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I totally agree. And what I mean is not to create any "artificial" scene but to follow the flow adding some "dedicated character" hooks (by the way they were playing a "soon published" campaign I believed ? so of course no specific character scene) When you have a player like Claudia, I think it is not useful to create specific scene. Because Claudia is "very present" (no offense) She takes the scene by herself. Some players are more introvert than Claudia, aren't they ? spoiler for the video the one who did not use the written rules but was able to "create" some effect. And somewhere, Jeff did not make "Gina Scenes" but open the door in a different manner, reacting positively to an out of the box proposal. That means two things : - having a GM accepting to look at more than /break/adapt the written rules. - having a player able to propose some weird approach to solve classical issues and able to take the microphone "even if it is not their time" That's not all the tables, well not all the tables I have seen at least 🙂 this white bull campaign is really a master class

that's true and it is one of my remark. However it is (I thinks I have already said that) a GM responsability too : GM may say to their players, "listen, we will start a new campaign, and the focus is on blablabla". So players take the information and create characters for that, GM offering their help to background, rules point, or any good advice. Then the usefull skills choice is part of the player's thought during the creation or GM may say to their players, "listen, we will start a new campaign, so create what you want to play and I will create/adjust my plans for maximise our pleasure."So players create what they want, GM working with them to get hook and other ideas to build a surprising and good campaign (and of course proposing help on the background , rules etc...). or GM may say to their players, "listen, we will start a new campaign, i already have plan everything but I will not say anything, gnark gnark gnark. So create what you want, if it is not efficient, well too bad 😛 " of course it is not how I approach the (sometimes difficult) GM's role so the real balance is for skill, or anything in fact, how the GM works, adapts published or at least prepared scenario/campaign. If the warrior is always the star, imagine something where sword is not usefull at all (no fight, or fight against too powerful ennemies - don't care the published stats, add 50% if you need).. If the dancer has not yet do anything remarkable for a long time, add a scenario where the only option (or the obvious one) is to build a show. For example the group is attacked and overpowered by trolls (hey warrior, you did not save us this time...), taken to their "cave", then they meet other ostages, a donandar troop may be, and they have to make a show but need a dancer... and what there is an issue with some spirits in this cave and the shaman pc may decide to helps the trolls, a faction, the spirits. etc... opportunity to discover trolls society, make alliance with some group (troll faction, troll clan, artists...) or new ennemies Same if one of the pc knows kralori... of course one day they will meet some kralori (or dragon ?) and take the first role (because they need to negociate, or the guy in front of them trust only the kralori speaker and will act only if (s)he says red or blue. In all cases that's just opportunity, if our player (dancer, shaman, kralori speaker, ...) doesn't take the opportunity to lead temporary the session it is not so important, but at least the GM does the job ! that's the ultimate balance for me

same for me 😛 don't oppose both options imo, but maybe too long/complex during the creation, I would like something like: - you choose your parent social position (S) your occupation (O) and your homeland (H) - then you determine three list of skills the table SxH provides a list of common skills and uncommon skills. Pretty sure that lunar Empire nobility would promote intrigue rather than martial skills. And the opposite in Sartar. Of course an efficient noble in both cases should have both. the table OxH provides a list of common skills and uncommon skills. That's not because you are a herder (in plain) that you know how to climb like a herder in mountain. That's not because you are a warrior that you have access to any weapon and good trainer. the table H provides a list of common kills and uncommon skills. Because you are in Sartar of course you know Sartarite for your character if a skill is common in at least one of your 3 lists, then it is common, if not common but at least uncommon then the skill is uncommon. And of course the other skills are "exotic" we may consider that, for any background reason, you can choose another common skill (for example, your homeland is Sartar but your grandparent were kralori, so you pick kralory language as a common skill) - you can then have a pool of skill points to distribute following few rules : 1) any common skill must at least have 25% 2) the cost for 1% depends on the level and the type of skill: common skill: [0 -> 50%] => 1% = 1pt / [51% ->75%] => 1% = 2pt / >75% => 1% = 3pt uncommon skill: [0 -> 50%] => 1% = 2pt / [51% ->75%] => 1% = 3pt / >75% => 1% = 5pt exotic skill: [0 -> 50%] => 1% = 3pt / [51% ->75%] => 1% = 6pt / >75% => 1% = 9pt - add the characteristic bonus.

