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    been playing RuneQuest in some form off and one since the mid-80s, been a fanatic Glorantha fan for the same length of time. Also play many other RPGs.
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    Mostly Glorantha, in all its forms.
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    Lhankor Mhy Sage according to MOB. Or is it Irripi Ontor?

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  1. Wind Child PC

    The Wind Children are also described in Anaxials Roster for HW. The claustrophobia didn't originate with Vikings, it dates right back to at least RQ2. It is always going to be an issue with play - I think most of them would never willingly enter an enclosed building, let alone go underground. I'd personally let them use their Air rune (which is pretty much mandatory) for use with Air spirit/Sylph charms pretty much for free, but it doesn't interfere with them joining theist cults (usually Air rune ones such as Orlanth).
  2. Do spirits require elemental runes

    No, usually they don't, and you should only give them an elemental rune if they have an obvious elemental association. Most spirits have only one or two associations strong enough to merit a rune. Most don't even have the Spirit rune. I tend to think of the universality of the Elemental Rune as representing the universality of physical embodiment for mortal beings. If it represents any grand cosmic truth, it is that all live mortal beings are connected to the physical body they live in, and the nature of our bodies is part of who we are.
  3. House Rules from Veterans

    I had never heard of the Chained Simple Contest variant. I strongly suspect that it, or some variant of it, will solve one of my long standing issues with RQ (which is that essentially all Extended Contest combats feel a bit samey and arbitrary).
  4. Androgeous

    Yes, I think Androgeus is a Green Age entity that has suffered a great deal in the gradual transition to modern times. It's gradual, though - Golden Age Androgeus was comparatively powerful and integrated compared to the current version.
  5. Malkion in Umathela

    Yes, to what Peter says about Vadeli. Basically, they are nihilist breakaways from the ancient West, and they are in many ways similar to the Brithini, which is a thing you should never say around Brithini. Both follow ancient caste law and are immortal as a result. The Brithini elevate that law to the basis of a rigid conservative moral code, and try to follow it as rigidly as possible in spirit as well as letter. The Vadeli treat it as simply a set of constraints to work within, and assume that everything not explicitly forbidden is permitted. Notably, their caste law says almost nothing about how you should treat those outside the caste system, so the Vadeli take this as license to enslave, torture, cheat, etc the bulk of humanity. Doesn't mean they always will, but they see only practical, not moral, reasons why they shouldn't. The castes now act more like sects perhaps, less integrated as a society than the Brithini - groups of Vadeli tend to be mostly the same caste, though they cooperate and work with each other, and you will find e.g. Red marines on Brown ships. This is probably because they lack the higher castes. All of them are cold, logical, and without any moral center. They are usually outwardly charming, but it's entirely superficial. In short, they are a race of sociopaths. The Brown are not warriors, most are traders or sailors, and do not want to lose their long lives if the can help it, so are much more likely to cheat and steal and corrupt and manipulate than use violence. Or just trade that turns out to be a bad deal. Even if they do need to fight, they often rely on magically controlled monsters, or on mercenaries. They use sorcery, and can be very good at it, but are restricted by their caste as to what sorcery they can use. Control over non-sapient beings, travel magic that can also be used for sneaky purposes, and elemental magic useful for seafaring are common choices. Most of the Umathelan cost has Brown Vadeli slums full of weird creepy merchants selling odd things, often from very far away and sometimes very old. The Red are warriors, and very violent and cruel. They also are not keen on risking their lives unnecessarily, but they are skilled, sorcerously powerful, and they fight incredibly dirty and mean and vicious and tactically smart. If your players ever end up fighting them, they should end up despising them. Like the Brown, their caste restricts what sorcery they can use, but as that means they concentrate on combat magic, that is unlikely to be seen as helpful by anyone.
  6. Umathela vs Fonrit : orlanth vs Chaos?

    I agree with Peter that the innately Chaotic nature of Fonritian society is not generally acknowledged, or was not until recently. That the more decadent elements of Fonritian society accepted Chaos was known, but seen as corrupted individuals. The tendency of Pamaltelan Chaos to appear as smaller numbers of more dangerous and more chaotic beings should not be overstated. Just as Genertela has the occasional monstrous Chaos beast like the Bat or the Hydra of the Hydra Hills or Cwim, Pamaltelan has the occasional Chaos horde of broo or nest of grue. I don't think it's likely to have much effect on the social role of Urox, that is down to other things. In particular, using Chaotic sorcery may not always make the user Chaos tainted, so while Sense Chaos is handy in general subtler skills than the Uroxi possess are needed.
  7. What was Belintar up to?

