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the majority of Sartarite men are initiates of Orlanth. If I follow your way, it would mean that all battles against Sartarite should be on air: being able to fight in 3 dimensions when their opponents (aka lunars, trolls* ..) only fight in 2d is an advantage (**) during fight or to prepare the battle (to place bowmen and other skirmishers in better position for example). I think you demonstrate what I say: if we follow the rules for anybody, you are right, all the orlanthi army should be able to fly. There is no story about full (fool ?) flying army I believe? Or another question: if everyone is able to fly, why do they use walls around their cities (I mean, when Sartar arrived and built the towns, the majority of neighbours -Tarsh, Heortland,...- were orlanthi too. Then the need of very good walls seems weird) In the same way, a clan may choose to use teleportation and not fly. Then it is too easy to reach the leaders / specific units behind the front line / shield wall (and no risk of dismiss then). That is not dishonorable if you attack your opponent leader in front of him and let the mass behind you * except giants insects for trollkin, moons (?) and things like that but Sartarite have the wind with them in addition * * ok there is dismiss spell and friends but that can be "blocked" too

that's what I think. Seems to me that the material makes the same "mistake" than what we do often (I include myself) : seeing the "player book/rule" as the "world rule" the world would be too inconsistant if we follow only the rules for everything (too too many enchantments seeing the cost, too too many war mounts seeing how easy it is to breed and train beasts, too too many people thanks to bless crops, too many resurrections, with the reusable spell etc...) Of course we have explanations. For example, white healers cannot resurrect everyone because their rune pool is used to heal wounds and diseases. But... is there any rule explaining that pc must roll every season a d100 to determinate if they are injured just because their occupation, their life, etc... No. Does that means there are no accident for npc ? I don't think so 🙂

so do I. The issue I see is the resolution of critical versus special. The output is not binary. You may "offer" a critical damage but the opponent may parry a part of it, what about the damage on the weapon, etc.... so if we want to follow exactly the rules, it means about 20 numbers in each cell 😛

a good question Is it even a chaotic action ? I mean what is the difference with cannibalism (human on human at least) ?

There are two things : - the holy day is important for the background, I agree with you - the holiday as, from a game design perspective, a rune points generator. For this, I agree with @Rodney Dangerduck then I apply things differently: - if it is an adventure per season, pc start the adventure with full rp. Of course is one player wants to « burn » some to for any background/social rp that is allowed (for example a farmer who wants bless crops or an artist who has a big show for the court outside of any scenario) Then during the play there is an holy day, I let the players decide if they use their time for devotion or not - when the adventure is longer than a season they can replenish one per season during the holy day they want (with the worship roll, adding stress) ’it could be explained as the rune pool represents the pc capacity to open the gate to the other world per season and not the god’s capacity to answer when the gate is opened. Let’s say that if you have more than one pool you have different gates to open but, at the end of the day, there is only one source : the POW you sacrifice that is just a house rule

I have not roll stats for decades, too much frustration if you want to play one specific character (imagine, you want a warrior with a 2h weapon and you get STR 12 ? or a sorcerer with INT 8 ?!). In my opinion/taste rolls should be use during the play, not the generation.

yes that is exactly what I mean: because the fumble, you ask yourself ==> illumination (if I understand your point)

not yet done, so just my thoughts : - during an heroquest, facing a big thing like chaos during orlanth initiation, but could be something without any chaos, just something very very powerful. Not something to fight/destroy, just "see and feel" - or probably during a passion roll fumble. Not during a "simple" augment, but when there is a crisis. For example you are seeing your clan/temple burning, you fumble and... well you don't feel anything, seems weird... i would say that you probably feel right away that something is weird (why seeing your village burning is not important ?) even if you don't think immediatly about illumination. I would propose that, as a gm, there are two options (or more, depending on the different "trigger") : - when a fumble passion, you don't have to say "it is weird", just say you don't feel nothing, and let the player think about that (so when depends on the player 😛 ) - during heroquest, the gm could say that the character is attracted by the source, or anything "against" the character values. No repulsion/hate or things like that. That doesn't mean the character will follow the opposite way (becoming chaotic for example) just, that he/she will not impulsively react, and have time to... think about what he/she faces.

sorry for that my point was not about the how but about the biological possibility there is no english page for this so the french version(and yes irl there is probably a sadly part of bad things but don't know if in other context, in other cultures, - i mean isolated people in isolated lands, people of 13 may be considered as adult, biologicaly and culturaly ) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_plus_jeunes_mères_du_monde I wouldn't count in day to compare biological evolution of a being. there is nothing saying that 1 gloranthan day = 1 earth day after all, or that one G-second = one E-second If i remember, people can be initiated from 12 years old in the background (even if the pc generation is 15-16) as if you are initiate, I understand it as you are an adult in all points, identified by the nature, the gods, the mortals as able to do what an adult is able to do.