what is the most difficult between meeting a mistress race in mundane world and meeting a mistress race in heroquesting (or a goddess after all even if they are not troll we can "do the merge") I have not the answer 🙂 If I had to get tears, Mundane world tears: 1) find some wise people (LM or AA) able to tell me what could provoke emotion for a troll. (-> answer = music, poetry) 2) find some donandar master musicians and singers. The best way in my opinion to obtain tears from these desperate people is music. They love and protect good musicians so my team will be welcome (I consider trolls are those who lost their world, their way of life, their loving full darkness so yes they are desperate, even if a lot of them have never lived in this past) 3) find a thief or any specialist orlanthi with sandal of darkness and teleportation 4) be known by some good trollish queendom, and show after show, obtaining audience from priestess then a mistress race. If possible the musicial theme would be about these violent warriors and courageous mothers and clan chiefs who succeed all the trials of life but cannot find the happiness their ancestors were deprived by the bad sun. 5) once a show with a mistress race, send the orlanthi near the target. Start the show, and prey the gods to touch the MR's hearth. Let's the orlanthi "catch" the tears and go back. 6) if all is fine, leave the trolls in good term. If there is any issue, leave the trolls with donandar food as compensation. heroquest world tears: 1) find some wise people (LM or AA) able to tell me what could provoke emotion for a troll. (-> answer = music, poetry) 2) find an orlanthi attempting the sandal of darkness heroquest 3) plan the meeting with KL, the Orlanthi will not follow stealth or fight path but has to choose between seduction or music. 4) before the quest, get some harmony power (spell exchange, or maybe some companion) depending on your strategy. Uleria (Community, Erotocomatose Lucidity or Unity or a combination), Donandar (unfortunately don't see emotional spells,I would expect that from this god, so after that, house rule if you want) seems to me good providers of tears. 4)do the quest, meet the goddess, play your score, create feeling, comme back with tears and sandals

I dont have the material with me but in the sun county there is a rune lord (Belvani ?) who get back a fire crystal from an heroquest. The temple owns the crystal but the rune lord can use it. (If i remember) I think that the ratling wind, and other magical gear come from heroquest. However the main answer is what you describes (knowledge, passion, magic, etc...) I m not sure but I think I read somewhere that you come with a mundane object (for example a simple bag) and if you succeed, you may bring back a magical artifact (a bag full of winds)

My point was there is no issue to play a human without knowing the troll perspective. Of course real people (not all players, not only players)can be interested (and I am) to know trolls perspective. But that is not to play, just because I love this world.

Didn’t know 🙂

Your conclusion about this fact is based on your conception of dirty now imagine that in your culture, eating your own feces is good. Now imagine why trolls don’t eat their own feces. for example maybe they consider that their feces is what their body did not absorb. In that case there is no reason to eat them again. That would be fool note I m not saying that is the reason, just that is not because a fact may be explained by our culture that our culture and the other one have the same explanation. We unfortunately have no source of elder races based on their own perspective not an issue if we play human, of course.

i imagine that more than SIN we should see the STR of the mount. After all an impala with STR 2000 should not have any issue to carry a troll. The issue would be more if the troll's feet are on the ground or not

