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    Longtime roleplayer, grew up with parents as players.
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    Fan of cthulhu and glorantha.

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  1. (Note: This post will purely be how I handle things in my Glorantha, in the hopes it's useful/interesting. If anything is offensive within, let me know so I can learn where and how I've messed up and correct my thinking.) In Orlanthi society, Sex =/= Gender =/= Runes, although there are some connections that people will make between them, and misapprehensions because of that. For example: many stereotypes associated with genders are the result of runes. A high affinity for the Air Rune makes you more passionate, violent, and unpredictable, and since most Orlanthi men have a high Air Rune, confusion has happened as to what's the cause and what's the effect. Women can have high Air Runes too, and will be as passionate, unpredictable, and prone to violence as anyone else. Those with a high affinity for Darkness will have a tendency to be cruel and secretive, and will easily get a reputation as such, those with a high affinity for the Moon Rune would have a drive towards seeking spiritual liberation (I would also note that menstruation is almost certainly tied to a different celestial body than the Moon.) Likewise, we know the Orlanthi record four sexes (male bodied, female bodied, neuter bodied, and intersex bodied) and at least six genders (female, male, nandan, vingan, helering, and none). Following on from this, as sex and gender is seen as separated, I would say that the idea of vingan gendered individuals as being transmen is not (at least IMG) the case, and that transgendered individuals are still accepted, and while sometimes confused by outsiders, recognised as having a different role. Or in other words, there are men born in the bodies of women, vingans born in the bodies of women, and vingans born in the bodies of men. And this is separate to cult membership. Someone vingan gendered does not have to be a member of Vinga's cult. Vinga is open to a wide variety of members, and although there is undeniably a certain level of expectation for vingan individuals to join Vinga's cult that's simply through tradition. Both Vinga's and Babeester's cults are open to vingans, women regardless of their bodies, and include some helerings and agender individuals as well. It's just that without knowing everyone who's a member, people make assumptions and judgements. Such as the assumption that Babeester Gori cannot love, have children or have sex. Some God Learner scribe noted that down after interviewing (some might say interrogating) some cult members who were agender or simply asexual and gave their reasoning. And simply because it fit their ideas, the scribe noted it as a fact for all.
  2. Didn't stop the real Arkat when he met the real Arkat. Of course, given how many superheroes have turned out to be other ones under different masks (Marvel's Thor has also been Siegfried for example), viewing them as being switchable has nothing to do with them as divine forces or advanced aliens. A mask is a mask, regardless of who's or what's behind it.
  3. Of course, to make matters worse, in some of the conventions, Greg mentioned the Lunar belief that Orlanth worship was misapplied worship of Shargash! (At least according to panel transcripts in conbooks.)
  4. Dayzatar's cult practice self mummification, and in many respects Dayzatar himself is a mummified god, remaining undecayed through his purity. Much of his cult's magic consists of ascetic practices and rituals that refute some part of impure living, such as "Consume only Sunlight," or "See only Truth," which eventually leave the Dayzatari Priest unable to move, talk, blink, or do anything other than stare at the sun in a state of living death, their bodies dried and withered, mouthing prayers until their spirits are called away to join Dayzatar himself. This practice helped inspire the Retirement Towers used by some Sun Dome Temples.
  5. Unicorn was one of the sons of Storm Bull who followed his family into Prax, fighting against Chaos, and romancing the daughters of Eiritha. Unicorn was the most like his father, for Unicorn was a lover and a fighter, who hated Chaos with a passion that his brothers lacked. But that passion prevented him from finding a partner. He found no one who shared his pure hatred, and so although he had many lovers, he was never joined with the marriage bond to any of them. And so the Unicorn is a half-beast, only males like their father, who romance Eiritha's other beasts to find love for a while, before returning to their lonely vigil. At least that's how Unicorn tells it. His brothers instead tell of their little, lazy brother, who always comes around to mooch off their families, drinking their koumiss, and eating their food. He's a great storyteller and romanticist, and so he's always got a bevy of young bulls and cows who want to go with him, to their parent's displeasure. After the contest, Unicorn and his sons were left alone, without protectors. He claimed he needed none, but his brother Waha knew better. He went among the tribes, seeking volunteers to guard a beast that produced nothing, and took everything. Among the tribes, there were those unsatisfied with Waha's plan for their life. They agreed to leave their homes and protect the Unicorns, in exchange for being able to choose their way of life. Waha agreed, knowing there was no way that Unicorn could be protected by people following his way, and introduced them to Unicorn as those who would follow his lonely battle against Chaos, while teaching them how to best trick Unicorn into following their instructions. And so the Unicorn Women found a way to live their lives. And the Unicorns found protectors, while still believing they were perfect. And Waha found a way to deal with those who would not be happy with his plan, and appear generous. And everyone was happy. -- A myth told by the Bison tribe.
