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Neat, thanks!

Thanks! That's probably how I'll end up doing it too, mostly. But I'll cook up some mechanics of my own just for fun.

Yep, I found those threads, and they're great! But I still feel like I'm missing something. What I was looking for is a mechanical step, e.g. something like 'Lethargic Saxons: add 1d6 to Grudge Score for each refusal, raids occur at Grudge above 10 and drop Grudge by 2, invasion occurs at Grudge 15.' (I know I could come up with something on my own, or just feel it out based on the narrative, but with the table and text in GPC it feels like there is an intended mechanical implementation that didn't get fully spelled out.)

I imagine this was discussed on the old forums, but I haven't yet found a thread for it. Does anyone have advice for how to apply the 'Grudge score' suggestion for tracking Saxon aggression during the Anarchy (GPC, page 71)?

My mistake! Sorry about the confusion.

Yeah, that's why I said upthread that Morien had made me rethink to fumbles instead of failures.

Thanks for the background!

But I wasn't planning to remove the 'success in a significant situation' option. (I didn't think I needed to actually spell that out.) RAW: 1. Critical success 2. GM's decision (e.g. 'success in a significant situation') The house rule I was considering: 1. Failure or critical success 2. GM's decision (e.g. 'success in a significant situation') So for skill 20 or higher, this is the same as RAW, no? (I'm guessing that option 2 was included in the RAW partly to help with the issue faced by Sir Aelfric the Boating Knight.)

But that's the same as in the standard rules, isn't it?

Thanks, Morien. Your link also makes me guess that the £8 minimum figure in the core book might be a carryover from an earlier edition with a later starting period (I couldn't figure out how it added up from the equipment list).

Landlords can collect money for the four universal aids (KAP 5.2, page 188). "When the aid is imposed by a lord knight, each of the lord’s vassals pays an amount equal to the average yearly income of his primary holding." Vassal knights are landlords, but they don't have landed vassals themselves (at least to start with); how much can they get? My guess is to keep it at the value of a starting manor, i.e. 10 libra, which is enough to cover the 8-libra minimum for a new knight and have a bit over for a small feast. Is that reasonable? (That would make things more difficult in later periods, but I'll cross that bridge when/if I come to it.)

Would it be fair to assume that a starting courser is battle-trained, at least (e.g. for the Master of the Hunt pregen in the core book)?

I see! Thanks for that.

On page 11, in table 1.5, shouldn't Hantonne and Chichester have a 'Future Saxon Kingdom' note? (That is, 'Future Saxon Kingdom; will be conquered during the Anarchy Period (Appendix B)', same as Caerwent and Norwich on page 9.)

Maybe this thread? http://kapresources.wpengine.com/Pendragon Forum Archive/index.php/t-1904.html

It's minor, but on page 275: 'Prince Idres of Totnes, whose father was the previous King of Cornwall, feels slighted by Aurelius and Riothamus, even though Riothamus marries Idres’ sister and makes Idres his heir.' I think the bold text should be 'marries his sister to Idres', to match page 105 and the family tree on page 66. (In 457 Riothamus marries Triphine, the sister of Meliau, King of Vannetais; this connection is also mentioned on pages 98 and 106.)

I'm pretty sure when GPC says 'king of Cornwall and Brittany', it really means 'king of Cornwall and western Brittany' or 'king of Cornwall and Cornish Brittany' (Domnonie, Cornouailles and possibly Leon). BoS has him as 'King of Cornwall and Domnonie', as Riothamus's heir; he doesn't have any claim to Vannetais, as far as I can tell. Vannetais is in charge of all of Brittany until the Cornish refugees (and/or Irish, following jeff above) start showing up in the relatively unpopulated western and northern parts, and then it appears to basically cede control of those parts to them. I did find a high kingship reference on page 143, though it's in the context of the power struggle after Idres's death. Again, I think that's about Cornwall and western Brittany. For some dates, King Meliau of Vannetais conquers Domnonie in 471 (pursuing a weak claim via Triphine, Meliau's sister and Riothamus's widow); Idres takes Domnonie and Cornouailles in 476-9. These (and Leon) may still have their own kings in the Uther period, and/or Vannetais may be paying tribute to Idres, to explain 'lesser kings of Brittany' in the GPC sidebar on page 25. Idres never actually conquers Vannetais, as far as I can tell. After Idres dies in 513, his son Mark inherits his holdings in Cornwall and (western) Brittany. Mark and his vassal Hoel, Duke of Cornouailles (one time called king in GPC, but I think that's an error) are fighting a war with King Conon of Vannetais around 536. Mark and Tristram are also taking castles in Leon in 546, according to GPC; I'm not sure who they're fighting, but it might just be local rebel lords. Cool! Thanks for that.

