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And Dorastor has Broos and other Chaos creatures that are civilised, polite, and even act as healers...

Depends upon the rules of engagement. If they disallowed the use of magic in combat such as that situation, then yes, I'd expect them to wash it off... "Sorry mate, you're on a Woad to nowhere while you've got that on!" They'd phrase it differently, just as we should be phrasing our spells differently (as HQ does).

I don't understand why you would think this. Societies on Earth certainly distinguished lexically between 'magic' and 'skill', and they fully believed in their gods. The words may well be related or even come from the same root. But the people who use those words have tended to know the difference in meanings (most of the time). There are words which do imply either though, but they tend to be used only in certain occasions, and for certain sets of people (sort of how our Heroquest abilities can be seen as skills/abilities rather than 'magic'). Now, if you want to talk about mysticism, skill and magic, you may be onto something.

Command Air Stasis Creates a field of solid air around the indiivdual that acts as armour

Very interesting point!!! I'd also point out (although, this is purely IMO) that it's Man (whether Plant, Dark, Earth or whichever) that takes revenge, remembers grudges, fight wars for anything other than mere survival, has a concept of 'honour' - for both good and bad. And, Man builds weapons. I'd even suggest that Broos and similar Chaos creatures are closer to the Man Rune than they are to Beast.... Hence my suggestion of throwing Harmony in there as well.

I'd probably suggest both... But, if you didn't know, Pavis is built around the Man Rune, purely for that civilisation effect. But, successful societies live in Harmony....

MRQ had this version of the spell basically doing the same as Protection - but you could ramp up (or down) the strength. Each point was worth 1 AP - no resistance roll stuff. So did Lunar Sorcery at one point - but subject to the Lunar Cycle (down to no manipulations during Dark Moon!)

Harmony...

Cows with guns... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

Yes, but some magic use is fine and dandy, and others definitely not. Even the 'good' magics can anger people (don't even try to resurrect that Humakti! And, I thought there was a geas about not accepting any magical healing...). Orlanth and Yelm would argue over the use of Cloudcall/Cloud Clear... So, yeah, the generic use of magic is socially accepted. The specific uses of it are questionable.

The obvious difference is - if it all comes from POW (even the initial point loss), then the Priest can lose their status. It also affects MPs, may affect skills, Spirit Combat damage, etc. Also affects POW gain rolls. So, taking the first point from spent or unspent Rune Points would be mechanically different from taking first from POW. So, "Damn, I can't cast that last point of X spell until I POWer up, and sacrifice for it again... may sometime whenever" is quite different to "Damn, I won't be able to hurt spirits as much, and I"m down 5% on half my skills... I need to get that POW back!!!" The first is worth the extra point of STR, DEX etc... the second probably isn't.

"Evil" is obviously a perspective... wiping out all humans is evil if you're human. Wiping out all Chaos (or trolls, or or or) usually isn't. (lack of alignments and all). So, as I've said before, I'd understand why an Orlanthi would be totally ok with a Tap Chaos, or Tap Moonbeam.... those things don't matter to them, and they themselves are evil. Tap Spirit would be fine if you're doing it to disease spirits. Tapping someone else's body would be fine - if they're an enemy. Tapping your friends and allies is bad form (however, I can envisage a situation in which someone willingly sacrifices themselves for a 'greater good'... ie, need MPs now to defeat this Thed Priest). (What would happen with a Tap Undeath? Presuming any Rune can be used in such a way...) I think in Glorantha, just like in our world, unless you're actually seeing any negative consequences, you normally don't consider them. Also - side point (sort of). Are people going to see a significant difference between the mundane, physical manifestation of a Rune (eg, air) and the spiritual manifestation of the Rune (eg, Sylph/Umbroli)? If there is that difference, wouldn't the tapping of 'air' be seen as different to tapping the Sylph?

Deep!

Which sort of brings us full circle - is Tapping evil? (and, FTR, I'm still conflicted... but probably that's because the player inside me wants to say "No!" so it can be used at will 😛 )

Thanks. I looked at the map, and there's a couple of people in Shanghai (1 hour away), but neither are listing RQ as an option. There's someone in Nanjing (1.5 hour away), but no list of what they do. A few others are scattered around the country, with a few in Beijing I didn't bother looking at (many hours away).

Rune Lords sacrifice 1 Rune Point permanently (p272) to implement a Divine Intervention. The player then rolls 1D10, and they lose that many Rune Points... but those are replenishable. p273. I'm obviously presuming that the Rune Lord isn't so stupid as to try this without having a full stock of Rune Points available, and that they have sacrificed more than 10 POW to get those Rune Points...

While the deities of Luck do often throw their hands, I was more presuming egregious use of Bless Pregnancy. Either that, or a stat mechanism much more in the player's favour. So, they're not actual rolls - just showing possibilities. So, while high, still not "OMG that's amazing" high.

And somehow, in Glorantha, that doesn't come across as a silly question 😛

Cool. I'm happy with that... I just don't think everyone would like to be on the receiving end... or just shrug their shoulders and accept it. (trying to get through the modern material... most of the way through Sourcebook... next tackle/hurdle is the GoG...)

Lie's lack of resistance has been and is still being discussed.... however, below. The other obvious distinction is that Charisma and Clever Tongue are cast on Self, while the Dominate isn't. If someone used a spell-traded Lie in the council meeting, and told everyone that X members' had their votes cancelled or didn't count, then I'm pretty sure everyone would be pissed about it - enough to get most removed from said council (and possibly banished)... except, obviously, Trickster. If anyone here is thinking "nah, it's fine... such magic isn't a problem", then I'm gobsmacked! Charisma isn't so blatant, but I still think that if you wouldn't want people knowing you've cast it (why hide the fact if it's not a problem? And, by "hide", I mean determine that the spell has no obvious visual component). Some spells are considered not to have a visual aspect once cast... if these spells are so innocuous, then they should be fairly obvious, as are others.

While we're herding them, it's a moo-t point.

Some are indicating a "whatever works" attitude.. if Lie is ok, as well as Clever Tongue... then why not Dominate? And if those are all ok if you can get away with it, then Charisma isn't too far down that slippery slope. I know that Glorantha isn't a perfect world, and humans are still sucky... but as I've tried to indicate, the No Magic policy in council meetings would be appropriate. And, if someone suspects their mind or emotions have been tampered with or unduly influenced, they're not going to be too happy about it - even if using the goddesses' (or others) power to do so. That's the crux of the argument... what about when it's not?

(Casts Awaken Herd Beast )

Please, try to remember!!! I'd love to read it! (of course, hopefully others can chime in her) No it's not... Waaahhhhhhh........

I do... I just need to determine where the lines are before going further. Your other comments above that do sort of indicate where that line is, and it's not where I'd have mine... YGV. (the possession could be done the night before)