AlHazred Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) I know we're back to the abbreviated rune list, but there's one rune question I don't think I ever heard the answer to. In Storm Tribe (2004), Engizi was given a serpentine rune everywhere except his woodcut. You can still see it on the "Runes (2004)" page. They corrected that pretty quickly on the website; it was supposed to be a jagged, almost-water-arrow which you can see on Engizi's page. But what was that original serpentine rune for? Was that rune for one of the dragons? Edited July 26, 2021 by AlHazred 1 Quote ROLAND VOLZ Running: 1870s Mashup Hero System | Playing: nothing | Planning: D&D 5E/OSE/Fantasy Hero Home Game D&D is an elf from Tolkien, a barbarian from Howard, and a mage from Vance fighting monsters from Lovecraft in a room that looks like it might have been designed by Wells and Giger. - TiaNadiezja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 50 minutes ago, AlHazred said: Engizi was given a serpentine rune I think the serpentine rune is Lorion, the Sky River (from which Engizi is a part of or descends from). See GRoY p.53 constellations and p.16 the Doom Conjunction. There might also be association with one of the parts of Yelm: Bern Eel Arashagorm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leingod Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 The "head" on that Rune might actually be Skyfall Lake, with the "body" being the river itself. Sort of like how Oslira is also depicted as a serpent or even a dragon; deities of Water are the ones most often compared to/conflated with dragons, funny enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) The snake rune is the Lorion rune , the river arrow is the Engizi rune (look at the file names). It's important to realise that these runes represent the gods in different situations or at different times. Lorion. As Lorion's origin is from the Styx, I don't think it's part of Yelm's fertility. Berneel & Arashagern from Greg's notes that are early / lost iconography.from the genealogy of Yelm. These are from an Orlanthi perspective: As you can see, not all wiggly runes are the same. Edited July 27, 2021 by David Scott 3 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlHazred Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 That's fantastic! And I'm disappointed in myself that I didn't think to check the filename... Quote ROLAND VOLZ Running: 1870s Mashup Hero System | Playing: nothing | Planning: D&D 5E/OSE/Fantasy Hero Home Game D&D is an elf from Tolkien, a barbarian from Howard, and a mage from Vance fighting monsters from Lovecraft in a room that looks like it might have been designed by Wells and Giger. - TiaNadiezja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott-martin Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 5:42 AM, David Scott said: Berneel & Arashagern from Greg's notes that are early / lost iconography.from the genealogy of Yelm. This may be my favorite thing as the month winds down. Every bit of it. Especially the "-eel" and the dragon motif (the paired runes are familiar in terrestrial astrology) and the notion that a yelm that can be built up out of obscure portions as well as distintegrated. Also I think Engizi will one day be revealed as a very, very strange river. Quote singer sing me a given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, scott-martin said: Especially the "-eel" Makes you think about what myths the Eel-ariash draw upon (and the close affinity of "ariash" and "Arash"...). Did they have their hands in the rise of the Boat Planet too? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott-martin Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, jajagappa said: Did they have their hands in the rise of the Boat Planet too? Love it. "I thought I drowned my sorrows but [my sorrows] learned to swim." We might be close to figuring out the celestial-but-not-"solar" ideology that competes with the Assiday orthodoxy in the post-1625 heartlands. I wonder about the greenness of Hon-Eel's dragon as well. Edited July 28, 2021 by scott-martin zinger 2 Quote singer sing me a given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 What would be their incentive to return the planet of Anaxial? Is that part of their preparations to put Phargentes the Younger through the Ten Tests? If so, would said worthy have been participating in the Boat Quest? At age 14, with that mother, he may very well have been ready for the challenge. 1 1 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Joerg said: What would be their incentive to return the planet of Anaxial? Preparing the path for the White Moon's journey? 2 hours ago, Joerg said: If so, would said worthy have been participating in the Boat Quest? At age 14, with that mother, he may very well have been ready for the challenge. Yes, would be cool/make sense to have Phargentes on the Boat Quest. Maybe he needs to talk to the Sky Dragon or maybe the celestial (and underworld) journey does prepare him for specific myths. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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