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Have both games. Played Ringworld many years ago, but the players were not used to the game system and the game was switched to another game. I have been running a Future World game since October of last year. At one point I had 13 players. Now down to six core players. And still going strong. I prefer Future World Because: Ring World is a beautifully crafted universe, but when you have players who have read the books and have a better memory than you, they can get frustrated with non-cannonized introductions of different ideas and complicated rules. Future World (as someone already stated) is pretty basic, but it has allowed me to introduce ideas, races, technology, worlds and Things that I have created into the game. I am able to borrow things from other BRP Compatable books and introduce them into my game. Ringworld, Worlds Beyond, and Other Suns have all played in submitting new races into the game. (different names of course and just basic concepts with them.) BRP Starships, Traveller and 0-hr miniatures and deck plans. And maps from dundjinni and Adventurer's Atlas. I also use the BGB if there is a need for a new rule or clarification. Right now I a getting ready to introduce my players to the wrong end of a barrel from Basic Roleplaying Mecha. And that is "THE" advantage I like about Future World, it's adaptability.

Just wondering if there is anything new?

Actually this would be my first choice, although probably not the easiest. The more I read of the discussion and what people had written the more I think that an independent RPG and publication would be the best option. I have not published anything through them but Drivethru/RPGnow might be a good option. http://www.rpgnow.com/join.php is their publisher's page. This is the publisher's website page. I purchase most of my PDF and print copies through them, as BRP and smaller companies usually do not make it to game stores. We have a very large game store here in Portland, yet not much BRP. It has two pages of information explaining publisher's options, agreement publisher's menu. It's an option. Other than that I would recomend Lulu. Drivethru/RpgNow does do a little promotion on their site, whereas Lulu you have to know it is there and then look for it.

I would like to see it as independent of other games. From what I read of the system as developed it is pretty much a game system in itself. To tie it to another system, even if they are compatible might require agreement from other parties and limitations. Clarence came up with the idea and original systems mechanics, and the determination to carry it through, I would kind of like to see him finish it. He's got it this far with some help from good people, and I think he will finish it either way. (other systems notwithstanding) Independence would give him a lot of leeway to carry it in a direction that he could feel comfortable with. I vote for complete independence of already established systems and am comfortable with either Lulu, drivethru, kickstarter, for printed copies, hardback or soft cover.

The Morrow Project is a Post Apocalyptic skill based game. It is not BRP, yet was originally developed around the same time as Runequest by Chaosium, (Copyright says 1980.) I have played it, (as recently as two years ago) and have enjoyed it. It is published by http://timelineltd.com/, and as far as I know they are still selling it. It has about 10-11 supplements for it, each between $10-15. While I don't remember it having zombies, there was a scenario where we had to deal with mutants who were zombie like. It uses military stats for most of the equipment, vehicles and arms from actual (current?) items.

I took the pdf down to FedEx to see how much it would cost to have it printed in hard copy and the cost from them was $65.00. (quote) Kinkos is owned by FedEx, at least here in Portland Or. When I talked to them about it, the primary reason they gave me for the high cost had to do with the 12" x 12" format (with comb binding and colour plates) that Clarence laid out for the manuscript. They don't have 12" x 12" paper so they would have to print on larger paper, cut it to size after print, on all four sides and that pretty much doubled the price. Is that true, I don't know, I am not in the printing end of things so I pretty much have to depend on what people tell me. The POD book format/layout that Clarence has decided he wants would be 8 1/2" x 8 1/2", would cost around $28 and with regular book binding. I believe that the FedEx cost ($28-35) on 8 1/2 by 11" (already formatted/layout) was similar with the comb binding. So would end up being a matter of preference. Would have been nice though to already have it in hand.

