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Afraid the unpleasant exercise to translate outstanding 2016 comments to 2018 pdf pages took over eight hours over the weekend. Will start to use document page numbers. However, as I'm reading the document offline, it isn't possible to check for previously reported comments, except during the brief time I have to be online each day, and that will require more effort. The 2016 checking took forty to fifty hours plus, and this exercise is likely to take as long. Simply working through the charts yesterday afternoon took two hours.

Something entirely unofficial...

Page reference below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. Comments on charts (some duplication with earlier comments) Warning: when checking the genealogical charts, I assumed that the charts were wrong, and the text was correct. Looking at King of Sartar, from which the charts are mostly derived, I have concluded that the charts may be correct, and the text may be wrong. Unfortunately, the text in King of Sartar also disagrees with the charts in that book. The same goes for some of the spelling of names. Obviously, if dates in the chart or text are wrong, they throw out subsequent dates. Either the discrepancies are intentional, or the charts or text are wrong. I’m not in a position to determine which; I can only identify that there’s a potential issue here. Long ago I checked the text of King of Sartar, but didn't see the charts until it was published. The Feathered Horse Queens Page 23: Yorastina – might be - Yoristina Saronil (1497–1552) – page 29 says he died in 1550 Verala Tor (1544–1582) Feathered Horse Queen (1565–1582) Queen of Dragon Pass (1575–1582) – Page 22 says Queen of Dragon Pass 1579 to 1582 Saraskos (1575–1597) – Page 31 says Saraskos was killed in the Holy Country in 1587 The Illaro Dynasty Page 28 Palashee Long Axe – should be - Palashee Longaxe Pharandos – should be - Pharandros Sartar Dynasty House of Saronil Page 30 Featherd Horse Queen – should be – Feathered Horse Queen “Reaches Furthest” – on page 22 - Reaches Farthest Ernalsor - King of Sartar names Sartar’s father as Ernalsar Saronil (Born 1497) 2nd Prince of Sartar (1520–1552) – page 29 says he died in 1550 Yorastina (Born 1496) – should be - Yoristina Jarolar (Born 1519) 3rd Prince of Sartar (1552–1557) – Page 29 says - Crowned in 1550, died in 1565 Jarosar (Born 1535) 4th Prince of Sartar (1557–1561) – Page 29 says - Crowned in 1565, died in 1569 Featherd Horse Queen “Mother of Lands” – should be – Feathered Horse Queen “Mother of Lands” Enerin “Iron Eye” – on page 46 - Enerin Ironeye Yorastina – should be - Yoristina Yaransor – on page 29 - Yaransoar Sartar Dynasty —House of Argrath— Page 51 Sarotar (Born 1518, Died 1546) Eneera Tor Featherd Horse Queen “Reaches Furthest” - Featherd Horse Queen – should be – Feathered Horse Queen - “Reaches Furthest” – on page 22 - Reaches Farthest Minara (Born 1539) Ernalsor - King of Sartar names Sartar’s father as Ernalsar Saronil (Born 1497) 2nd Prince of Sartar (1520–1552) – page 29 says he died in 1550 Yorastina – should be - Yoristina Jarolar (Born 1519) 3rd Prince of Sartar (1552–1557) – Page 29 says - Crowned in 1550, died in 1565 Onelisin “Cat Witch” (Born 1520) – usually Onelisin Cat-Witch Sorana “Millstone” – on Page 29 - Sorana Millstone Argrath (Born 1599) 8th Prince of Sartar (1627–1655) King of Dragon Pass,Kethaela, and Saird – Page 211 says - Argrath was born in 1596 Genealogy of the primary Water deities page 87 Framanth – should be – Framanthe Genealogy of the primary Fire/Sky deities page 101 Polestar – elsewhere in document – Pole Star Murharazam – should be – Murharzarm Tolat – as the other gods are given Dara Happan names might this be – Shargash Page 206 - From the Temple of the Black Arkat at Arkat’s Hold – picture has been cropped very poorly, meaning that several deities are cut off. Needs resizing. The caption also hides one deity – Lodril, and Orlanth is completely cut out of the picture! Please reconsider the formatting of this picture, as much of its artistry and detail is lost.

