Martin Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) What are Manthi Flints or Manthi Stones? I know Harmast used these to defeat the Bad Rain, and that Manthi is an ocean king, so what are there stones? Edited February 21, 2022 by Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Where are these referenced? Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Duguid Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) For the Harmast / Bad Rain reference, see: In that, the Manthi Flints were used by Harmast to kill the Only Old One's son Angorsk Ig. In Sartar Kingdom of Heroes (pg 196) and Storm Tribe (pg 18) there are Manthi stones that wounded Zorak Zoran's "evil son". Edited February 21, 2022 by Brian Duguid Added Storm Tribe reference Quote -- An Unofficial Buyer's Guide to RuneQuest and Glorantha lists everything currently available for the game and setting, across 60 pages. "Lavishly illustrated throughout, festooned with hyperlinks" - Nick Brooke. The Voralans presents Glorantha's magical mushroom humanoids, the black elves. "A wonderful blend of researched detail and Glorantha crazy" - Austin Conrad. The Children of Hykim documents Glorantha's shape-changing totemic animal people, the Hsunchen. "Stunning depictions of shamanistic totem-animal people, really evocative" - Philip H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Duguid Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) Link to original FB post from Jeff: https://www.facebook.com/groups/RuneQuest/posts/2102523479923640/ Also here for those without FB: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/websites/facebook/2021-11-jeff-on-facebook/ Edited February 21, 2022 by Brian Duguid Added Well of Daliath link Quote -- An Unofficial Buyer's Guide to RuneQuest and Glorantha lists everything currently available for the game and setting, across 60 pages. "Lavishly illustrated throughout, festooned with hyperlinks" - Nick Brooke. The Voralans presents Glorantha's magical mushroom humanoids, the black elves. "A wonderful blend of researched detail and Glorantha crazy" - Austin Conrad. The Children of Hykim documents Glorantha's shape-changing totemic animal people, the Hsunchen. "Stunning depictions of shamanistic totem-animal people, really evocative" - Philip H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 so any guesses on what they are anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Martin said: so any guesses on what they are anyone? Real world flints are opal (silicaceous algae shell fragments) sedimented and then compacted into a mineral glass. With the Manthi being sea deities, they may have some form of organ containing material which can sediment or remain as dry residue if they die on dry land. Such residue might compact to flint under sufficient stress - possibly exposure to lightning or thunderbolts. One fun way would be to find them in Godtime, Flood Age, on the Trembling Shore while Worcha approaches again and again, its impact causing earlier defeated attacks and loss of substance to aggregate as flints. That would explain how such artifacts exist in the region where Harmast lived. 1 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRE Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I would pick a simple explanation, even if Occam's razor is not a reliable tool in Glorantha. Thunderstones are always flintstones. Manthi stones are badass thunderstones, and getting them requires a heroquest to get Manthi to gift them to you. Harmast probably discovered or rediscovered this myth. Considering the relationship between water and air, I would make it a non-violent quest, except for getting to Manthi's realm. That could have some martial challenges. As a second explanation, if there are electric eels in Glorantha, that could be a source, a gem in their body that generates lightning. Manthi could be their overlord or father. Or you could combine both, with a trip to Manthi's realm and facing off giant electric eels for the gems in their heads. A way to have a thunderstone with a rating over the 15-20 maximum of the Bless Thunderstone spell. Hero stuff, or munchkinism, but just think of what could be done with a 50 rating thunderstone, or something like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 I Doubt the manthi Flints are "super thunderstones" as Harmast had a Thunderstone and it was not that he used to defeat the bad rain and used the manthi flints out of desperation or accident perhaps...could these be something from the defeat of the sea at trembling shore...sure thats feasible...the blood of the defeated sea king and his sons? Do they somehow "capture" the ""water" aspects of the Bad Rain or "dry them" up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlHazred Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Hmmm... Manthi Flints used to defeat the Bad Rain, which is a Storm Tribe entity, the shadow of Orlanth. We know Manthi