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  1. Sun County by Avalon Hill

    No. Hazia is a canon drug and mentioned in the Guide p447. As for the cultist, canon has better things to do with its time than determining whether a single initiate exists or not.
  2. Bits of Glorantha you ignore

    The SF flying machine appeared in a scenario and was only speculatively identified as Feldichi. The Scenario even went to far as say that it could have come from the Dawn Age, the EWF, the Gbaji Wars or the God Learner culture. It's still far too SF for my liking and I would have made it into something like a floating piece of sky rock that rises depending on how much light is shone upon it and sinks if it gets wet. The original artifacts in Greg's writing - the singing warding markers, the translating scrolls and the unmelting ice - do not appear science fictionally to me. My biggest grumble is wondering how did the Dorastrans get from these artifacts and the pseudocosmic egg to the God Project?
  3. Bits of Glorantha you ignore

    Maidstone Archers. Nasobemes.
  4. The Storm God is Humakt (and there may be some confusion with Humat). Since these are late texts composed a thousand years after the original events, errors in the text (like Arkat's mother becoming a Queen) are understandable.
  5. Found in the Fortunate Succession p20 with comment on p92
  6. Notes on the Red Cow/Coming Storm

    Perhaps she went too far in that feud and the Maboder would not settle unless she were also exiled?
  7. Umathela vs Fonrit : orlanth vs Chaos?

    IMO the chaotic permissiveness of Fonritan religion is something that has only just been realized (previously a Big Secret among the Rulers, the Vadeli made it known to everyone) and the communities are still coming to terms with it. It's not as if they have a well-developed philosophy about the purpose and use of chaos as the Lunars do. The Orlanthi may have damned certain Fonritans as chaotics (just as they may have damned their own) but the idea that the entire religion might be (or, to be more precise, could become) chaos-friendly is something that has yet to sink in.
  8. Malkion in Umathela

    Linealist Hrestoli? The Linealists (no Hrestoli) only appear in Book 1 of the Genertela Boxed set contrasted against the Hrestoli Idealists and haven't appear since. Apart from the issues of rushed writing that has not been repeated since (no such conflict appears in the Seshnegi Kings List), the idea that a faith split over the issue of inheritance I feel to be rather strange (not as strange as the idea that a knightly family could serve the same noble family for a thousand years strange but still pretty suspension-of-disbelief-breaking IMO). I think it wiser to say that variants of Hrestoli mysticism and Abiding Book communities are still found on the Malki coast.
  9. Malkion in Umathela

    Generally the Vadeli are evil. Greg once used the Cainists as an inspiration (a perhaps fictitious Gnostic sect which held that the since of the God of the Old Testament was really the Devil, anything he prohibited - murder etc - was actually good). The Vadeli have castes of which two are known to exist - the numerous Browns (Commoners) and the rarer Reds (Warriors). I'm not sure that it is. It may be. It may not be. The only people who know for sure are the Silent and they are not talking. Ompalam is a supreme god. A cryptic note in revealed mythologies (p49) suggests that he may have come from Oabil which may mean that he was originally a Vadeli philosophy. Worshippers of Ompalam often worship other gods but they acknowledge Ompalam's supremacy. No, I was suggesting that they speak a different language and they have a slightly different society. They do but the names might be slightly different. Orlanth might be known as Worlath or Baraku for example.
  10. Malkion in Umathela

    The Vadeli and the Cult of Silence. Perhaps Ompalam too. A couple of others are mentioned in the Umathela section. The daughters of Menena Guide p641 and the Son of Chaos p633 (although I feel the authors missed a chance to call him Demogorgon because the original was a Christian author's mispelling of Demiurge). I daresay there's a few other unnamed cults but none are so widespread as the Sedalpists. The section on the Sedalpists (Guide p623) mentions a post God-Learner esotericism which if still around be considered an alternative. I'm not actually sure they have thanes. But even assuming you meant people of similar social roles. In Umathela, everybody would believe that the Invisible God exists. Worshipping him is something else and that's generally done only by the wizards (Seshnela and Loskalm which try and ban the worship of other gods are exceptional). So the real marker of whether somebody could be considered a Malkioni is whether or not he supports a wizard or practices caste.
  11. Mythical Pamaltela