    FWIW, I remain fairly convinced that Belintars Moon connections are via the Right Arm islands, and those connections are strongly Blue Moon connected as the deity of tidal powers. I think the geography of the Right Arms is that a lot of it is tidal flats. I do think the sort of immortality through group consciousness that both Belintar and the Red Emperor practice is something that requires Illumination, and probably deeper mystic insight beyond that. It requires giving up attachment to the ego, which is a classic high mystic attainment, and then probably magical efforts beyond that.
  8. Androgeous

    Joerg, read the quote from Sandy above - Androgeus is now very conflicted about his gender, but she was not always that way.
  9. Bits of Glorantha you ignore

    Nasobemes. I just literally have no idea. Anything that's too overtly science fictional. I quite like the grotarons though. I have more frustrations about what isn't there, including temperate broadleaf non-deciduous Aldryami.
  10. Lunar Taboos

    'You don't understand we just want to make the world better under our control. The problem is all those people who resist, they are the reason why we have to kept murdering and hurting people.'
  11. Androgeous

    It is very tempting to connect Androgeus to the various Pelorian hermaphrodite Gods and demons in some way - e.g. Jernotius, the Suvarian barzkarto, etc.
  12. Lunar Taboos

    Wakboth got squashed by the Block and Kajabor was eaten by Arachne Solara to become time. They aren't an expression of chaos in Glorantha anymore - no worshippers, just concepts. http://www.glorantha.com/docs/kajabor/ I think of Kajabor as a Western concept, and when they say he was eaten and became time, they are on the one hand saying Kajabor was destroyed as a separate Independent Eranschula, but on the other hand in that process became confirmed as an intrinsic part of the universe. Now the universe is always broken. When Kajabor was alive, he could be fought, but now he is halted, but ever present. Everything is a bit wrong (entropy and division) and there are cracks where the brokenness can't be ignored (Chaos). Kajabor is the reluctant, despairing acceptance that the Fifth Action made our world. And of course he is just a concept. Personalising a concept to be a being is an Error, even more than it would be for a benign concept like Storm. Wakboth is a bit more complex. Wakboth as the great God of Chaos is the ultimate foe is a theist concept probably. But the Brithini understood moral evil and entropy as the same power manifesting in different ways (it's all just the manifestation of Error, which became the Devil). So didn't even think of Kajabor of having separate existence, and yet the God Learners synthesized this with Theyalan myth to treat them as two beings. I think most Westerners not corrupted by God Learnerism, probably most non-Theyalans, think the idea that moral evil was defeated by a bovine squashing it with a big rock to be a laughably confused typical bit of theist nonsense, displaying the level of sophisticated understanding you would expect of... well, cattle. Land of course they are expressed in Glorantha. By Malkions sacrifice etc they were smashed as independent, rebellious, Eranschula. And thus the world was saved. But they still exist as principles which exist in the world, and sorcerers who are wicked enough to directly access the Chaos rune (or even indirectly, as Vadeli are assumed to do essentially by their every magical act) can access that power. (FWIW, for Chaotic sorcery, rather than demonology per se (which can just be literally demonized paganism), I generally go to the idea of the qlippoth applied to the Runes - the broken inverted reverse of the runes. )
  13. Lunar Taboos

    Even if you are granted immunity, you are a carrier. It's kind like saying a Ponzi scheme isn't bad, because it works for those inside the scheme. Or waging aggressive continual war on your neighbors isn't bad, as long as you treat them nicely if they surrender. Pretty nihilist, really. but hey, maybe you are right. There are certainly people in Glorantha who claim you can interact with Malia in non-Chaotic ways. Some of them might even be right. But the majority of her worshippers (especially broo) accept immunity in the spirit of 'I'm alright, so who cares if you die hideously?'
  14. Lunar Taboos

    Chaos includes both moral evil (Wakboth) and the intrinsic brokenness of the universe (Kajabor). The former is a result of nihilism, the latter shows nihilism is justified because we live in a world without moral law. But it's circular. Without the chaos cults, and the moral wickedness of eg the Unholy Trio, the non-sentient forms of chaos like gorp etc might have stayed outside the world. The Void or the Pre-Dark are scary but part of the metaphysics of creation - it's when Chaos intrudes into creation, sentient or not, that it becomes dangerous, and that may not be something that happens without magic that makes it so. Without Pocharngo, would there be gorp at all?
  15. Lunar Taboos

    Chaos is nihilist, basically. Chaotic beings do awful things for two reasons 1) they gain power or pleasure or other perceived advantage to themselves by doing so and/or 2) why not? Chaos rejects all law and morality. It is, itself, not just a rejection of law and morality as we know it, but natural law. Chaos says, in a world steeped in and sustained by magic, magic that depends on, and is controlled by, subjective understanding, every law and moral principle we know may be meaningless. Of course, many chaotic beings don't understand it at that intellectual level. Most of them just know that something is wrong inside and they hate everything. An Illuminated chaotic being knows that they aren't wrong, just different, and they may not hate everything. But they still have a somewhat nihilist core worldview, or at least, know (at a deep, innate level) that there are no objective laws and morals. Some over come this by finding a moral centre based in a subjective, usually carefully reasoned, understanding of the universe , and only commit atrocities if if is considered absolutely necessary (most Arkati or Darudists, etc), some do not and find no reason not to commit atrocities if there is some perceived value in it to them. Sometimes they never find any sort of centre and basically go mad. Which exact category the Lunars, or any given illuminate for that matter, falls into is a matter of debate.
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