting it to specialist magic from the lost cult to ensure that what is being lost is more obvious.  🙂  I would allow it for emergency Heal type stuff...

[French Desperate WindChild]

13 hours ago, StephenMcG said:

he needed to give up his initiate status in Foundchild, it is practical.

hello, to be sure: Does the character not any more an initiate (don't worship anymore, don't follow anymore any oaths, etc...) or does he "just" stay an initiate and does he respect what is expected  for any initiate (duty and restriction, page 275 core rules book) ?

 

If he is still an initiate, there is no issue, the runepool is here

If he is no more an initiate, for me there are two options :

1) he left the cult with respect, hierarchy agreement, some sacrifice (or I don't know what good idea) to "bargain" with Foundchild his leaving. Then for me, the pc can use his  runepool as 1 use (cannot replenish the runepool). Once the runepool is 0, then the spells are lost for ever (page 282 core rules book)

2) he left the cult with disrespect. Then  there are spirits of reprisal (p282), sent by the god, and probably mundane reprisals (other hunters, etc... sent by the master hunter)

[StephenMcG]

Hmm, I have never been in favour of spirits of reprisal etc unless the disrespect was egregious.  To me it never leads to MGF.  Especially not because someone who was an initiate in two (or more) is accepted as a Priest in one of those.

I do think adding to reputation (1D3) "this bloke ditched us for Zola Fel" works for me. 

[radmonger]

A house rule I use is that in the case of a respectful transfer between cults, if a spell is available reusably to both cults, it 'transfers' to the  rune pool of the new cult. So the old run pool only contains the spells unavailable to the new cult.

For example an Orlanthi clansman might learn  Analyse Magic, Wind Words and Shield as their first three spells. Then they head off to the Jonstown library to become a full-time apprentice of  Lhankor Mhy. They drop their explicit Orlanth initiation status, not caring to keep up with double-tithing, and attending twice as many holy days. Shield becomes one-use, from  a 1 point Orlanth rune pool that will go away once used. But they now have a 3 point Lhankhor Mhy rune pool from which they can cast  Analyse Magic, Wind Words and Truespeak.

 

[French Desperate WindChild]

14 minutes ago, StephenMcG said:

Hmm, I have never been in favour of spirits of reprisal etc unless the disrespect was egregious.  To me it never leads to MGF.  Especially not because someone who was an initiate in two (or more) is accepted as a Priest in one of those.

I do think adding to reputation (1D3) "this bloke ditched us for Zola Fel" works for me. 

never say never 😛

it depends on how people play, and if there is direspect. Typically in a desperate game, when pcs have to make decision and any decision will be a betrayal of a loyalty/devotion/etc... spirit of reprisal (or mundane reprisal) may be an event of the tragedy.

 

In all cases, if the pc was initiated of Zola Fel with the agreement of Foundchild cult, a normal outcome (even if it is rare of course) is that pc may become priest of Zola Fel. In your case, if everything is done in accordance with the rules (not irl rqg rules but glorantha cults rules) no hunter can say "hey wait ! you are betraying us by accepting priesthood"... well... no hunter with enough  wisdom and without malicious intents