Ahah it seems I’m a killjoy 😛 so, by the way, I voted for a topic but any of them could be interesting the only thing I m looking for (but that’s my taste, other may surely be different) is to be the much possible canon. spirit cult / local hero cult allows weird/anti-canon options even in the killjoy scenario (well if I understand @mfbrandi diagram) if there are rule, I would like (again personal taste) to see something like « well the rules propose to play like that but I prefer this one » and « When I write these words there is no rule about xxx so here is my proposal » it allows people like me to to understand quickly the difference between your glorantha+game design, the canon, and their own glorantha+game design

Bah 13 is possible to be mother I heard about 9/10 years old girls in our world (what ? Am I speaking about irl to answer a gloranthan topic ?! Argh! Is@Joerg leading me to his path ? 🥰 )

That’s why I don’t create characters with dices then it is a question of player choice. no more issue about pow x 5 I agree that too many rolls kill the rolls but I think that, when you are in action , a roll is useful (the issue is we need more than one roll) I have not yet find a better solution ( for my taste, other may have different needs)

for me it depends a lot of the context if it is a ritual, it is not adultery: if (priest of ) Orlanth and (priestess of) Ernalda have sex during a religious ceremony, there is nothing because they are not themselves but the gods. if it is not during a ritual, it is adultery*: if the same priest of Orlanth and the same priestess of Ernalda have sex just because they want to have pleasure, there is aldutery (of course if they are not married) By the way if you visit the Uleria temple (or Uleria wanderers), it is considered as a ritual (sun county supplement, at least french version) * I follow the definition of cambridge dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/dictionnaire/anglais/adultery however in this definition, there is no mention of morale, oath breaking or anything bad. Again it will depend on the context, the culture, the type of marriage, the oath between the couple. I imagine (but no reference) that is not alowed for a Yelm/Yelmalio/any noble light god (aka not Lodril)/ worshipper's spouse to see elsewhere. And it may depend on the male god (Yelm has concubines, Yelmalio seems "cursed" as usual and be monogamous :p) I remember in an official book (supplement about sartarite clan, probably HQ, but not sure, and not sure if it is still canon or not) there was a comment about an ernlada npc who was sad to see her husband following so much the adventurous way of his god. So I consider: - it is acceptable in sartarite context - people may suffer of such behaviour Of course if a couple for any reason (personal love or alliance negociation, or certain type of marriage, or source of magic, or ...) swear to never visit anyone else, adultery would become a Bab's topic (or other)

unnecessary if you consider flowers are pollen recipients etc... what if you consider flower as flower, and nothing more, nothing related to pollination ? Or if you consider flowers as a gift of the goddesses, to feed people, to feed beast, or just to be beautiful, we need them 🙂 Our ancestors saw flowers before someone understood the role of pollen. I imagine they did not say that flowers were unnecessary. As anything people don't understand, they probably saw behind it the "magic" (and the "proof" of existence ) of any entity (call it gods, spirits, alien, giants, elves, magicians...) I imagine they did worship (propitiatory or with devotion) to see flowers (and the rest) every springs. After all if anything is explaned by universal mindless laws, there is no reason to worship anything/anyone. as i don't need pollination (even if i need flowers 😛 ) i don't need photosynthesis too (even if i need plants). Our needs/tastes/explanation of glorantha are so different ! (and both respectable, I think) In fact, for me, if there are pollination, photosynthesis, etc.. the gods are 😉 ...

remember women can join stormbull WARNING PEGI 60 / bad humour and sensitive beast

and to complete what means lunar magic, it (in rq3) was the capacity to change duration, intensity, etc of any spirit spell (in the same way that sorcery did - rq3 - ) note that to become red goddess initiate you must be illuminate, be initiate of a lunar cult, and have 90% in 3 magical skills (not the same than rqg) so probably you may have 90% in meditation and in some other magical skills (spirit lore ? spirit combat ?)