  6. While this may fit more into the Heretical Glorantha thread, Dara Happa Stirs for Mongoose RuneQuest had an interestingly different origin myth for Shargash, where he was originally named Sentin, and was an eater of the garbage of the sky. It's possible Sentin the Green became Shargash the Red as disruption came to the skies.
  7. Of course, I'm pretty convinced Dara Happa may divide the colour Red into two: a bright shining Red "Ruf" and a dull bloody Red "Shar". (Which isn't unheard of. Orange and Brown are essentially just light and dark versions of each other.)
  8. Minlister is nandani gendered, along with some of their cultists, given how brewing has typically been seen as feminine work.
  9. That's how Brithini Talars in Arolanit defend themselves (Guide to Glorantha page 408), well, at least the more liberal ones. The Rokari seem even more liberal, with kings and princes having swords (ibid, page 412 mentions them) and while the weapons of the "heavily-armed cataphracts" raised from the Talars (ibid, page 407) aren't explicitly described, lances don't seem out of the realm of probability.
  10. Well, it's been a year, and now there's a second collection of clan questionnaires been produced by us, and available at the Jonstown Compendium. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/363702/Alakorings-Legacy This one covers the Orlanthi of Tarsh and Aggar in greater detail, as well as the Tusk Riders.
  11. Well, I've seen it elsewhere, but it only makes things more confusing. That same chestplate is worn by the Golden Men, in the rituals of Nyalda Marriage Maker and Elmal Path Guardian. Golden Men can also be found in the lands of the Forosilvuli, and gift you because solar people need to stick together. In the ritual of Nyalda Marriage Maker, you can gift them gold, and they'll use it to make more Golden Men. It's possible they're actually Gold Wheel Dancers, who lived in the mountains south of the Forosilvuli, and had a connection to golden coins (with some saying that the Wheel coins were originally their remains I believe?) and one was brought back through worship of gold. This doesn't necessarily help us locate Relandar, but due to a connection in iconography there could be a connection to Lokarnos. Like the Gold Wheel Dancers, he is associated with gold and wheels. But he is also the Counting God (Glorantha Sourcebook page 103), and was once known as the Timekeeper (Guide page 647) for helping people tell the time in the Grey Age. It could be possible that Relandar may have had some connection to Lokarnos that has been lost, when his transportation and trade aspects became more valuable than his records and social engineering.
  12. Same, and there's no reason not to use it. Just have to figure out a way that works for your campaign. Let's start with Oshjalaba. They're unlikely to be the Stream itself, as the Stream is usually depicted as Engizi's brother. What could be fun is some maps (Such as Sartar: Kingdom of Heroes 283, or the Land of Thunder map) show a tributary of Kjartan's Lake which acts as a border between the Balmyr and the Quivini mountains. This doesn't exist on other maps, so you could have it be Oshjalaba's Stream, forgotten due to the general powers of forgetfulness in the area. Oshjalaba's a neriad, daughter of the Stream and yet friendly with sorcerers due to kinship with Malkion. She acts as the Chapter's wyter, through a deal with the leader of the sorcerers. The White Chapel of Purity's write up mentions it was originally founded in the Dawn Age by a group of Malvonian adepts. Malvonians are described here, and are sorcerers who have the power to repel Erasanchula and the like, giving examples of their spells. Given the healing focus of the band, it's likely that their particular spells dealt with *disease* spirits, with spells like Remain Untouched by Disease and Dispel Disease Spirit. This also gives them a useful role, because of different way their magic work, they're effectively an unexpected threat for disease. Their strict rules include avoiding blood (which results in their pacifism), vegetarianism, and celibacy, trying to maintain purity through this. It also means that those who do stumble across them may mistake them for Chalana Arroyists at first.
  13. I imagine there may have been a bit of an interesting conversation when someone realised they'd betrayed the guy who killed the previous Mask.
  14. If you do still want to use Atrox and his school, a better place for him than Black Horse County would be Seshnela itself. Given his book was a strict text, which was later superseded by the Abiding Book, but probably has a lot more in common with the Sharp version. It's association with the order of black iron echoes the school of Iron Blood in Segurane, and while the guide notes other Malkioni schools are subject to varying degrees of repression, a fellow school of wizard ascetics would fit in nicely. What we have as his details even works nicely: An early follower of Malkion, who saw his betrayal and death by rebellious gods, and wrote down what he saw. While his followers agree with the Rokari that one needs to obey your caste laws to achieve Solace, the Atroxics further hold that mortification of spirit and flesh is needed. They probably don't get on well with nobility, but you might find a sorcerer who follows those harsh laws trying to instruct some peasants somewhere. You could even connect it to the World of Losers movement found in Ralios, with Atrox being the first Hideous Saint.
  15. So it's more likely for there to be an Ascended Master of Economics and Governance, who wrote a great grimoire similar to the Arthashastra?
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