Palashee overturned Lunar rule in Tarsh until he was killed; he was the thirteenth king, but not of the dynasty of Lunar Kings.

Page references below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. More 2016 comments still probably applicable. New material in bold. Page 72: there is variation in giving Void, Silence, Prime Mover, Well capital letters. Suggest all instances should have a capital letter. [Still true for Void and Prime Mover] Page 73: When meditations were complete – might be - When its meditations were complete Page 71: Ratslaff – should be – Ratslaf [Previously detected in text but now present in a caption] Page 31: and raised the new city of Alone – might be - and founded the new city of Alone Page 35: As a result, Moirades became the third King of Dragon Pass – third is incorrect. Guide to Glorantha says: Sacred Kings of Dragon Pass Ironhoof the Centaur: from 1120 to 1218. Yanasdros the Sun: 1260 to 1290 Arim the Pauper: 1345 to 1370 Sartar the Founder: 1492 to 1520 Tarkalor Trollkiller: 1569 to 1582 Moirades: 1589 to 1610 Text should read: As a result, Moirades became the sixth King of Dragon Pass Page 26: (chart) Pharandos (1610–Present) – should be Pharandros [I have not checked the charts thoroughly… This turned up when checking the previous comment] Page 36: King Storm Kahn – should be - King Storm Khan Page 38: Western barbarians – probably - Western Barbarians Page 76: Hykimi – might be – Hykim Page 83: mentioned elsewhere this issue – should be - mentioned elsewhere [Seems to be a hangover from the original magazine publication] Page 83: Six Earths – this phrase is not used anywhere else in the document. Suggest they be listed, under this title, in the Deities of the Earth chapter. In Context: Ty Kora Tek is also the Goddess of Dark in the Earth, mentioned elsewhere this issue as one of the Six Earths – suggests this sentence needs to be reworked; the Six Earths may have been mentioned in the magazine but not here, by that title. Page 83: god of Undead – suggest - god of Undeath Page 97: She took Sramak as a lover, and together gave birth to – should be - She took Sramak as a lover, and together they gave birth to Page 113: The five sons of Umath, by order of birth, are: Kolat, Storm Bull, Vadrus, Humakt, and Orlanth – no mention of Ragnaglar? [see page 128] Page 135: Two hundred years before the Dawn – do ‘years’ have any meaning before Time? Page 58: Individualism, Vegetarianism, Octamonism – Vegetarianism not subsequently mentioned Page 144: of the foreign cult Gbaji – might be - of the foreign cult of Gbaji Page 153: Lady of the Wild – might be - Lady of the Wilds Page 15: Inside dissension and outside enemies – suggest - Interior dissension and exterior enemies Charts: Yorastina – should be – Yoristina [Corrected in the text] Page 82: In 5/2 (1465) aged 21 – No, 20. Table previously made to attempt to sort this out: Age 4/36 1445 4/37 1446 1 4/38 1447 2 4/39 1448 3 4/40 1449 4 4/41 1450 5 4/42 1451 6 4/43 1452 7 4/44 1453 8 4/45 1454 9 4/46 1455 10 4/47 1456 11 4/48 1457 12 4/49 1458 13 4/50 1459 14 4/51 1460 15 4/52 1461 16 4/53 1462 17 4/54 1463 18 5/1 1464 19 5/2 1465 20 5/3 1466 21 5/4 1467 22 5/5 1468 23 5/6 1469 24 5/7 1470 25 Terminus Est

Chain mail (as interlinked rings) dates back to around the 4th Century BC in western Europe, becoming more common from the 3rd Century BC, and being copied by the Romans as lorica hamate. An example found at a Romano-British temple at Woodeaton was made of iron and bronze links - the bronze fittings may have been decorative. Roman Republic/Empire 'stuff' now tends to lie outside the catchment zone for inspiration for human Gloranthan cultures. For Glorantha, given the technical knowledge required, as well as the expense, it's probably best viewed as Mostali, with human smiths unlikely to have knowledge of its manufacture.