If proofreading would be ok for you, that would be perfect. Take your time - but I also think you will find it a quite fast read. You can send me a chapter at a time if it feels more manageable that way. Is pdf a working solution for you to annotate? All right, I will see how fast it goes. Just in case, you might want to see if someone else would be willing to proofread as well. Where it might take me 4 months, 2 people might only take 2 months, and 4 people 1 month. Also while I edit a newsletter, it does not mean that my skills could be considered at a professional level, but still are good enough that no one has complained about the publication of the newsletter. While I could do it in PDF it would be a lot easier for me to do in .doc or .odt. In PDF, my resources would only allow me to copy and paste and while I could return it to you in PDF, I would not be able to return it to you in PDF with out a lot of extra work. I would also recommend that you establish a dropbox account or similar account to be able to transfer files to specific individuals helping you with this. Either a subfile for those helping you or individual subfiles for each individual helping. It will also give you control of who has access to the files. Charts and pictures would not be needed for proofreading. The charts are pretty self explanatory. Do you want to continue this conversation on forum or in individual emails?

Clarence, I do not know Publit, but I have bought from Lulu before and sometimes they have deals, where you can get either free shipping or % off on books. Right now they have a deal where if you buy $50.00 or more you can get free shipping until 22 December. However, that is just an example, during the year they have similar deals or etc. In regards to colour vs. B/W, my preference would be a colour cover with B/W interior. Next would be B/W. Then all colour. I don't know if Lulu would do that. If they don't I would be willing to go with Publit. In regards to more art, that would be OK, but doing without it would be OK too. A dollar or two would not make that much difference to me. However, interior art, I really like B/W. Colour interior plate art (Full page art) and some partial page color art tends to detract from the book itself and I tend to skip over it when reading whereas B/W blends in with the writing and is easier on the eyes. (My preference) I know there are plenty of good artists at www.deviantart.com and http://www.elfwood.com. In regards to proofreading, I could do it, but I also have other projects that I am working on, so I would not be able to guarantee how long it would take me to finish it. But if no one else volunteers, I can try it. There are two things that I would like you to consider for publishing. One is in the formating of the manuscript. I took the pdf down to FedEx to see how much it would cost to have it printed in hard copy and the cost from them was $65.00. Stables is supposedly cheaper but you posted this before I went there and this sounded like a better option. The reason they said that it would cost so much (besides the color) is the fact that the manuscript is in 12 x 12 format. I do not know how that came about. I took one of the earlier versions to the local library and it printed out in 8 1/2 by 11". So you might want to check the formating before printing. Two is you have a lot of empty space in the spread of the manuscript. (at least it looks that way in the pdf when I look at it.) I edit a newsletter for small organization here. Saving space while being as informative as possible is important (financially for the organization and cheaper for the members helps). You might consider removing some of the empty space, say using older spread patterns, such as two columns (or three) per page rather than one so that charts and art can be compressed into ???. Your choice, just a suggestion. Microsoft word and LibreOffice (a free program) both have capabilities to do that. Anyway I like the idea of having a hard copy and await eagerly the opportunity of showing it to my players. Please keep on with this project. Thanks, Daniel

I would buy a book. Daniel

Clarence, I think under behavior an additional attitude would be Detached", similiar to how humans view ants, they exist, but as long as they do not become obvious to us or irritate us we do not think of them, otherwise we just do not care. Under natural weaponry you could add poison,(I know you have it under advantages, but it could also count as natural weaponry) and under communication you could add Tactile (touch). Just some things to look at. :-) You obviously put a lot of work into this and I hope over the next three or four weeks I will get to try it out. I will be starting a future world derivative with a first contact scenario and will hopefully put this to use. Thanks.

Thank you for the repost. I was able to download and finding this a welcome addition to my BRP Game. Daniel

Confirm. File not Found. Repost please.