Of course! Yep, GPC has Ector de Maris being conceived after Bedegraine in 510 (page 133), though GPC describes Maris as a lordship rather than a kingdom.

Going by GPC page 126, Roestoc is also known as Elmet. (On page 121 Elmet is mentioned as a people or tribe allied with Malahaut, so it could be something like Elmet is the tribal name and Roestoc is the regional name.) As Elmet it shows up as an allied kingdom on some of the political maps for 519 and after (page 183); it's still around in 555 and 563. (It's also mentioned under the Conisbrough tournament in 549.) Given the position of the 'Maris' label on the map on page 127, I'd guess the lordship of Maris is part of Elmet. (Leeds, Castleford, Doncaster and Conisborough are in Elmet. That could also fit the page 183 map, maybe?) The Humber is usually the southern border of Malahaut, I think. As Maris is the lordship of the Humber marsh folk, its lord might pay homage to both Elmet and Malahaut for the lands south and north of the river, or maybe it's just mainly on the south side. (The latter also kind of fits the 5.2 core book map.) I'd say Pase falls with Lestroite and Rouse in the Pennines/West Cumbria tribal wilderness that generally shows up as a blank white patch on the political and event maps. I think these all remain independent through Arthur's reign, though under varying influence from Malahaut. Amans is probably the southern bulge of this white region, west of Elmet on the 519 map. (The above is mainly going by GPC. The Book of Uther has the names in notably different positions, but 4e Perilous Forest roughly lines up with GPC. Amans and Pase are also mentioned as independent kingdoms in Savage Mountains, which covers 531-544.) EDIT: As for Brittany, Aurelius and Uther go to Vannetais (according to the Book of Sires). Idres is of the Cornovii in the Kingdom of Cornwall, not Brittany. Vannetais is the oldest of the Cymric kingdoms in Brittany (since 395); that's why the kings of Vannetais are also called the kings of Brittany before other kingdoms are founded there. (There's not a high kingship of Brittany, as far as I can tell.) Domnonie is founded in 457, Cornouailles in 468. (I can't find info on Leon in GPC or BOS, but drawing on the possible historical and fictional parallels, my first thought is that Leon was settled by folk from Lyonesse. These could be Dumnonii who were driven out of Lyonesse by the Irish in the early fifth century, but as they don't join up with Domnonie, maybe they are bolstered in the 450s by families from both of the Cornish tribes (as well as some of the expelled Irish) who were sick of the Cornovii-Dumnonii wars and didn't want to choose one side or ther other.)

Thanks!

I'm going to steal a bunch of these! How big are the extra bonuses you give towards marriage Glory for wealth etc.?

Yeah, these are neat, Username. I'm keen to see the 519 map!

A while back I downloaded hundred maps for Clarence, Glevum and Rydychan. Were there any other hundred maps on the old site? (I can't find the relevant page in the Wayback Machine.)

Yeah, I was going to mention the age factor as well, but I figured that wasn't worth modelling. It's neat that your system does kind of do that, though, and it's certainly easier to have everything in one roll.

It's a minor point, but that twin incidence strikes me as a bit high. Modern incidence for the UK population, for example, is about 15 multiple births out of 1000 births (2004 data), and that is likely to be higher than for historical populations. I'm counting it as a 1% chance per live birth event for my game.