Page 18 (numbered 13): There is another tale of Hiia Swordman - in KoS (with one exception), and Sartar Companion, spelling is - Hiia Swordsman This swordsman returned in a cult of weapons masters in the time of the Feathered Horse Queen - suspect this might read - The weapon master cult of this swordsman returned in the time of the Feathered Horse Queen

Page references below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. More outstanding 2016 comments, with some still probably applicable. New material in bold. Page 213: He could be approached – should be - He can be approached [Odd change of tense in sentence] Page 213: 12 meters / He is 150 meters tall – aren’t imperial measurements now the standard? Page 54: landclearing farmers - should be - land-clearing farmers Page 63: The Uz names for troll types are duplicated in successive paragraphs. Page 63: deities of darkness – should be – deities of Darkness [see usage elsewhere] Page 66: Their departure revealed a thinly populated revealed a region thinly populated by indigenous tribes previously enslaved by the nomads – should be - Their departure revealed a region thinly populated by indigenous tribes previously enslaved by the nomads Page 67: received her apotheosis by and as Arachne Solara – meaning (intentionally?) unclear Page 68: population southward downwards the extensive ruins of Pavis – Pavis is to the east! And this sentence is incomplete. Suggest - population eastwards to the extensive ruins of Pavis [It might be argued that Pavis is south of Dagori Inkarth (actually roughly south-east) but this sentence doesn’t make sense] Suggest - the leaders of Dagori Inkarth sent part of the population southwards towards the extensive ruins of Pavis. Page 142: ancient even before time began – should be - ancient even before Time began Page 142: Central Peloria gave birth to the theistic way of life – should be - Central Genertela gave birth to the theistic way of life. [This is debatable, but there were theists in Maniria and Dragon Pass] Page 145: become the Destroyer he saught to eradicate - should be - become the Destroyer he sought to eradicate Page 148: In Peloria, the tired eastern satraps – might be - In Peloria, the tired eastern satrapies Page 152: celestial and Underworld powers – suggest – Celestial and Underworld powers Page 39: rebel gods – should be – Rebel Gods [Usage elsewhere] Page 158: They eventually helped the Empire of the Wyrms Friends dispose of the decadent Dara Happan Empire, and led nations aiding in the disposal of humans and dragonewts of Dragon Pass many years later – paragraph start should be indented. Page 161: intercept at Raibanth – should be - intercept her at Raibanth Page 173: Hwarin-Ong Satrapal clan – the Guide gives: Hwarin-ony clan Page 174: Thunder River – probably – Thunder Delta – but possibly – Oslir River? Page 178: ravenkaaz – should be – ravenkaaz [in italics] Page 179: even the mighty Thunder River – the Oslir River? Page 177: During the week-long ceremony – should be - During the two week-long ceremony Page 177: Usually, each of the five Gloranthan elemental pantheons is given a day to celebrate their particular rites, and usually in the traditional Order of Creation: darkness, sea, earth, sky, and air – should be - Usually, each of the five Gloranthan Elemental pantheons is given a day to celebrate their particular rites, and usually in the traditional Order of Creation: Darkness, Sea, Earth, Sky, and Air. [Somehow, Earth has become Rarth] Page 177: smack of God-learning – might be - smack of God Learning. Page 182: daughter of Sandene, a washer woman - Page 178 says he was married to a weaving woman Page 183: future sultanate of Oraya – should be - future satrapy of Oraya Page 183: horse-peoples – should be Horse Peoples Page 183: hell – should be – Hell [General comment] Page 184: Syndic’s ban in the west – should be – Syndic’s Ban in the west Page 185: Prince Phornostes – should be - Prince Phoronestes – and shouldn’t he be – King Phoronestes Page 185: Closing of the seas – should be – Closing of the Seas Page 185: High Archpriest of Loskalm – should be - High Watcher of Loskalm Page 185: moon boats – should be – Moon Boats Page 194: In 7/53 (1624), the Voor-ash appeared in strength – paragraph start should be indented. Page 193: Steal Woods – in Hendrikiland? Page 16: of the creature. Creatures included centaurs – suggest - of the creature. They included centaurs Page 16: Kajak-ab the Braineater – in the Guide - Kajak-Ab Braineater Page 18: fight the darkness – should be – fight the Darkness Page 20: Calf-wool Stands – A pre-publication version of the Guide said Calfwool Stands, but the published Guide says Cafol. Page 24: vendref – should be in italics [two instances] Page 31: and the Beast Men – should be - and the Beastmen Page 35: Together they had a son and a daughter – according to Page 23 and 27 they had only a daughter; suggest - With the first, Harsta Orindori, he was the father of Pharandros; with the second, the Feathered Horse Queen, he had a daughter. [Perhaps this discrepancy is intentional?] Page 40: who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, as commander of the siege – should be - who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, in command of the siege Page 40: When the final Lunar assault came in winter 1621 – should be - When the final Lunar assault came in the winter of 1621 Page 41: Halcyon var Enkoth – in Griffin Mountain - Halcyon Var Enkoth Page 42: After the Battle of Auroch Hills – should be - After the Battle of the Auroch Hills Page 45: brightest full stage – might be – brightest full phase Pages 22 & 30: Reaches Furthest or Reaches Farthest? Both titles appear in document Page 47: Leika Blackspear – or - Leika Black Spear [Both appear on this page. I suspect the latter is correct] Page 48: Argrath aided the purple people – should be - Argrath aided the Purple People Page 48: the bat-people – should be – the Bat People Page 50: Yanioth Two-sight – There’s variation in the name: Yanioth TwoSight (page 50), Yanioth “Two Sight” (Page 51 – chart), Yanioth Two-Sight (page 211). Page 50: Onelisin cat-witch – should be - Onelisin Cat-Witch – but now there’s Onelisin “Cat Witch” (Page 30, chart), Onelisin CatWitch (Page 50) Page 50: Jarolor – should be – Jarolar Page 8: seven daughters who give their names to regions of the continent – what about Esrola, Dorasta? Perhaps they are granddaughters? Page 197: called the power of Being – might be - called the Power of Being Page 197: power of Becoming – might be - Power of Becoming Page 197: their respective forms – might be - their respective Forms Page 203: rejected that as a separate magical – should be - rejected it as a separate magical Page 8: the power of Death – might be - the Power of Death Page 205: Notbeing – possibly – Not-being – or – Not-Being [two instances] Page 183: “I am Daylight.” – should be - “I am Twilight.” [See following page - The pair have remained important in Orayan worship, and are called Twilight and Nightlight, and are worshipped with Noonlight in one temple] Page 184: One side effect of this activity was the annual tribute of red-headed infants sent by Oraya each year – ‘each year’ is redundant. Page 189: In 6/44 (1562), he reorganized the Provincial System. The Emperor confirmed Phargentes as the Provincial Overseer, but rid the office of all shirkers and cheaters, and put the scribes among them. In 6/49 (1566) Problem with the dates - 6/44 (1562) and 6/49 (1566) cannot both be correct: 6/40 1557 6/41 1558 6/42 1559 6/43 1560 6/44 1561 6/45 1562 6/46 1563 6/47 1564 6/48 1565 6/49 1566 Six pages of 2016 comments remain to be checked…

