EricW

Fighting Harrek to a standstill makes Argrath a god? I agree by the end Argrath was operating at a high level, but presumably at some point he at least transitioned through being a superhero, however briefly. Maybe he was “more god than man” after he learned the godlearner secret?

You're hard to please 🙂 - I think fighting Harrek to a standstill (KoS), summoning dragons to rip a god from the sky, finding a way to hack the LBQ to extract even greater rewards from the gods (the "deeper quest"), finding a way to Lunar Hell even the gods can't follow, having the gods follow his command during the final battle, and cutting open and defeating Wakboth after he has consumed most of the gods, has to got count as a few points in favour of recognising Argrath as a superhero...

Ah sorry, his mysterious new wind god...

I think Lokamaydon, someone who managed to appear simultaneously in all Orlanth temples, put Orlanth to sleep, broke the Orlanth initiation hero quest and almost resurrected Ragnaglar has to count as a super hero. Even the Lunar wind stop was not as widespread or destructive as the damage Lokamaydon did in his time.

They don't have to both choose the same option. One could choose the Lunar path, the other could stay true to Praxian traditions. Philosophical divergence vs family. "I won't report you to the secret police because you are my brother, but..."

They don't have to choose the same option. One could choose the Lunar path, the other could stay true to Praxian traditions. Philosophical divergence vs family. "I won't report you to the secret police because you are my brother, but..."

The glaciers move around them. Some of the alien technology, which ignorant humans mischaracterise as "magic", is still very much operational in such places. Remember some of the ruins were in use for 10s of millions of years before they fell into disuse.

I think that one would deserve a SAN check, both the mind bending journey, and the realisation that Lhankor Mhy and Thanatar might have a stronger connection than anybody admits. Thanatar's library would also be a hideous experience, perhaps a library which eats adventurers. Copies of every book ever consumed by a cultist, all the knowledge stolen from the world, including really evil tomes which contain forbidden knowledge like the God Learner secret. An enormous temptation to stay and read - but whoever stays and reads has to fight the urge to stay forever. If they fail to resist temptation they themselves effectively become a piece of knowledge which Thanatar has consumed and removed from the world.

In that case Thanatar has access to chaotic book wyrm guardians through Treack Markhor?

The Lunars will help - all you need to do is become a Seven Mothers trainee initiate...

The Long Ships - a 1964 movie about vikings and arabs and Christianity and a gigantic crusader church bell made of gold.

Maybe Scooby Doo dog is like the Parrot out of Terry Pratchett's "Eric" - which Pratchett wrote after I met him at a book signing when I was a teenager. Most embarrassing...

What about "The Garden"? An idea I had on another thread, in which when a group of people sleep near or in the ancient ruins of an old Earth temple, one of them wakes up and find themselves in a vision of Genert's garden. None of their companions can see the garden, but as proof the affected party member can pick fruit from the garden nobody else can see, and hand it to their companions. But there is a terrible price for remaining in the vision of the garden - people who choose the illusion of the garden over the reality of the Prax wasteland cannot see or defend themselves against chaos. They also sometimes trip over things they can't see (hint). Since they are still part of the real world this makes them terribly vulnerable. People can leave the garden by an effort of will. The choice to reject the intoxicating vision of the garden and embrace the wasteland is the red pill decision to accept reality, and the need to fight chaos. Those who cannot bring themselves to reject the beauty of the garden eventually share its fate.

Shaman can potentially be multi cult enablers, lots of interesting small gods floating about who need the occasional worship ceremony.

Just a turn of phrase, not a documented quest. But you could make it up, maybe tell us about it. Make it difficult and perilous, otherwise lots of people would do it, to gain powerful combat magic when their village is threatened or whatever. Maybe include stations like being tempted by Gbaji or meeting the red moon goddess, both of whom would offer “gifts” the heroquester badly needs but must refuse. Gbaji could appear in disguise, attempt to gain the trust of the PC by being their helpful companion, but wolves can’t trust anyone right? 😉

Could get a lot worse than that. Given how the Telmori myths were likely contaminated to some extent by their pact with Nysalor, and the modern day connection with the moon, I'd say attempting a rebirth of the wolf heroquest could quickly turn into rebirth of chaos.

There is a rules compliant way for a lightbringer to potentially defeat the Crimson Bat using standard magic, the Trickster Swallow spell. A very large swallow spell. Of course if a PC attempted such a stunt, the Lunars would notice an uncommon accumulation of magic, and [correctly] suspect a rebel plot. Increasingly terrifying heroes would be sent to kill the PC, until someone epic like JarEel took an interest. Or given Tricksters are not known for self restraint, the sponsors of the bat swallow project might decide the cost of fixing all the damage caused by their "hero", on the path to destroying the bat, simply wasn't worth it. A Trickster roaming the landscape with hundreds of points of "Swallow" would be almost as scary as the bat. Having said that in general characters probably shouldn't be so powerful they can rip the Universe apart and re-arrange it as they wish. Consider the movie The Matrix vs all the sequels. I have no idea what happened in Matrix II and Matrix III, because I always fall asleep a few minutes after the opening credits. Leo was effectively a god by the end of the first movie, so Matrix II and III were just boring, at least for me.

If Malkion had accepted the compromise sorcery might have stopped working at night. The gods resurrected by the compromise have to spend time in the underworld.

Me bad, probably non-canon - http://www.jane-williams.me.uk/glorantha/vinga/bgor.cfm

Doesn’t Barb Gore have some kind of “sense despoiler” ability? I think I remember reading it’s triggered by overt chaos like Broos, not so much by civilised Lunar chaos…

I've always thought of "Swallow" as a Trickster version of "summoning of evil". Divination "Where is our missing relative / military commander / child" will point to the trickster 😉 As for Elusu, I don't think Elusu gave up being a "Little Shit" just because of hanging around with Argrath. I mean, don't you think it would be irresistible if you were a trickster infiltrator brimming with subversion magic to spread a little paranoia, with trickster lies like "your commander is actually an ogre who is sizing you up for his next meal", or "your commander never intends to promote you", or "I've received intelligence that your underlings are plotting to assassinate you, because you punished the squad after they were defeated by rebels". Or simply lie for convenience, like if someone asks the commander / infiltrator about their response to a report, shout at the underlying "I told you to rewrite that report, you slacker! And this time include some detail!".

Eurmal is a lazy drunken glutton who spend all his time stealing, pranking serious folk, chasing pretty girls, creating confusion with his lies, and running away from his responsibilities. Seems like "wasted potential" to me. The fact he helped save the world and is occasionally useful doesn't change that. A powerful Eurmali might accept a serious infiltration task, and genuinely mean to carry it through, but by the end of the day surely it would be fart cushions and total bedlam - competing groups on "special assignment" to root out traitors, pumped up on trickster lies, screaming and denouncing each other. Fistfights in front of the officers.

YGMV, but Orlanth had to bind Eurmal to make him stop messing up, and even then Eurmal did bad things on the LBQ. And much of the second age was Eurmal’s fault, after he taught humans to speak to dragons - for a laugh. Eurmal might have lots of useful spells, but he is the embodiment of wasted potential.

Infiltration seems way to organised for Eurmal, kind of like Jim Carrey's character in "The Mask" trying to use his sneak skill. Lanbril might do it, but Lanbril has no especial loyalty to Orlanth, huge risk of being sold out? The following is an example of Trickster attempting to infiltrate Lunar headquarters.

Cacodemon, Thanatar, Gbaji, take your pick 😉. Ralzakark might offer advice if you ask, and offer him an especially interesting magical artefact as payment.