hunshen 😛

What gives you this idea? Esrolia has a very high proportion of unfree and semi-free folk toiling on the fields. Old Tarsh on the other hand has freeman farmers who immigrated from Saird, a region nearly as productive as Esrolia, and with as old an Earth cult to support that farming. Add to that the Heruvernalda and Shaker Temple rites, and the Old Tarshite may be the more knowledgeable farmer. Not necessarily the farmer with the better harvest, though. the core book rule gives +25 farm to any esrolian (so esrolian farmer) when old tarsh gives +15 farm to any tarshite (so old tarshite farmer). I m not able to explain the difference by my low knowledge , i just interpreted the simplest (for me) way ; if esrolian farmer as +10% than old tarshite farmer, I suppose there are better technics known in Esrolia, (note that the bonus is not you have a bonus when you work in Esrolia, the bonus is anywhere in the world if you are Esrolian, so that is knowledge not localization) Define Esrolian Fisher first. Do you mean some of the coastal or estuary fisherfolk reaping the wealth of Choralinthor and the tides, or do you mean some riverine fisherfolk harvesting fish from the irrigation or drainage ditches between the grain fields? The former is bound to know a lot less about farming than the latter. There is only 1 fisher occupation in the core rules. But I agree you may find different types of fishers, with different knowledge. To be honest my first idea was "sailor" (those who go far on the sea) but it wasn't in the rule That would be a "one unique thing" as per 13th Age, really. While there are occasional bodies of water in the Wastes, few are stable enough to support fishing year around. The creatures from the bogs in the Wastes aren't exactly useful for human consumption. yes we agree. I used fisher because it was fisher in my second point and prax because the idea seems so weird. But as it is possible (by rule and with your example), the question remains about riding at a high level when your occupation is not based on daily riding. Talar: depends strongly on the Malkioni sect. In the Kingdom of Seshnela (Tanisor really), the talar caste has added the roles of the Men-of-All to their duties, so yes, as good a selection of war skills is to be expected as for Orlanthi nobles. Orthodox Brithini talars may have a few defensive skills with bashing sceptres or throwing crowns if they regularly get to command military forces, but otherwise definitely not. A Praxian noble should have herding-related and magic-related skills rather than agricultural or administrative ones. The Oasis folk are self-organizing, and any direct Praxian involvement in their business is bound to result in a reduction of productivity. As it depends, the question is valid. My (sometimes not convinced) examples were just to illustrate the point that homeland has not the same impact depending on the occupation. Now I haven't find an organized rule (aka tables) covering all the options without adding complexity. So my best way would be "up to the player, and let's both player and GM explain why this % for this character. And you will probably have a lot of better "based on background reasons" than me to explain any % 🙂 ) yes life path is an option I have in mind (even to creating a young adventurer). but that doesn't allow all the options. For example it is not possible, by any means I think, to create a lunar scout speaking very well kralori (> 60%) even if background allows it. Of course there is the mgf keay word, and that is thing I apply (in the same way I don't follow the core rule background by default, only if player wants to apply it). But rules speaking, it is not "allowed"

I agree that having more a matrix of occupation x homeland, listing skill bonus would be more interesting (for me) few examples 1) should an esrolian farmer know farming "more" than an old tarshite farmer ? I would say yes (because probably Esrolia is more "advanced" in farming) 2) should an esrolian fisher know farming "more" than an old tarshite ? I would say no (that's not because you know the basic of farm ok, but to know the "high level" of farming developped in Esrolia should need investment) 3) could a bison rider in the wastes choose a fisher occupation ? maybe but then would (s)he be able to ride like any more "standard" bison rider ? probably not. 4) should noble occupation be the same in all cultures ? Should Talar have good war skill for example ? Should Praxian noble have developped large skill in manage household ? but to make me happy with all these things, rules should probably have so many tables that, at the end of the day, I would be bored 😛 so don't know what is the best way If I had to design rules, I would probably work in another way, where players buy anything during the creation (characteristics, skills, status, number of gods initiation, heirloom...) with some limits like "you can't have more than custom 30% in any other culture than yours " (or you pay more to have more) etc.. but that means more complexity for players. Some are already afraid when they see the rules even if, once you are familiar, it is simple. so not sure my ideas fit with a lot of people

But you can commit bad acts in a region and go every season far from that in some friendly lands/ temple 🙂