Some of these outstanding 2016 comments have already been reported, but are duplicated here. New material in bold. Page 11: Pendarli lion people - should be - Pendali lion people Page 12: place of Pamalt - should be - Place of Pamalt [See page 8 Place of Genert] Page 12: Suam Chong - twice, should be - Suam Chow [Now only once] Page 70: Rune masters, demigods - should be - Rune Masters, demigods Page 73: Dragon Pass residents are certain of three - should be - Dragon Pass residents are certain of four Page 75: Thus. individuals were able - should be - Thus individuals were able New: Index doesn’t seem to pick up picture captions e.g. Orenoar only listed once. Page 78: omnipresent spectre of Death – not US spelling? Should be - omnipresent specter of Death Page 93: This was during the Golden Age, conmythory - no idea what the last word should be. [Later discussion indicated this is obscure slang for a mixture of myth and history. It jars.] Page 99: thrust himself up from deep – might be - thrust himself up from the deep – or - thrust himself up from the depths Page 99: Jorestl - is this the correct name? Page 97: Ralia is the daughter of Gata and Genert – no mention that she is the land goddess of Ralios. In the previous version, Seshna Likita was erroneously described as the land goddess of Ralios (now fixed), possibly because text had ‘slipped’. Page 98: she is the mother Kanthor and Jorestl - should be - she is the mother of Kanthor and Jorestl Page 116: Urengerum the Archer – usually named as Sagittus? Page 132: She is known to have been killed by the god of entropy sometime during the Great Darkness – Page 125 tells us explicitly that he/she was killed by the Unholy Trio. Whilst this is an intentional example of mythic uncertainty, the contradiction sits uneasily in one chapter. Page 85: order and chaos – suggest - Order and Chaos Twenty-one pages of 2016 comments still to check… On a positive note, so far three pages of 2016 comments were incorporated into the 2018 version.

