Bleddyn

Right on brother! 1st edition is still the best in my eyes as well!

Some scholars have pointed out that Gildas may have omitted it for political reasons. After all he was very busy pointing out the other rulers flaws.

Gildas was to busy bashing the other kings for a plethora of sins. Yes and as you have clearly pointed out the stories as old as they are are re-written for a its contemporary audience. So in the translation from one generation to the next... small details and pieces change. But I am not a literature detective, I think though that I am clever enough to see the remnants of the told tales in the above mentioned works. Beowulf is a clear example of it. Old pagan collection of heroic tales rewritten in a christian context.

There was a bbc program that illuminated the last point you made.... it pointed out political and trade contacts with Byzantium, a higher fluency of Latin, etc... so I agree it wasn't so dark in Britain. I have to ask why Arthur is such a sticking point with so many people when I have posted about several other documented personalities.... it would be an age or Era oriented supplement. Also thanks for the well wishes.

I have played the 1/2 Melnibonean merc and an Eshmirian warrior-priest (fav char)

Bump 24 views I guess people really didn't enjoy it yikes.

thx making the purchase

Okay here is the dumb question. When you speak of Moding the BRP can I mod it for Stormbringer 1st-nth edition? This meaning I have to input the races, Weapons, Skills and such? Second Dumb Question is anyone running this on MAC OS X 10.4 or higher are they using Crossover Mac?

Does anyone still love, play and or want to shoot the breeze about it? I just broke out my 1st edition that has yellow pages and is smelling of moth balls.... God I love this game.... My perfect Stormbringer RPG edition would be 1st edition rules with the Unmapped East magic spheres, 4th ed/Elric!Spells, MRQ- background skills, Please share what you loved or disliked and experienced?

Exactly that what I wanted to build it on ......and the sketchy historical and archeological evidence of the time period. By the way I have all the above said welsh lit on my iphone kindle app Guess now with all the flap I am going to have to write it!

Bede and Gildas (especially the latter) still need to be taken with some circumspection "the age of tyrants" c.400-600 ad in Britain is directly attributed to him; and he (gildas) is writing from a church/ecclesiastical point of view. Bede on the other hand I can't comment on nor have I read much criticism about him. Its a shame to think the vikings may have destroyed records that may have weathered the test of time and shed more light on the subject.

Beda and gildas granted, but the bardic tradition is heroic can we agree on that?

Great here we go ..... I am not getting into it. Simple fact the literature of the time period 450 -700 AD is heroic. Arthur whether fantasy, fusion ( most likely), or by slim chance a real man has defiantly made his mark on the English speaking world's culture and pysch. As far as the "fluff and puff" comment... it must have rubbed you the wrong way .... sorry if it did.

For me it is Vortigern of Gwent or Powys ( I can't remember off the top of my head), Uriens of Rheged ( got his head sawed off by a rival brythonic king's assassin) and as I Have mentioned before Rydderech Hael of Ystradclud

Huzzah... Keeping the faith

Thanks for the back up there buddy

Thanks for the mention I will have to look for it.

Knight/Penteulu/or come-whatever (germanic hearthtroop) I still think there is a big difference between the equestrian order (knights ) of roman culture and post roman cutlure and the knights of the mediveal romances. I agree I don't think he is/was Sarmatian and that movie king arthur sucked hairy bachi balls. Keira Knightly was cute though.

rust sounds Awesome.... the Teutonic order and the Livonian Orders rough nasty and dark .... just the way I like it.

I have the D20 Pdf's ( I hate d20... but it is reference point as well as some of the pendragon material does touch some the Dark Age myths Also Looking at the time I know most of the europeans are hitting the rack I hope to talk again with you guys tomorrow.

Done..... no wrist slitting and we are not fighting over my wife. We can head butt and call each other Jimmy!

the Question of the Complete hold of Christainity is stillin question .... Some say the conversion wasn't complete till mid-6th Century Ad.

Rust but there was so much more than that going on. The Palegian Heresy!. St Germain came over a few times to return the people of the civitias to oxthordoxy ( Catholisim).. Did you know in cambridge is the stone of a welsh bishop lamenting the loss of his wife ..... 6th century AD .... ( I am anglo-Catholic) take that as mud in your eye on Dogma. and to quote the Professor " the latin practiced in the remaing civitais was truer to form than the latin spoken on the continent at the time. I guess what I am trying to say it was more than Celtic... the Roman Compound bow was still in use, the famous Cavalry of the Oleggd Hen was descendant of the Romano Gothic Equites Honoriani Taifali Seniores! I could go on ..... but it was a clash of Brythonic ( welsh is a Saxon term for foreigner), Germanic, and Romans.... the red headed sarmatians , and I better shut up.

we need to be drinking buddies!

I must be misssing something but I will laugh along:P