What is a cult ? For me only a hierarchy of mundane worshippers. for example. Are the cult leader of Orlanth in Ralios and the cult leader of Orlanth in dragon pass in the same hierarchy ? They follow the same god, they agree on that. But one is not higher than the other. (Well I think) then I would follow your both scenarios but with some wording changes scenario 1 unified religion with mask subcults (bisos, stormbull) focus on some aspects, then sub’ sub cults (if any) for specific heroes or lesser deities scenario 2 mask religions with sub cults (if any) for specific heroes or lesser deities

well yes the issaries looter will always "lose" if there is a deal the victims will save their lives when the looters will only gain some goods. However I would say that solving a situation without wounds is accepted by Issaries I would say that these guys (Humakt, Chalana, Issaries, etc...) are not following any holy path but may be not rejected by their gods (even if the established cults may reject them) (well if we suppose that live is always greater than goods, but unfortunately the current events tend to prove the opposite.)

I may be wrong, and, until there are no supplement (I will by it the D day 😛 ) for that, every thing may change for sure. But I understood* that when RP is what part of your soul you "sacrifice" (or "entrust") to your god, Hero Soul was what part of your soul you "store"/ "separate from the mundane world" in the god time for yourself (it is still a part of you, in this sense, yes i agree, like a fetch). so my hypothesis is that HS is not technically dependant on a god - you can "fuel" any of your runepools (if you have one or more) with it because as a hero you have a facility to manipulate the gate between mundane and god worlds - but you can't "fuel" your HS from one of your runepools because "your" runepools are not "yours" but only a kind of your part in your god(s) power after all , you may be a hero (HS) without any initiation, so without any runepool. How to recover it then if you need to worship a god ? * the white bull campaign is my source for all my post

Officially -and temporary-, until the rules are published, David answered "yes" but what I understand until now : - you can use heroic pow for heroic abilities (when they are not automatic) and heroic spells you may know / have - you can use heroic pow for any use a runepool can be used. - you cannot recover heroic pow by worshipping anyone. The only way is to be worshipped by others (but I don't have any metrics) Am I up to date ?

by the way, adding skills doesn't really demonstrate anything : what is the most interesting between [Read/write kralori +90%] and [dodge +50%] when your setting is Seshnela ? Is there any trouble if a warrior from esrolia has 50% in plant lore when a warrior from prax has maybe 15% ? what is the most efficient warrior between ? [weapon A +20%] [weapon B +20%] [weapon C +20%] [weapon D +20%] [weapon E +20%] [weapon F +20%] [weapon G +20%] = +140% and [weapon A +80%] = 80% so I would say that the balance between pc is more a GM responsability (offering anyone situation where their pc is good and is the one who will drive the group)

i see storm bul from the fear perspective : there are different fear answers : - submission - flight - violence I think that when the world was so desperatly "invaded" by chaos, a lot of gods were as anyone in a mental disposition like "Even if I fear it I will face chaos but I know I will lose" when the Storm bull was only in "I will destroy what I fear, there is no other option, the rest has no importance". And when the Devil fights with both physical violence and psychological violence, he was unable to have any psychological hold on the Bull, and then was defeated that's the first point what is storm bull for me : a raging / hater god ,. That doesn't mean he is not able to have friend, not able to have love, peace, loyalty etc... Just Storm Bull is not able to keep peaceful when there is a big frustration or a danger On this basis, it is normal to not have too many stormbullers in his sphere of influence. Most people want to live quietly (at least among their own clan / family) Managing two or three haters in a clan is possible, managing 50% of haters in a clan is just the end of the clan. In the same way, Storm bullers are not "those who hate chaos". About anyone worshiping the storm pantheon hates chaos. the difference with others is that Storm bullers, facing chaos, will not hear at all the fear they may have, there is no option they must destroy it, their own survival doesn't matter. If they feel any fear, their answer will be more rage to destroy this fear. If they think they will die, their answer will be more rage, more violence, more destruction, no other option. For me, you don't choose Storm bull (or the god doesn't choose you) because you hate chaos. You choose Storm Bull, because your answer to any threat is always violence, total violence.