Checking through old comments, noticed that the Page Headers require attention. The Elder Races is the header from page 11 through to 47 throughout the History of Dragon Pass chapter. Page 141 lacks a header (should be Time).

Last night I was shocked to find that typos reported in 2016 were missed – possibly due to lost edits? So today, I have started working through the old comments to identify those outstanding. There were 25 pages of comments made in 2016… New additions are in bold. Page numbers below relate to pages in the PDF, not page numbers on a page. General: Humaktsson or Humaktson? Both appear in the document: the former twice, the latter three times. [Number of instances has changed.] General: sometimes creation is given a capital letter, often not. General: pantheon sometimes given a capital letter, sometimes not. General: war god or War God (and goddess). Appears with capital letters and without. General: Found Child or Foundchild? Both versions used in the document. General: Underworld or underworld? The former seems correct but both forms appear in the document General: Heroquest or heroquest? Both forms appear in the document General: dark troll – should be – Dark Troll General: great troll should be – Great Troll General: wane – should be – Wane [Note: not universally as wane is not always used as a Lunar Wane] General: demi-god or demigod? Both used in the document. Same applies to demigoddess sea god – should be – Sea God [General comment] Storm god – should be Storm God [General comment] Sun god – should be – Sun God [General comment, also sun god] [In lastest version at least one instance of sun god] Kolati – might be in italics [General comment, and also not always given a capital letter.] utuma – should be in italics? [General comment] Earth goddess – should be – Earth Goddess [General comment] sun – often given as Sun [General comment] [see instances on page 62, 81, 85, 107, 115] dwarfs – normal usage is dwarves [General comment] hell – should be – Hell [General comment] [See instances on page 113, and on page 116] Page 34, 36, 38, 42 (twice), 43, etc.: Lunar Army – usually in this document – Lunar army [General comment] General: various units of distance used in document: miles, kilometers (and km.). I believe the current standard are Imperial units. and/or – suggest this form detracts from the style of the essay. Suggest instead use – and [General comment] surface world is sometimes Surface World. Suggest the latter should be used. And that’s just the General comments. A few will be open to debate, but usage varies throughout the document, and in the case of variations of giving things capital letters or not, messes up the Index, because the index seed used seems to consist of only one variation… I should now check the other twenty-four pages.

