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    Whose sorcery?

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    7 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

    you make a connection to the source

    The source is the same, the path to it is different. Personally, I view Runes as the source and Techniques as the means. A God, a spirit or a sorcery spell (the structure you create then casting a sorcery spell) is the catalist for the power you call forth. Sorcery cuts out the 'middle man', of course since the sorcery spells are not pre complied (sorry for IT terminology 🤪 ) they take more time to learn and cast.

    Rune Spell "Hallucinate"

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    8 minutes ago, metcalph said:

    A hole in the wall. 

    Or a hole in your opponent's chest armor, or rope bridge over a chasm, Honestly its one of the most powerfuls spells in the book, limited only by imagination. Its sole salvation that it is in the hands the trickest of cults. 

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    Whose sorcery?

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    1 hour ago, Shiningbrow said:

    word you missed i

    You are trying to twist things which are pretty simple here. Sorcery give you a way to access power and cast magic magic without gods or spirits, period. It does not mtter if you learn the spell from a Lhankar Mhy grimore or are taught the spell by a Chalana Arroy healer, or you get it from a Lunar magician, or even if you get it somehow on a HeroQuest. 

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    Whose sorcery?

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    25 minutes ago, Shiningbrow said:

    what's the source for CA & Issaries? Who do they achieve that union with

    Quoting Jeff again

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    Sorcery isn't any of that. Sorcery is something that must be learned, and is arduous to learn. You must learn to construct vast memory palaces, and create mental connections with points in the God Time. A lot of that is just rote learning and takes years.
     
    Then you learn spells. These are careful paths through these "memory palaces" and mental connections that enable you to create an effect in the mundane world. The limitations of this is obvious - you are slow, learning spells is difficult, only a tiny percentage of people have the time to learn how to do this (and must be supported by the rest of society). But the advantages? You don't need gods or spirits. You can cast any spell you are capable of learning (or creating).

     

    You can lern any spell from ny tradition.

    Disruption vs Skeletons

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    3 minutes ago, Rodney Dangerduck said:

    Only to a Mostali.  🙂

    Or to a Godlearner. 😘

    But, if you do not institute this rule then Disrupt can be sued to target anything a chair, a belt, a rope, a sword, etc. A one point spell should not be this powerful.

    Disruption vs Skeletons

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    Disruption
    1 Point 
    Ranged, Instant 
    This spell damages the target’s body. If the target’s POW 
    (or magic points for corporeal entities lacking POW) are
    overcome, the target takes 1D3 damage to a random hit 
    location.     This damage is not absorbed by armor. 

    No POW or magic points = no damage

    This discussion brings to mind the old D&D joke about Magic Missiling the dark.😨

    Whose sorcery?

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    11 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

    But is that LM giving it? Or just allowing it to happen? Did LM give those spells to Torvald? Or did he acquire them through his own efforts?

    In Jeff's words: 

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     in the Second Age, the God Learners spread the Lightbringer cults of Chalana Arroy, Issaries, and Lhankor Mhy throughout the Middle Sea Empire.

    The Gods themsleves had nothing to do with it. 

    Whose sorcery?

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    3 hours ago, Darius West said:

    The grimoire is called the Torvald Fragments

    Yeah, and I am sure they have others that they keep secret and limited to a small group of "approved" students. 

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    True Sword and Fire Blade

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    17 minutes ago, Stephen L said:

    (page 203, RuneQuest in Glorantha).

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    The slashing weapon’s damage should be rolled normally twice and both results added together.

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    spell changes the weapon’s damage to be 3D6.

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    this spell doubles the weapon’s normal damage

    Looks like 12D6 to me

    True Sword and Fire Blade

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    29 minutes ago, Stephen L said:

    It seems to me that casting True Sword and then Fire Blade gives 6D6 Damage.  And a special, would be 9D6 and a critical would be 54 points through armour.  Ouch.

    That is how we always played it, but a special was 12D6 and in RQ3 Fireblade was passive. 

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    Whose sorcery?