Except chalana arroy and humakt i would say any his is available (and you even may find one of them in the group maybe disapproving their acts but for any reasons staying with them) depending on their gods(desses ) and their potential loyalties / passions the bandits will decide to attack or not an opportunity ban’s followers may decide to attack any men but not touch women for example Gargarthi will attack anyone (I think) Orlanthi may not attack their kin etc.. and a mixed group will be interesting : one bab’s among Valindi will protect the women even if she will kill their husbands/brothers if death is the choice. the humakti will refuse to ambush but once their Orlanthi friends have started the fight they may propose a honorable duel to avoid too much violence. when the white lady will heal anyone once

ransom is what others accept to pay if you are not able to pay yourself. So the point for me is more how many kin / firends / followers you have. I would say that during the play it is not a rule (aka : [well you are a warrior, 500 is your ransom]) but more [well... your secret lover is the husband of the Earth temple priestess... he may convinced her wife to pay a bigger ransom than 500, maybe 1200]. Or maybe [your affair is not so secret... and the priestess will order anyone to not help you at all and your ransom will be less than the "rule standard", maybe .. 80] now for the Sol.. it is about the same, I don't consider that you lose your status if you are not able to pay your Sol. For example if the priest of Orlanth is unable to pay the noble Sol (because war, raid, illness) should it be considered as a cottar ? No, he is priest, he is seen as a leader by his clan. However his clan, and himself, are "just" very poor so if you have a position of leader (priest, clan ring) you will still be seen as noble. But if you are not in these official positions, and have not enough money to be seen as "a prince" (low sol), well you're just "like me".

Something like Jamie Fraser in outlander ? i would agree i think (just now) there is another option in Orlanthi lands (aka « we are all equals and we choose our leaders. What ? Our leader is the child of our previous leader ? Oh didn’t see it before you told me ») If I simplify a lot : nobility gives order to others (I mean others when you don’t pay them to do something ) then there are two levels of nobility - ring member and priest (« job position ») : people. They lead their community (and we may find sub levels: clan chief, tribe chief, archipriest… in these organization ) - people who impress other (« social position ») I put there (ring member/priest)’families and any people rich enough to have the standard of living of noble (they have clients). These two categories have a great access to the ring and temple. So they are « respected » ( do you think that would you have the same service than Brad Pitt everywhere ? Why if you pay the same price ? ) or « feared »(I will not annoy them in case of)

probably but I think cottars are semi free. Or I don't understand the difference which is... possible 😛

well... they become free to move and to do what they want of their lives, not "free" as the status. I understand the three levels of free / semi free / and unfree as unfree / owner : you have some rights (probably few...) but you cannot leave your owner. You must obey and act as desired by your owner (in the limit defined by your rights) Anything you produce is for your owner. Your owner has the responsability to feed and shelter you semi free / boss : you can do what you want of your life, you can leave your clan(adventure or definitly), change job etc... However you don't own the source of your revenues (land, shop, mine...). So if you work for someone you must follow their decision: if you are herder your cannot decide to kill/sell the herd and plant vine for example. You even can't decide to change the process of production (you could however propose any progress to your boss). A part of you produce (outcome) if for your boss, a part is for you. You have the responsability to feed and shelter your family free / temple-ring: you can do what you want of your life, you can leave your clan (adventure or definitly), change job etc... However you don't totally own the land (the Earth temple is the true owner) but you can do what you want in the limit of the decisions of your clan/temple in your land/shop/mine/etc... now from a war perspective (still it is my understanding) I agree about importance of skirmishers etc.. However i don't define any "rule" like ("free / carl" must have armor) or (semi free / cottar must be skirmisher) Semi free fighters are probably skirmishers, not by rule but because they don't have enough money to buy close combat gear (good armor etc...) There is no reason to forbid a semi free fighter to wear "dad's plate armor" if daddy were able to own a plate armor. free fighters are probably good standing warriors with good armor (nobles have better in most cases) not by rule but because they have enough money to buy close combat gear and probably have time to train themselves better than semi free. There is no reason to forbid a free figher to wear no armor or to use a bow... If Jojo the berserker is able to cut a head every minute but cannot wear any armor or Koko the flying scoot is able to hit a wasp 500 meters away, you will not require them to wear heavy armor just because they are free or even noble.