Page reference below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. Page 36: assembled and held – suggest - assembled and held together Page 36: King Storm Kahn – should probably be - King Storm Khan Page 36: Euglyptus badly miscalculated the Sartarite – suggest - Euglyptus badly underestimated the Sartarite Page 37: During Starbrow’s Rebellion, the Dara Happan governor proved himself incompetent – suggest - During Starbrow’s Rebellion, the Dara Happan governor had proven himself incompetent [This was detailed on the previous page] Page 39: magic wards and curses – suggest - magical wards and curses Page 40/41: who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, as commander of the siege – reads oddly; suggest - who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, in command of the siege Page 40: came in winter 1621 – should be - came in the winter of 1621 Page 41: At Orlanth’s High Holy Day, 1621 – something awry with the chronology here. Orlanth’s High Holy Day is in Storm Season (equivalent to the winter) but if ‘the Lunar celebration was only 11 weeks old’ then Whitewall must have fallen in Earth Season (fall/autumn) so the earlier statement that it fell in ‘winter 1621’ must be wrong or 11 weeks is wrong. Page 42: proLunar – should be – pro-Lunar Page 42: away by spear men – should be - away by spearmen Page 42: Dehori – might be – dehori [in italics] Page 43: despite betrayal by the Western Barbarians – should be - despite the betrayal by the Western Barbarians [the barbarians defected to the Lunars and did not cause their defeat.] General: western barbarians or Western Barbarians? Both usages present in the document. Page 44: tributegatherers – should be – tribute gatherers Page 44: King Moirades sent his own general – should be – King Pharandros sent his own general [Moirades has been dead for fifteen years] Page 44: In Sun County, a rival claimant to the office of Sun County – reads oddly. Perhaps - In Sun County, a rival claimant to the office of Count Page 44: Earth Season, ele, 1625 – ‘ele’ should be a date given in Runes? Page 45: 10 meters – I believe Glorantha now uses old Imperial measurements so – 10 yards? [Metric measurements aren’t very mythic… Personally, in the real world I prefer the metric system, but the effect here is jarring.] See also: 32 kilometers; 16 kilometers; several kilometers long; etc. Page 46: alliancemaking – no such word. Suggest – alliance making – or – alliance-making Page 46: sworddance – suggest – sword dance – or – sword-dance Page 46: companions and households – might be - companions and household Page 46: Battle of the Queens – named Battle of Queens on page 214, and only the latter appears in the index. Page 47: Leika Blackspear or Leika Black Spear? Both variants appear on this page. Page 48: proLunar sympathies – should be – pro-Lunar sympathies Page 48: incohesive – suggest – incoherent – or - estranged Page 48: giant’s cradle – might be - Giant’s Cradle [as per usage on the next page] Page 48: batpeople – should be – bat people – or more likely – Bat People [see GtG] Page 49: one of the Merchant Prince of Maniria – should be - one of the Merchant Princes of Maniria Page 49: wandered across Genertela, even traveled to the East Isles – should be - wandered across Genertela, and even traveled to the East Isles Page 49: as blue as his god – might be - as blue as his god’s Resume at pages 54/211 Page 2: PROOFREADER: T.R. Knight – boilerplate error? Page 212: dragon-friend – elsewhere – dragonfriend [Perhaps latter is only used in a cognomen?] Page 214: meters – see previous comment. Page 214: At odd moments – should be - At odd moments, Page 215: A Snake Pipe Dancer – should be - A Snakepipe Dancer [see usage on page 218]

Page reference below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. Page 26 - Tarsh to Sartar rule – might be - Tarsh to Sartarite rule Page 26: now purged of Lunars – possibly a relic of earlier documents where Hon-eel appeared at the Shaker Temple. I believe more recent documents have identified the Earth temple on Kordros Island. Page 27 - five-year dream – might be - two-year dream [as per earlier on the same page] Page 29 - On retrospect – should be - In retrospect Page 29 - Long Axe – should be – Longaxe Page 31 - burned Dunstop until the Red Emperor paid his price – reads oddly, perhaps - sacked Dunstop until the Red Emperor paid his price Page 31 - Beast Men – elsewhere – Beastmen Page 32 - from the Sartar’s Palace – might be - from Sartar’s Palace Page 34 - his 8year old son – should be - his 8 year old son – or - his eight year old son Page 34 - priests and demigods killed – might be - priests and demigods were killed [Not much opportunity to read through the document today. For several of us, this isn't the first pass through: This time, personally, I'm trying to concentrate on typos, assuming any 'factual' comments not implemented are intentional in-world 'errors'.]

The Flowers of Death are a heavy cavalry regiment of the Cavalry Corps of the Lunar Army, not of the Provincial Army. The regiment was founded by Hwarin Dalthippa during the resettlement of Rist in 1/49 (1296), and are equipped with kontos (two-handed 'lance') and kopis swords.