is King of the Water Tribe, but not the ruler of the Oceans. We don't know much about the Water Tribe creatures that defeated Storm Gods, whose children are Gnydrons. Manthi could have been one of them. Maybe they're the weapon Manthi used to defeat a Storm god. If a lot of Water creatures were being defeated, Manthi may have taken something from the enemies and changed it; water is all about transformation and cycles of change. Quote ROLAND VOLZ Running: nothing | Playing: Battletech Hero, CoC 7th Edition, Blades in the Dark | Planning: D&D 5E Home Game, Operation: Sprechenhaltestelle, HeroQuest 1E Sartarite Campaign D&D is an elf from Tolkien, a barbarian from Howard, and a mage from Vance fighting monsters from Lovecraft in a room that looks like it might have been designed by Wells and Giger. - TiaNadiezja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Wulfraed Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Non-sequitur: as long as they don't result from godly kidney stones 👹 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, AlHazred said: We don't know much about the Water Tribe creatures that defeated Storm Gods, whose children are Gnydrons. Manthi could have been one of them. Maybe they're the weapon Manthi used to defeat a Storm god. If a lot of Water creatures were being defeated, Manthi may have taken something from the enemies and changed it; water is all about transformation and cycles of change. The Manthi (or Manthie) are the offspring of Manthe (or Manthi) and Natea, and their sibling Magasta. Lorion is one of the most prominent first generation offspring or Manthi and Natea. Descended from Daliath and Framanthe, Mind and Soul of the Waters. The Sea Kings (or Queens) would take the asociated bodies of water (offspring of Sramake and Daliath) as wives/husbands, giving birth to the currents of the Seas and the primal rivers (other than the Styx). The Gnydron ancestress (then ancestor) Janelosp was one of the Niiads descended from Mirintha and Phargon, children of Triolina - Mirintha with Nelat, Phargon with Grandfather Mortal. Descended from Sramak and Framanthe, Body and Soul of the Waters. 1 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlHazred Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Did any of them defeat storm gods other than (IIRC) Lorion? Quote ROLAND VOLZ Running: nothing | Playing: Battletech Hero, CoC 7th Edition, Blades in the Dark | Planning: D&D 5E Home Game, Operation: Sprechenhaltestelle, HeroQuest 1E Sartarite Campaign D&D is an elf from Tolkien, a barbarian from Howard, and a mage from Vance fighting monsters from Lovecraft in a room that looks like it might have been designed by Wells and Giger. - TiaNadiezja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, AlHazred said: Did any of them defeat storm gods other than (IIRC) Lorion? The general trend was that Storm overcame Sea, but remember that there is plenty of bronze to be found in and around Kerofinela, so we can assume that Storm had its casualties in its war with the Seas during the Flood. None famous, though (but then we don't know the name of the Vadrudi mother of the Gnydron either), and possibly without any chance for the victor to boast about it after the battle as most of the battles were won by Storm. 1 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlHazred Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Joerg said: we can assume that Storm had its casualties in its war with the Seas during the Flood. None famous, though Sure, the written sources we have from that period are overwhelmingly from the human camp (either Lhankor Mhy or Irripi Ontor, for the most part) so I wouldn't expect them to record the Storm Tribe's occasional utter failure! 🙂 I just feel like, if the Sea Tribe did have a victory, the victor is likely to have held onto whatever they plundered from Storm, and whatever it is will transform while in possession of the Sea. It's inevitable, like the tide! And if it was tied to lore that was key to defeating a Storm God one time, then it would likely be useful for anybody else looking to defeat a Storm God in the future, like Harmast. Quote ROLAND VOLZ Running: nothing | Playing: Battletech Hero, CoC 7th Edition, Blades in the Dark | Planning: D&D 5E Home Game, Operation: Sprechenhaltestelle, HeroQuest 1E Sartarite Campaign D&D is an elf from Tolkien, a barbarian from Howard, and a mage from Vance fighting monsters from Lovecraft in a room that looks like it might have been designed by Wells and Giger. - TiaNadiezja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius West Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) I think Manthi Flints might be a euphemistic term for borrowed thunderstones. Manthi charges his with electric eels who stole the magic before time. Edited March 7, 2022 by Darius West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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