    This does indeed conflict with the assumed long-lived empire of the Indigo Conqueror, but I thought that Afati might have intervened in a succession struggle after Jarkaru's demise, and temporarily have conquered Kungatu and Mondator before moving north. The trouble is that it requires a simple statement be turned into a convoluted explanation. The text doesn't mention Kungatu or Mondator not does the dictionary. Kungatu gets destroyed by the Firefall not conquered by Afati. The Agimori of Laskal and Baruling, the parts of Fonrit without any Veldang population? What do you mean? There were Artmali living in the region before Afati came and I think they remained as slaves after he conquered the land. It is only the Artmali north of the Wall Mountains that remain free. You are going to have to explain the remark about the non-drinker. If its a reference to lineages than I fail to see why Afati or other Tishamotoans should not have medicine plant lineages. And why wouldn't Afati be worshipped in Laskal?
  12. Mythical Pamaltela

    This does indeed conflict with the assumed long-lived empire of the Indigo Conqueror, but I thought that Afati might have intervened in a succession struggle after Jarkaru's demise, and temporarily have conquered Kungatu and Mondator before moving north. The trouble is that it requires a simple statement be turned into a convoluted explanation. The text doesn't mention Kungatu or Mondator not does the dictionary. Kungatu gets destroyed by the Firefall not conquered by Afati. The Agimori of Laskal and Baruling, the parts of Fonrit without any Veldang population? What do you mean? There were Artmali living in the region before Afati came and I think they remained as slaves after he conquered the land. It is only the Artmali north of the Wall Mountains that remain free. You are going to have to explain the remark about the non-drinker. If its a reference to lineages than I fail to see why Afati or other Tishamotoans should not have medicine plant lineages. And why wouldn't Afati be worshipped in Laskal?
  13. Mythical Pamaltela

    Still the maps show Oabil as south of the Fense mountains, and Chir north of it, and west of the Jungle. Poto and Chir are mentioned in the Vadeli chapter, while Oabil is the Pamaltelan term, so I would assume Poto to be identical with the Oabil in the maps. Oabil is what the source text (Revealed Mythologies p49) referred to and that is why I used it. I really don't see why labelling down the precise extent of Poto, Chir and Oabil to be at all necessary when all that is needed is a convenient name for the Vadeli Kingdom to the west of Fonrit. More evidence that the maps are crap for this particular area, no? In any case the problems of the Gendarans with the sea are hardly relevant to who is living in Fonrit at the relevant time.
  14. Mythical Pamaltela

    Looking at the map of the Flood Age, Tishamto and Gendara form out of the Jungle, possibly cleared by the initial impact of the Sevasbos invasion into that forest. Interestingly, the forest surrounding the Spike's base (piercing through the Earth) now is the Greenwood rather than Yellow Elf jungle. Umm. Recheck your map. Tishamto is in the south of Pamaltela and not the north. The maps may suggest that Gendara was formed out of the Jungle but I don't believe in the maps. Gendara is the Loral Isles and the first Torrential War is the flooding of the lowlands. You did not get the impression from the map, true, but then this makes the huge assumption that the God Learner map is a correct and true representation of the geography of the period. But it is a God Learner construction from the myths and the indication here and elsewhere is that the God Learners simply didn't understand the myths very well (for example their placement of the Heron Hegemony near Slon rather than Darjiin). Bredjeg is never mentioned anywhere else apart from this Veldang myth. The Sky Wars mentioned appear to have seen Tolat and Lorion on the same side, united against Bredjeg. Yes and? You are reaching again. You should be saying the only cognate that you can recall. In any case Bredjeg is a Storm God and he is a cognate of Umath and Oorsu Sara. Where is this stated? Orlanth is not mentioned in the relevant sections on the Zaranistangi or the Artmali.
  15. Mythical Pamaltela

    Did they have a shore there, then? Or did Yeetai's cloud ships land on some inland body of water? As I said above, I believe the shoreline in Fonrit is pretty much close to current Fonrit. Where the mythical maps and the current maps differ, I tend to go with current geography. For example. it makes better sense to have Bandaku as being the island of Kanem Dar then it is to have it far out into the sea with no remaining connection to known geography. What are your indications for placing these obscure places in Fonrit, other than to make this fit your theory? My interpretation (which has Bandaku as the Hard Earth or Kanem Dar) does differ from the text which suggests that the entire land is Bandaku. I should observe that between the isles of Kanem Dar and the Inland Sea is the land of Yrania from whence the Moon-worshipping Yranians came. According to the Mythical Maps of the Breaking of the World and the Grey Age, there were no water bodies inland of the -guyas at the Dawn. You seriously suggest the mythical maps of that place to be geograpically correct? Why then is it called the Inland Sea when it is pretty much more exposed to the open ocean than the Mirrorsea?
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