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    36 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said:

    As I said earlier LM does not directly "give" sorcery, but the cult teaches it which I think is different to CA. This may be the same as you are saying.

    Exactly. I also beleive that the way it is taught may be different. In fact it is likely to be different from teacher to teaacher even if both are part of the same temple. May even use different Runes and Techniques for the same spell. 

    Whose sorcery?

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    5 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

    I don't think CA gives her followers any sorcery at all

    Neither does Lhankor Mhy, but they have people who know it and it is considered a valuable tool and is taught to those who are willing and egar to learn.

    Whose sorcery?

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    9 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

    That's that God Learners heresy stuff you're talking there!!! 

    And you point is?

     

    9 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

    Air Rune a non-intelligent force created by the Invisible God

    Is it now? I do not think so. Runes are not the creation of the Invible God.

    Supplements with sorcery spells in them

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    There are 6 in Holiday Dorastor: Temple of Heads

    Demonic Weapon Hunger/Spirit/Tap
    Man-Beast Man/Best/Command
    Resist Demon Chaos/Magic/Combine/Command
    Set Phase Beast/Magic/Combine
    Sever Tether Death/Tap
    Tag Magic/Tap/Command

    There are 4 in Holiday Dorastor: Spider Woods

    Blinding Pain Mastery/Command
    Call Shadow Darkness/Summon
    Infuse (Rune) (Rune)/Combine
    Shapechenge (Rune) to (Species) (Rune)/Combine

    There will be at least 2 (3 as one of the spells has two different ways to cast it ) in Holiday Dorastor: Woods of Terror.

    Decompose Fertility/Separate
    Phototropism Plant/Mobility/Command/Separate
    Lesser Phototropism Plant/Command

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    Whose sorcery?

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    8 hours ago, Joerg said:

    In order to become a sorcerer, one has to be literate, That means you need to be a lay worshipper of Lhankor Mhy.

    Or you can go visit the Seven Mother's temple.

    Rules for Illumination

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    1 hour ago, Alex said:

    Just remember what Arkat said.  No powergaming without respect and understanding!

    I beleive it was Nysalor who said that .... or maybe Gbaji .... or maybe even Arkat. Does not matter. Its wrong and right. Its what you want it to be.

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    Whose sorcery?

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    9 minutes ago, Shiningbrow said:

    Are we looking at a situation where cult associations are such that multiple initiation is occurring in order to learn the techniques

    Jeff wrote

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    Sorcery is something that must be learned, and is arduous to learn. You must learn to construct vast memory palaces, and create mental connections with points in the God Time. A lot of that is just rote learning and takes years.
     
    Then you learn spells. These are careful paths through these "memory palaces" and mental connections that enable you to create an effect in the mundane world. The limitations of this is obvious - you are slow, learning spells is difficult, only a tiny percentage of people have the time to learn how to do this (and must be supported by the rest of society). But the advantages? You don't need gods or spirits. You can cast any spell you are capable of learning (or creating).

     

    The only difference in learning a spell from a Lunar maybe that it uses a rune or technique which is not used or taught by your cult.

     

    Whose sorcery?

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    Jeff has recently (like yesterday and the day before) posted some very intersting information on the top of Sorcery and Malkioni in general on Facebook. It is up to him to repost it here if he wishes, but a lot of it went to the root of the question here. 

    Is it possible for someone to pick up Sorcery later in life? .... yes. Will it take a LOT of time and study? .... YES.  Is there a shortcut? ... Of course, one wold just need to know the right HeroQuest.

    Just What Does Detect Enemies Work Against?

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    6 hours ago, PhilHibbs said:

    Well there you're into complex issues of what is intent. I think that the snake still does have hostile intent, even though fear or other self-preserving urges are overriding the urge to strike out. Especially as it's chaotic.

    I am assuming that the snake is not Intellegent (it is a possibility since it is Chaotic, but for now lets assume it is not). In this case I would argue that it has no other urges at this moment except self-preservation and therefore would not register on this spell which seems to pick up on intent.

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