Officers from the Doblian Dogeaters and Standfast regiments plan the assault on Whitewall. It also seems likely that the Crater Makers magical regiment (or elements thereof) and the Seven of Vistur were present when Whitewall was finally taken. The Standfast are mounted Heavy Infantry hoplites; the Dogeaters fight as peltasts. Many other units were present.

Page reference below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. Page 6: wthin – should be – within Page 6 – gazeteer – should be – gazetteer Page 6 - lands are defined by their goddess – might be - lands are defined by their goddesses Page 6 – about what is magic – suggest – about what magic is Pages 6-7 – unfortunate that the map cropping cuts short Vulture Country on the right and the Forest (of) Wondrous Beasts on the left. If possible, might the map be edited to shift the text? Also suggest removing NTAINS in the upper left. The version in the rulebook isn’t cropped. Perhaps use that version in both books? Page 8 - the Earth King that once ruled the land – suggest - the Earth King who once ruled the land Page 11 - dot the Janube – suggest - dot the Janube valley Page 11 - Pendarli – should be – Pendali Page 11 – refered – should be – referred Page 11 – betweem – should be – between Page 11 – stuggle – should be – struggle Page 12 - mythico-magical – suggest - mythic-magical Page 12 – goddesss – should be – goddess Page 12 – reincrnating – should be – reincarnating Page 12 - Suam Chong – should be – Suam Chow Page 12 - The center of civilization is around the Suam Chong, a shallow sea atop Kralora. The great Dragon Island called Hum Chang is to her east, and is the home the splendid Dragon Empire that rules all the lands around the Suam Chow – duplication ‘around’. Suggest - The center of the splendid Dragon Empire is around the Suam Chow, a shallow sea atop Kralora. The great Dragon Island called Hum Chang is to her east. Page 12 - Pamalt, the Earth King that still rules – might be - Pamalt, the Earth King who still rules Page 15 - Brown Elves covered much of what was later the Bush Range, Grazelands, and Beast Valley – suggest - Brown Elves covered much of what was later the Bush Range, Grazelands, and Beast Valley with forest Page 16 - because of the threated – should be - because of the threat Page 18 - There is another tale of Hiia Swordman – should this paragraph and the next be in italics? Perhaps the ‘poem’ should only be one paragraph? Page 20 - Calf-wool Stand – should be - Calfwool Stands (see GtG) Page 23 – red line of offspring of Sartar and Eneera Tor should descend from their blue marriage line? Page 24 - vendref – should be in italics? Page 25 - Green Dragon – looks blue? Page 25 - The Puppeteer Troupe is among Glorantha’s foremost cult of Illusion – might be - The Puppeteer Troupe is among Glorantha’s foremost cults of Illusion Page 50 - Oralont Dragonfriend – should be - Orlaront Dragonfriend Page 71 - the various land goddess – should be - the various land goddesses Page 121 - eternal contrast – might be – eternal conflict Pages 158, 166, 170, 173, 176, 180, 186, 190 – map keys and many place names may be in too small a font to be read when printed. Suspect nothing can be done about the place names, but the key needs to be readable. Page 181 - A defeated Horse Queen and storm barbarians – should be - A defeated Horse Queen and storm barbarian Page 207 - This piece depicts a group of holy people that have been garbed – should be - This piece depicts a group of holy people who have been garbed Page 218 -kolati and umbroli should be in italics? [General comment] Page 218 – meaning of umbroli never given in text Page 221 - Kolati 75, 109 – also pages 108, 113, 213. Indexing not complete? [Search through to find definition, and found more instances than given in the index] Resume at page 26

No doubt, though in depicting the Paps I tried to show a Gods Age temple façade. The modern Praxians are as far removed from the God Time culture of Genert's Garden as, say, modern Egyptians from the dynasties of the Old Kingdom... But any pictorial reference is useful.

