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3 hours ago, Erol of Backford said:

One source say 5 meters so I estimated 16' however the Monsters II book says huge... 6d6+14!

Mongoose isn't a "source" but someone's interpretation.  In any event, they are missing the Hoolars are otherworldly creatures whose size is dependent on dramatic necessity but always bigger than you.  They can be as big as mountains if need be.

2 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said:

Didn't realize they'd be in old beast book, somehow the illustration makes me think they are a small shrub not some 16' small giant with 4 arms!? Thanks!

I think they are a lot bigger than 16 feet.

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The god named Pamalt had seen the Bomonoi,
and he had also seen the men that had been created in the
north, and he had the idea to create his own race of men
who could survive the heat of the land.

So, Pamalt gathered some of Yanmorla’s clay and tall
made bodies out of it, with four legs each. He then
convinced the Bomonoi to give up some of their heat to the
bodies. The bodies came to life, but they did not have much
in the way of minds; the Heat of Life was not there. Pamalt
called them the hoolar.

For a long time Pamalt thought. He wondered why the
hoolar were mindless. He decided that too little heat had
been used in their creation.

Revealed Mythologies p45

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Varchep (small city): This city is defended
by cyclopean walls and is surrounded by
vineyards and good pastureland. It was
founded by an eponymous Second Age hero,
who tricked a three-headed giant into building
walls to protect his followers and livestock
from a band of Nightstalkers which haunted
this region.

Guide p641

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Zirta (small city): One of the older
settlements, this port city was founded by the
hero Abbak, who came over the oceans on a
dragon and then defeated the three-headed
giant who lived here. His stone tomb is in the
Abbak Hills north of the city.

Guide p641

There is a similar creature called the KuKwatta in Darjiinian myth which is cut in half to become elves.  I think the Hoolars and the KuKwatta are based on Aristophanes' conjecture in Plato's Symphosium. 

There's no stats for them in the RQ3 glorantha bestiary even though they have an entry.  I suspect the mysterious giants of Umathelan are Hoolars or related to them. 

2 hours ago, Jose said:

Hello everyone, 

Does anyone know how this guy lead his campaigns against the holy country? 

Did he use a lot of warbands? Various groups at regiment level? A couple of armies of legion level... Maybe a mix of everything... It seems odd speak of an ambush in "lion feast" Battle. A lot of calvary maybe? 

And how, in Solara's name, did he manage to keep together all that people? 

Thanks. 

Greymane has always given me the impression of personal leadership.  He isn't a wise general commanding from a distance but someone who gets out and fights.  His troops are clan and tribal contingents and he probably knows their leaders by name, rewarding them with plunder from the battlefield etc.  .

His troops would be a mix of light infantry and raiding cavalry.  The Trader Princes under his sway might have a couple of heavy foot regiments but they wouldn't be the mainstay of his forces.  For the ambush, one could always copy Hanibal at the Battle of Lake Trasimene for tactics.

49 minutes ago, mfbrandi said:

If Glorantha has the durulz, does that mean it doesn’t have “ordinary” ducks, or is that a sign that it does?

Durulz are more also known as wereducks (ie man-ducks) so ordinary ducks exist.

2 hours ago, Godlearner said:

I am assuming that there are native Moon worshippers in Pamaltela. Is their magic influenced by the phases of the Moon?

For followers of the Red Moon (Yran of Fonrit), yes.  For followers of the Blue Moon, no.

23 minutes ago, Jose said:

Hello people, a friend of mine want to play a grazelander follower of Oslira. Can he use Engizi as a template? Or has Oslira different spells?

Oslira probably has one or two different spells and a whole host of different associated cults.

But I think the Grazer river cult is probably better known as Jaldon's Wrong (following a recent facebook post).  Something like, when the remnants of the Pure Horse People first dared to enter Dragon Pass, they were visited by the Ghost of Jaldon Toothmaker who mocked them and vowed he would hunt down and kill anybody who entered the Pass.  But the River Goddess in their new lands shielded them from his depradations.  Since that time, the Grazers have always known the river as Jaldon's Wrong River leaving outsiders confused about what exactly Jaldon was wrong about.