Of course However the point then is about the other spirits society (let’s say a light spirits society) will all the other light spirits accept your shaman to « trade » with darkness spirits ? they are probably not too hostile (as one of their spirit member is in the other society) but they may request more efforts/sacrifice -pow, mp, cows, time, taboo, - than a « light » shaman

Heler, maybe Mastakos, would say there are always another way 😛

seems to me that you merge different levels: gods are not made like living. They are not created with the same process. They even don't need parents of the same "specie" (if specie makes senses for a god) or any seed. I m not sure that any mortal semen is sentient, worthy enough to be worshipped and able to provide magic 🙂 as Ernalda defines that mothers take care and feed their children, I totally accept that species following that calves need for milk that's right we are not in green age, but does that mean that anything created before or during the green age must be altered to fit irl processes ? I agree, but that doesn't demonstrate anything about bees 🙂 Is my option less valid ? Land goddesses offer seeds to their worshippers. They teach people how to use them correctly and how to celebrate the Land. During the day/week/... of celebration, a part of the worship is sacrifice magic and mundane resources, a part is dance and song, a part is sensual encounters, a part is to spreed the seeds of the grains, etc... When the worship is well done (so among the rest, if the spread is well done ), the new cycle will provide a better harvest than if people do it with few caution and respect of the Earth. But that doesn't change anything about plants in the wild. Note that I m not saying that applying / explaining Glorantha with IRL reference is against "canon", but for me it is an option, one choice among others to enrich the background. After all if horses are birds.. Does that mean the foel comes from the egg ? Sounds more "magical", at least 🙂 Or does that mean the myth is false and horses are mammals ? Then are they winds heirs ? (after all they galop like the wind, when not domesticated, they are free like the wind and struggle to not be tamed ! ) Or is there another reason ? What is not said by the canon is a side of "our glorantha may vary" (the other side being what people change/remove from the canon)

Bees, as insect in glorantha, are from gorakiki. They produce honey and that's all. No, they are not actor of this strange word you use "pollination" Genert, Flamal, Ernalda and any earth deity created trees, grass, flowers, plants. And trees, grass, flowers, any plants reproduce themselves with the power of growing. They don't need any thing else than the power of the Earth Queen. Of course the Ernalda's husband-protectors may help to fertilize her, offering a part of their power to the Earth. But her subjects don't need any... beast ??? pouah ! Do you really believe that humans need trolls to have children ? Or merfolk needs dwarves ? nah

heroes yes in Stormbringer. Not sure if Elric's father, but there were many (not billions :p) , each of them "gaining" more land. So maybe Elric's father, I don't remember that but I don't think the "chaos nature" in Stormbringer, in Glorantha and for example in Chronicles of Amber are the same. I understand differences for the "matter" ( world with less logic and opportunity to create matter with more "logic" in SB, world with less logic in Amber, primal chaos dissolving matter in Glorantha -we don't know if there is "something" beyond glorantha.. well I don't know, maybe some have reference about that-) and for the sentient creatures -god or just being-, there are many difference too (evil but structured in SB, just "normal" in Amber - so god, bad, smart, dumb like anyone else-, evil and unstructured for the majority in Glorantha) and probably we (here in this forum) project our personal understanding of what is chaos (matter and gods), so it is hard to share a demonstration when we don't share the definition (maybe some of you will disagree with me about the danger of non sentient chaos -gorps, bat, ... - for the "world" , world as the definition of glorantha, the world where there was a spike of law, now destroyed. What there is beyond glorantha, if something exists beyond, is not part of the world from my gloranthan perspective)

so maybe his fundamental goal was to killed Ralzakark and, as Illuminate he did no "sane" stormbuller could ever do, he joined a chaotic army. (hypothesis) his illumination did not convince (illuminate?) him that chaos is good, but that joining (maybe in his logic temporary) chaos to destroy more chaos is good

illumination, as I understand it, frees you from the instinctive, or non reasoned feelings.Gloranthan hate/fear chaos because their instinct, their runes, "tell" them chaos is dangerous. once illuminated, that doesn't mean you welcome chaos. That just means (still, my opinion) that you understand something, differently. Your eyes are now open, beyond the smog of your instinct, your culture, the ordinary sense. Your reason, and your teachers if you are part of any school - lunar, arkati, etc... - demonstate what Chaos is (and other things). Of course Arkati would say Lunar demonstration is wrong, false, etc... and Lunars would say that Arkati demonstration is wrong, false. the key point is logic (with mistakes from other schools than yours) drives you now. then the discussion about Gbadji and Arkat makes more sense: Arkat is Gabdji for those who consider its demonstration with deliberate mistake = a lie, and vice versa.

these pictures change a lot what I imagined of Prax... Then, what is the difference between Pent and Prax (except temperature). I imagined Pent was like the picture, and by difference Prax more arid ? Or maybe the pictures are for Prax in Sea Season ?

by the way, I remember somewhere in that forum Jeff said that Orlanthi have dogs too. Alynx arte sacred, but dogs may be useful too (before his post, I believed the same that you said : "orlanthi hate dogs" but it seems less "passionate")