The Original title for Buck Rogers is Armageddon: 2419 A.D. By Phillip Francis Nowlan. And is available free from Project Gutenberg for download. It was originally two Novella's “The Airlords of Han” and “Armageddon: 2419”. Both were combined into a single novel titled “Armageddon: 2419”. http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/n#a31334 The time frame from Han conquest of America to Rogers awakening was three hundred ten years, 2109 to 2419 AD. Buck Rogers himself was asleep for 492 years, 1927 to 2419 AD. The gangs as they are called do remember the Fall and the events in the story or revolution are called the “Second Revolutionary War”. This novel and Andre' Nortons “Starman's Son” were the first two Apocalyptic novels I ever read. I have also read them both several times over the last 50 years. Shows my age doesn't it? Andre Nortons “Starman's Son” takes place 200 years after the Fall and people do not remember why, but they do blame computers. First Published as “Daybreak: 2250 AD” in 1952, a few years before computers began to proliferate. When it came to computers she did seem to have an unusually high disregard for them helping, rather seeing them as a hindrance. If you are interested in a D100 Percentile skill Apocalyptic game system, I recommend “Morrow Project” by TimeLine LTD, Timeline Ltd. . I played it again at “Gamestorm” in Vancouver, Wa., this last March. (Originally played in 1985). Timeline was playtesting their 4th ed., and one of their representatives ran the game. The premise involves an organization expecting the “Fall”. In the game you take on the role of an ordinary person (along with other team members) that has been specially trained to help rebuild the US after WWIII. Placed in Suspended/Cryo Sleep you wake up anywhere from a few years after the Fall to hundreds of years later. It is a small company and most of their updates are on their facebook and google pages. There are about 13+ modules and supplements for the game.

Ran Future World once. A couple of players. One enjoyed it, the other didn't. Had 15mm miniatures and FASA's Adventure ship Vol. 1. An abandoned alien warship, disabled and drifting. The players had more than one character each. A small recovery ship from the original race arrived and contested their right to salvage. All the Worlds Monsters Vol 3, (Chaosium) is available through Drive through All the Worlds' Monsters Vol. 3 - Chaosium | Legendary Roleplaying | DriveThruRPG.com It has 1 to 3 ages of conversion notes for D & D to RQ. (My copy is in a box in the garage so I don't remember how many pages it really is) which has good examples on how to convert. It would be a good start for anyone wanting to convert games to BRP. Judges Guild also has a Judges Guild Universal Game System, where they have a free download of their System (a 4 page article and charts). Judges Guild - Downloads It has a chart that lists conversion from d6, 2d6, 3d6, d20 and d100. (A side note for those who like Judges Guild Wilderlands, they just published their largest supplement "City State of the Sea Kings". Paperbound only) An interesting setting for those who like Science Fiction Adventure, I would reccomend Tri Tac Games Fringeworthy, A Stargate type Space Travelling RPG and FTL: 2448, Reminiscent of the 1980's and early 1990's science fiction adventures, theories and themes. (Blackhole, early starwars, etc.) Fringeworthy and FTL:2448 . They also have a game called Duck Troopers :-) My all time favorite is Niall Shapiro's "Other Suns". If you should talk to him or connect with him online consider asking him to republish it. Niall is a fan of up to date Science and could possibly bring something out in that Genre.

Hawkmoon Science Book has the time line. Most of the history revolves around wars and invasions. There is a gradual decline in technology common today, with a few new technologies, such as Flame Cannon and Mentality Machines beginning to make their appearance, etc. By 2100 the nations as we know them have been destroyed by various warfare techniques. 2400 brings mutants into the history. Nuclear weapons are all expended by 2762. The rest of the history revolves around specific wars, invasions, mutants and the gradual decline of civilization into more and more primitive warfare. The events in Hawkmoon take place 1400-1500 years later. If I might make a suggestion. 'Chronicles of Future Earth' and 'Tragic Millenium' are similar in Technological Time Frames and I think would fit well into the "Tragic Millenium" adventures.

Chaosium, Runequest 2 for rules. Judges Guild, Duck Tower, as an introductory Adventure.