The rune spell could probably something exotic (and limited) like protecting the worshipper and followers from being detected by any worshipper of Waha or Jaldon Toothmaker for a whole day.

2 hours ago, Erol of Backford said:

Do any Marazi use sorcery? Is it taught/learned on Trowjang to be more specific? The Genertela book calls the culture out as barbarian rather than civilized...

Someone who was called a philosopher might be a sorceror in terms of Lhankoring style knowledge magics but that's about it IMO.

11 minutes ago, JRE said:

I suspect that is the reason behind Isidilian surprising power and influence, and why some sources consider him a Mostali, as he is heroquesting into Quicksilver mostalhood.

Isildilian *is* a True Mostali, not a dwarf heroquestor.

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Dwarf Mine: The home of an unusually
friendly Mostali and his dwarves, the Dwarf
Mine was a member of the Unity Council.
The population was approximately 100
dwarves and one Mostali.

Guide to Glorantha p708

6 hours ago, Leingod said:

EDIT: Note, though, that I'm talking about the impression of Fazzur and his deeds that I personally got throughout my readings; I'm not saying that at no point in the entire Gloranthan corpus is there any point in which Fazzur loses a fight "legit" or just makes the wrong call and pays for it with no face-saving or blame-shifting.

I did once have the theory that Fazzur as second in command of the invasion of Prax quarrelled with Sor-eel and was forced to retire.  When he came out of retirement and became Governor-General, he repaid Sor-eel by starving him of reinforcements and denying him lucrative promotions.  

But in the material published since then, they are best of friends, alas.

6 hours ago, Erol of Backford said:

Do dwarves hero quest and moreover are they not really god learners? Possibly they were fighting against the clanking ruins due to jealously?

Heroquest involves dealing in forces of the Other Side which is Bad in Dwarven eyes.  The magics of the material world are best - iron, blackpowder and naphtha.

6 hours ago, Akhôrahil said:

The divine genealogy of the platypus would be far too convoluted.

Nevertheless a Duck-Bear exists in Glorantha (Smoking Ruins and Other Stories p30)

I understoodd the Syndics (solely on the basis of the name) to have been the urban leaders of the Janube - Perfe, Riverjoin, Southbank, Eastpoint and Galastar.  While Snodal was in it to stop Zzabur's Evil Plot, the others might have gotten involved to stop the White Bear Empire, which could have been still a threat.  The sidebar on p200 in retelling of how his heirs discovered what he was up to (summoning him after his death) suggests that Siglat, Gundreken or Gaiseron didn't know what Snodal was upto beforehand.  Nor does it seem was the University of Sog City.  Sorcerors and Malkioni Wizards are specified which suggests answers could be found in High Ffort and Kerantos

13 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said:

I mean, it's in BoHM and hasn't been contradicted as far as I know. If it's not fully canonical, it seems pretty close, at least?

Some parts of Book of Heortling Mythology have been abandoned.  

I though I might have said this in Your Dumbest Theory, but you are looking at the wrong Orlanth for Vinga's origins.  There's also Vingkot.

So originally there were two storm gods among the Vingkotlings - Vingkot and Orlanth.  They were quite similar and the two moieties understood them to be the same god and also different in some ways.  Vingkot was born at Kero Fin and associated with the tribes of the north while the tribes of the south followed Orlanth who had wandered from Dini near the Spike.  Vingkot was killed in at the Battle of Not Relevant Here.  His sons duly mourned their loss, said their farewells and took up the worship of Orlanth.   After all, they were quite similar so much that they were almost the same.  Thereafter Vingkot's importance was gradullay reduced until he was the son of Orlanth.

But some parts of Vingkot didn't die.  And some parts of Vingkot couldn't be replaced by Orlanth.  One of these was Vinga, his feminine side...

4 hours ago, Akhôrahil said:

I don't believe this for sabretooths or tigers either - the Sabretooth god is Sakkar and he's no friend of Yinkin's, and Tigers have the Hsa Hsunchen with their separate great spirit while Yinkin famously has no shadowcat hsunchen as he ditched his sprit part.

