Shiningbrow

I'll pass, thanks! As for this thread, what would we say about those AA trolls who contact the outside world? I presume they curtail their underground habits, and so humans find them weird (stinky) but tolerable. When they go back home, is their place just as 'squalid'?

What if someone else comes along and heals the body? If a shaman had access to such a spell (and I can definitely see it being possible with Earth-powered shamans down in Esrolia, and RAW Yelmic shamans would have it almost automatically!), couldn't they just cast a Heal Body instead?

Just thinking along those lines for the scenario I proposed - getting an uber-powerful 100POW enchantment... If I GMed it, it would work. However, such focus of energy at one point in time would be like a massive beacon throughout the lands that all heroquesters couldn't fail to notice it, and in the midsts of this enchantment process, a whole stack of enemies come charging in to stop it... and mayhem ensues (Thus, the Trickster magic continues on its Disorderly way). In addition to this, I'd also have it that it makes every other group ramp up their efforts for the upcoming wars! The players thought they had another 10 years to get their shit together? Not any more!!! Two if you're lucky! (that's on top of having Jar-Eel come along and smack your nose ...).

May I suggest this to be a separate thread?? Especially as it's Homebrew/MGV.

I figure that's how everyone is interpreting 'munchkin'... What's your definition?? "would want", and "have constantly cast on themselves" are two different things... Given your mention of the Dart Competition, yes I can see IO's having it constantly up. But I doubt that LMs would do the same as a matter of course.

And, that's only if we go with my first idea, of using the Enhance INT to uber-power (Intensify) other destructive sorcery spells. Alternatives are to Lie in order to get other enchantments - of which you can get some nice Stackable Rune spells... Thunderbolt and Lightning, Very, very frightening (to me!) (or, how about a 100 point Swallow??)

I can only presume you're referring to the sorcerers of IO... cos almost no-one else would! True (or Lie :p) But, if it's done correctly, then it has very good standing! Yes, but we're not Eurmali, are we?? We have just joined the cult in order to win a munchkin challenge... If necessary and appropriate. If necessary, our munchkin could simply say to keep it secret (Lie). I'm finding it a bit amusing that we're taking on a munchkin challenge, and you are now proceeding to rip such munchkinnery apart... Somewhat antithetical.

I disagree! It's Eurmali - it's supposed to be used for outrageous situations! And that's why you focus on the Chief/High Priest and all the assembled congregation. Also, I seriously doubt that "inform(ing) a colleague" would do much, given the example of Yelm not rising tomorrow morning (until tomorrow morning, or a Divination (which one would assume is because the priests would be asking "why?") The "one full melee round" seems silly with no context (and I presume that context be something like "you are drowning in water") Creating a huge enchantment for the upcoming Hero Wars (which I presume people are feeling in the air) would make perfect sense! Besides, if the Red Emperor declared it should be done, it would be something no-one would question (although, they'd probably complain about). Oh, yeah, fair enough! Ah, true true... I was including Runes in that, instead of just Passions.

Well, yes... but that's what this whole thread is about! (try doing the same thing at Char creation) Ummm... it's a munchkin challenge... what do you expect?? 😛 RE: SotLM - hmmmm.... for 2 points you get complete immunity... I don't think that's how sorcery is supposed to work! I would expect a MP v MP challenge - and so the Lie could be boosted. (given that our Eurmali is also an IO worshipper and sorcerer, this would be known.) I'd also counter your argument with the fact that this is being cast inside (or near) a central congregation - why would any sorcerer have that spell up while in their home city? Especially with the (possibly debilitating) lack of augmentations (useful for helping cast their sorcery).

Oh, I should have realised! This line of argument is completely irrelevant - because Illuminates are no longer restricted to having to trade-off opposed Rune percentages!! So, yes, 89% in both Truth and Illusion! (besides which, for my guy to work, they don't need to have effective IO Rune spells... just access to the IO congregation)

Oh, I know how it could be used. And that's profiteering nicely. However, I was thinking in the context of lying to the entire congregation about needing to make this super-powerful enchanted object, because X deity said it should be so.... I don't think I can come up with a 'definable material object' for that.

Just to rain on your parade - Divination Block relates only to a "definable material object". I'm not seeing how you'd make that work in this instance. (personally, that seems a complete waste .... ok, sure you can't get who actually held the knife, but you could see or get information about the event through other questions/targets)

Firstly, I would question the usefulness of that, especially if the Lie is something that the deity may not have access to knowing. Secondly, Divination is susceptible to misinterpretation. And thirdly, a second Lie in that situation would override whatever results you get from the Divination, especially given point 2. Also, as @Jens points out above, those hearing the Lie are not going to do any Divinations to find out their deity's perspective on it.Especially when the High or Chief Priest commands it. And also especially when it falls within the bounds of 'truth' - ie. given the upcoming Hero Wars that everyone can feel in the air, it would make a lot of sense to start these sorts of preparations. (for that matter, I would expect various groups to be doing something like this anyway... so the only bit about the Lie that's going to be in question is the Trickster person taking it away with them....)

I had a thought last night... how about adding Runic Inspiration when attempting to summon a cult spirit, to add on the spirit's POW & CHA table?

