SJB Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Apologies if this question has already been posed and answered. On the classic RQ2 William Church map of Dragon Pass there is a ruin symbol where the road from Whitewall to Jansholm crosses the Marzeel River. What is the ruin the symbol represents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 hour ago, SJB said: On the classic RQ2 William Church map of Dragon Pass there is a ruin symbol where the road from Whitewall to Jansholm crosses the Marzeel River. What is the ruin the symbol represents? Proportions and locations, particularly in that area, are a bit distorted. The crossing of the Marzeel is at Smithstone, which is not a ruin. But there is a ruined EWF city near the point where the Creek-Stream River and the Marzeel used to meet in the Blackwind Marsh, which would be Jisteel. (see King of Sartar p.157). In my view of Jisteel, it is mostly foundations, half-submerged in the swamp. Given the proximity to the Shadow Plateau, likely home to feral trollkin, crocodiles, giant frogs (like the traskars in Borderlands), occasional newtlings. Jisteel was an EWF city, so there might be draconic things stirred up with the Dragonrise. A better view of the region is in the Argan Argar Atlas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJB Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Thanks. I would never have got that in a month of Sundays. I see what you mean about the classic and modern representations not necessarily matching up. One wonders what guidance Mr. Stafford gave Mr. Church. (For anyone else watching in black-and-white, Jisteel appears on p. 182 of the 1992 edition of KoS.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) On 9/11/2021 at 2:05 PM, jajagappa said: A better view of the region is in the Argan Argar Atlas. You might also find these helpful: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/websites/facebook/2019-11-jeff-on-facebook/#ib-toc-anchor-7 now https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/north-esrolia-and-the-shadow-plateau/ Edited February 28 by David Scott updated link 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJB Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Thank you. Apart from the useful maps, I noted this comment: “Greg and I hated the treatment of the God Learners and the EWF by MRQ2. Hated it passionately.” So EWF ruins seem to have been an issue about which Mr. Stafford felt strongly. He chose to place six ruins on the 1978 map, so I assume they were of particular importance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 9/11/2021 at 6:56 PM, David Scott said: You might also find these helpful: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/websites/facebook/2019-11-jeff-on-facebook/#ib-toc-anchor-7 ANy idea when the link has gone? I'm interested in the maps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, ajs said: ANy idea when the link has gone? I'm interested in the maps Probably one of these: Dragon Pass Maps – The Well of Daliath (chaosium.com) Core homelands Maps – The Well of Daliath (chaosium.com) Esrolia Sketch Maps – The Well of Daliath (chaosium.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, ajs said: ANy idea when the link has gone? I'm interested in the maps I integrated all of Jeff’s posts on Facebook into the site. As you can see from the url, it’s a November 2019 post. So have a search on the site using November 2019 map esrolia. The posts are all tagged. this one. https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/north-esrolia-and-the-shadow-plateau/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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