I don't think the story of Yinkin ditching his spirit part has been canononical for quite a while and the deities of the Hsunchen are all Gods (Telmor, Basmol etc) not Great Spirits.

Probably Gollanth.  

There is a Gollanth Heortson, a King who ruled the Heortlings after Heort but before the Dawn.  Not much else is known about him.

5 minutes ago, radmonger said:

I don't think the CoP figures quite support that; one third Waha, one third Eiritha only leaves one third for everyone else. That's going to be the baseline tribal status hierarchy;

No, it's not the baseline.  The figure I quoted were *maximums*.  For the mainstream Sable and Impala tribes, less than *half* worship Waha and Eiritha.  I've not counted the more exotic tribes such as the Pol Joni or the Morocanth.  By way of comparison, the figure in Sartar: Kingdom of Heroes for those who worship Orlanth and Ernalda was on the order of 80% or the Orlanthi all (may be outdated by more recent figures).  And for the trolls, every adult troll is an initiate of Kyger Litor. 

5 minutes ago, radmonger said:

Eirithans are the people who own herd beasts, Wahans are the people who marry those who own herd beats. The remainder is either specialists (shamans, berserkers, traders and healers[1]) or 'foreign converts'  (Lunars, Orlanthi and Sundomers). That's perhaps a few percent higher proportion of outsiders than the corresponding figures for Sartar, but not fundamentally different.

At last a third is "perhaps a few percent higher" than a fifth is wonderful accounting.  And I never said the people who didn't worship Waha and Eiritha were outsiders.  My position is completely the opposite.

5 minutes ago, radmonger said:

As covered in a previous thread, I'd see those 'converts' as fundamentally following the long standing tradition of Praxian secret magical societies.

If you think that a third to half the praxians are members of secret societies than good for you.  But that wasn't what I was talking about.  What I was concerned about was whether they were members of Praxian society in good standing.  Is a Praxian who worships Orlanth not a good Praxian or not?

On the topic of Waha/Eiritha in Prax, Waha is not the equivalent of Kyger Litor or Orlanth in their societies.  Cults of Prax does state about Waha "The cult of Waha has survived intact since the Darkness.  Occasionally less popular than some religions among the peoples, it never has been extinct in Prax." CoP p23.

The population of Praxians that worship Waha ranges varies among the tribes but is never larger than a third (Bison and Rhino tribes - Appendix C of Cults of Prax p110).  Eiritha's figures are pretty similar.  So while their worship is necessary for survival in the wastes *and* requires rigid gender roles, the Praxians themselves are not obliged or even expected to worship them in order to be valued members of their tribe.  At the most, they just don't get to be Khan or Queen.

5 hours ago, Ironwall said:

 now I have to ask was ernalda all that different in the EWF is Thier a "draconic" Ernalda that was worshiped in the EWF that can cause strange things to happen when some people start worshipping at the statue 

In RQG Adventures, there was a tomb featuring a daughter of Ernalda which looked at this question.

17 minutes ago, Shiningbrow said:

Now that Vinga is canonically Orlanth as a woman (ptooohie! She'll always be a person in her own right in my mind!), is her worship outlawed in Pavis under the Lunar occupation, alongside that of Orlanth himself?

Orlanth's worship was never outlawed in Pavis.  

9 minutes ago, David Scott said:

Likewise Gotti maybe a common name, and gold is likely a common merchant moniker as in Goldentongue Gotti. Likewise mix it up with pirate naming conventions: Gold Beard Gotti, or Long Gotti Gold.

FWIW there is a Golgotti Guildersnatcher in Borderlands (p155 kickstarter classic edition)

9 minutes ago, scott-martin said:

It is interesting to see free Enjoreli at that relatively late date and a proto-Halikiv so early. The latter in particular must have been a real PITA for the Council to work around . . . I forget, which uz community adopted Arkat, do we remember?

Redstone in Dagori Inkarth.