That wouldn't be a 'fraction' faster. Once the skill is at a pretty high level and the associated Rune is pretty high, it means +20% or higher on the experience gain check... and up to 50% in the fairly rare occasion (crit) That means - 100%+ skills no longer having only a couple of percent chance of succeeding, but at least 20% - unless, the category modifier is a negative! (and, that alone is going to be a big thing!) Looking at it from a different angle - I can see how some augments work in the usual individual, unique situation, which is a conscious application of those Runes & skills. I don't see how that works with experience, and that seems to just be something the character subconsciously (for the most part) learns something. I doubt many of us could describe the specific (minute) things we learned as part of our experience to learn to ride a bike or drive a car.

I just realised that I've been a complete non-Munchkin!!!! Although the Lie to get a great Enhance INT spell fired off, I figure those hundreds of POW that the congregation is putting into the enchantment would maybe be better for more powerful spells - especially Rune spells!!! I'm not going to go through the RBoM to decide which one would be best to win this competition's various categories.

I presume you're referring to Devour Book here... If we're allowing Heroquest powers in the thread, then I'd say a Lhankor Mhy should have a Duplicate Book/Mind spell - similar, but no killing or erasure required. (In fact, I envisage this as being Sorcery - not overly different to a combination of Total Recall and Speak to Mind (for the Mind version). I can see the need to prune it to just 1 skill (say, 1D6/hour for Communication (especially language), Knowledge and Magic skills, with appropriate reductions in time - say, 3 hours for 1D6 for Weapons, Agility and Manipulation skills... it obviously requires Duration.. However, this is just for skills - not Spirit or Rune spells).

Besides which, I don't think the rules could conceivably be fully representational of the entirety of Glorantha (or even of the Dragon Pass area). There will always be exceptions to the rules.

Not necessarily! You only need to have one of the cult's Runes at 50% - so, you could have your Truth/Illusion sitting at that. Also, three are the other Runes that could be high - e.g. Disorder, Moon, etc. (Probably need a high Illusion to get your Lie to work reliably).

No need for synergy - nor most Rune Magic. Eurmal's Lie is OP in the right situations - cos there's no resistance rolls. Irripi Ontor because of the easier access to various magics - including (and especially) Enhance INT in sorcery. Lie to the heads of the cult (perhaps in the middle of congregation, so that you've got a whole bunch of people hearing it, so that they believe they need to make a huge arse enchantment of Enhance INT... should be able to get at least 100 points worth of Intensity out of it - if not many many more (thousands??) If necessary, drop another Lie for the MPs to cast it. Now, just imagine what 100+ points of Free INT can do to either basic sorcery or Lunar Magics. (One could also Lie oneself a few very high powered spirits this way - for the MPs and additional spells). And, don't forget that the rules tell you to go munchkinney in creating your spells! Combining Moon and Fire is pretty to watch from a distance, I'd suggest also that Earth and Fire would be horrific as well - effectively lava. As mentioned above, the advantage over Maran Gor's Rune Magic is the duration. Or, Rogue Wave in the Mirrorsea around Nochet?? Sorcery is very powerful when it's being abused!

Don't forget to double your INT with a good enhancement Rune Spell (like you can with STR or CHA). However, well within the bounds of the rules (rather than having to force the rules, or include Heroquests) - stand before a congregation of sorcerers** (like a full temple's worth - IOs would clearly apply), and Lie (Eurmal-like) that your god has demanded that an artefact of great proportions needs to be made, and everyone needs to put their POW into it - that 'it' being the Enhance INT spell... so, can you end up with an object with an enchantment of 100+ points of Intensity. Since you're an IO, you should have easy access to (well, any spell really, but...) Moonfire... (note, Create Fissure and Blast Earth are Instant spells, so can't be Extended... Moonfire could last for days (or years... or decades.....although, it is Active (but, again, the rules allow you to do your own thing with sorcery, such as making up your own spells)). (**Note - that's if it's ruled they all need to know the spell to contribute to it. If not, then just use your imagination on how many you can get once you've convinced the highest of high priests (or the Lunar Emperor himself)) Your Enhanced INT of (pick a number) obviously also allows you to affect all your other spells as well. So, to address directly @Darius West's challenging question - What cults do you join in what order to make the most heinously OP character? - the answer is "Eurmal", and probably Irripi Ontor (as @davecake has said above!) Two steps - finished! (the sad thing is, it's actually probably quite easy to do this...)

Yep... a book I don't own... So, any hints on what was on p23??

Are you referring to a book that's only recently come out, and that I don't own? Or something else that I haven't understood??

I see this as less of a Glorantha thing, and more of an RQ thing. We players use such terms. In Glorantha, I'd see it as the spirit itself giving one of its relatives a way to call him/her to allow it to do things. And, since said spirit is a Hero, it's got some way to do this. "I give you the ability to call upon me when you are in need" or similar. So, again, no need for a shaman. Clear reason for a GT or priest to be able to do it. And, ultimately, not too unlike a spirit society, where each spirit has some connection - in this case, by blood relationship while they were alive.

Using the real world for a reason would also justify Engizi having it as well, since the floodwaters bring more silt each year.