the issue I faced on this point is the status (social position) versus the occupation (job position) there is something in the rules about the status : the standard of living , well designed (aka I have nothing to change for my taste) p 422 of the core rules So for me, in any culture where you can change your sociale class (orlanthi as example) you can be considered as a noble if your standard of living (what you pay, what you show) is 200+Lunars Of course in a rigid culture (Yelm without Red moon, maybe even with Red moon) you are noble only if your family is noble or if the great leader decides that now you are noble And don't forget the cult which is important too to define your role. Then, in my Glorantha at least, you may have a noble (status) merchant (occupation) of issaries (cult), or a noble (status) warrior (occupation) of orlanth (cult) if you start the game with a young character, change (occupation) by (parent occupation) but that is exactly the same, you learn from one of them you can see then 2 "default noble" (aka std of living) occupations, the noble (aspect war and leadership) and the priest (aspect cult and leadership). As the start it means a young character have learnt from their parents* one of the two often activities of a noble : lead the war/clan (occupation noble) and lead the cult/clan (occupation priest) * note that if your pc was cared by the temple, you may have learn the skill of the priest occupation even if your parents are/were not with the noble status. The noble status there is the temple which protected you Any combination is possible to define your role in the society noble (status) merchant (occupation) of issaries (cult). You may decide to focus your activity on business and let someone more spiritual lead the cult. So you are not a priest. However you are probably god talker and have some responsability (in all cases, as a noble you should show that you have Issaries favor !) You may be the official clan trader, if there is no temple of Issaries in the clan noble (status) noble (occupation) of issaries (cult). You may decide to focus your activity in politic more than business or spiritual lead. So you are not a priest, not a merchant. War is part of your duty, but you like to lead negociation (orate noble + issaries) and plan the clan supplies noble (status) priest (occupation) of issaries (cult). You may decide to focus your activity in the cult, you love to teach skills to young people, to organize the community of merchants, to plan the clan supplies, etc... Maybe you love to have authority on other merchants because your position, even if your skills would not allow you the same power... noble (status) noble (occupation) of orlanth (cult). You may decide to focus your activity on negociation with other clans and outsiders. Of course war is part of negociation but not only. Of course when the war you lead a part of the warriors clan, maybe you are the war leader. Of course some would dislike war with the same "tryptich" and other would prefer war than anything else. There is no rules, only examples noble (status) noble (occupation) of humakt(cult). You may decide to focus your activity on negociation with other clans and outsiders. Of course war is the best part of negociation but sometimes , few times not only and you will probably not be in charge of this rares cases . Of course when the war is come, you lead a part of the warriors clan, maybe you are the war leader. You love to organize, to plan and to train others. noble (status) warrior (occupation) of any war god(cult). You may decide to focus your activity on war. Other, more patient than you will negotiate before you are involved (or too often they succeed to decide that first the clan must negotiate and if it fails then you will play). You love to fight, to train yourself and other, to show how strong, skilled andpowerful you are. You love to see respect and fear in the eyes of the others. And what a pleasure to show your well designed, full of jewels armor and sword ! In combat you don't lead other with your words but with your acts. The fighters will be courageous not because you tell them to be but because you show them how they must be. standard (status) warrior (occupation) of any war god(cult). You may decide to focus your activity on war.You don't have to decide when and how war must be followed. You applies the orders. You train yourself and other, you guard and protect daily the clan or your boss . Maybe you are an adventurer, no or few responsability for your clan. Maybe you are a mercenary, responsability for your company standard (status) noble (occupation) of any war god(cult). You are not rich or your dislike to show your wealth or you are just prudent and want to save a lot of money for your old days/your family in case of.... You are rarerly involved in the decision of the clan but you can advice the leader. When it is war time, or when you are in a mercenary company, you are in charge of other warriors you lead them and follow the plan of the war/company leader . Just some examplesand no restriction 🙂