As udders are pairs of mammary glands, and Eiritha is depicted in near human form (based on the image in Cults of Prax), I elected to give her human attributes. Different animals have different numbers of pairs: cows and bison two pairs, rhinos and llamas one pair, for example, so giving a depiction of multiple pairs would be species specific, and probably make the image look a little trollish. In the case of most real world cow goddesses, the deity is depicted as either animal or human, with limited cross-over of attributes, usually horns on the human image, and perhaps bovine ears, with the exception of the Hindu goddess Kamadhenu, who has a human head and breasts, and a bovine body with udders. In Prax, the human imagery might be tribe neutral, as for each tribe, the visual hagiography of the goddess would likely follow the attributes of the totem herd animal of the tribe, but perhaps only regarding the head. I used the image of Eiritha in this illustration as a basis, but assumed the form shown was perhaps how the Sable tribe see her... In my picture, Eiritha's head does not conform to any specific extant herd animal. And of course, Eiritha is not a cow goddess (though she might be the same deity as the Orlanthi cow goddess - but I wouldn't suggest that to a Praxian...)

A few changes made. Only after uploading the image did I realize some of the shadows were in the wrong places, and the multiple small doorways were too many and too regular. So here's version #2.

See David Scott's posts on page 14 of this thread. The Tomb of Um was a major inspiration, but also examples of Egyptian and Indian rock temples. I've decided to make a number of changes to this image.

My interpretation of the Paps. The inset is to provide a sense of scale. The Paps are known as the Deep Womb of the Goddess, sacred to the goddess Eiritha and her son, Waha, as it was here that Eiritha hid herself from Death by going underneath the earth. The Paps are an enormous underground earth temple, a vestige of the Golden Age. As an ancient and major Earth temple, the facade is very large. Originally a limestone processional way led up to the entrance, but the ramp was destroyed or demolished during the Gods War. The pillars depict each of the original ten Herd Mothers, damaged to a greater or lesser degree, with some portraying creatures now extinct. Between the pillars are reliefs of life in Prax before Time, severely eroded. These panels show animals and peoples now unknown to the inhabitants of Prax, from when it was part of Genert's Garden.

The Cult of Geo, with mention of his Bouncer, is included in the Encyclopedia Glorantha, one of the Kickstarter reward volumes, and so probably dates back to the 80s, if not before.

Perhaps within a set of parameters, based on the actual nature of the god. But perhaps not too far, otherwise divine nature reasserts itself, as the God Learners finally discovered to their ultimate misfortune.

It strikes me that Gloranthan gods are a bit like the elephant in the parable of the Blind Men and an Elephant, with mortal worshippers being the blind men. Each cult can perceive something of a god, but not its entirety, resulting in the same deity being viewed very differently by different cultures. For the major gods who appear in different cultures no one mortal belief is completely correct, and so there is no single answer. Gods are just too big for mortals to fully comprehend, and so all are viewed through cultural and cultic filters.

If, by military units, you mean regiments, then all regiments, which would include those in the Lunar Army (and many of which predate the Lunar Empire), Yelmalion Templar regiments and Humakti Battalions, have some significant spirits in their regimental standards, and less powerful ones in their company/century standards (and in Lunar Vexillae standards). Some of these may be the founder of the regiment, spirits of long dead soldiers, or other spirits sent by the patron deity. Sartarite magical regiments of course have very powerful wyters, and doubtless some of the warlocks have access to powerful spirits of their own. I believe there was a scenario by MOB where recruits to the Lunar Army obtained their own 'file' or 'platoon' spirit to inhabit their standard from among their own number - it wasn't very powerful, but over time.... Completely non-canonical, but my thoughts from my unofficial book: The Standard Standards are held in awe as potent symbols of the honor of the unit. A regimental standard is inhabited by the guardian spirit, wyter or genius of the regiment. Each company (or equivalent) of a regiment usually has a lesser standard which carries a lesser spirit. The assembled company wyters or genii are celebrated and worshipped, in addition to the regimental spirit. The cult of the regimental standard unifies the members of the regiment; soldiers make oaths upon it, and a recruit is initiated into its worship. When making their surrender, vanquished enemy leaders are expected to submit under the shadow of the victorious standards. A standard may be decorated with treasures stripped from their person: diadems, torcs, armrings. The standard is important as a recognition symbol and rallying point, and a means of communication in battle. A trumpet or horn blast is often used to draw the attention of the troops to the standard which then directs the action to be taken. The standard-bearer lowers, raises, waves, or make some other motion with the standard to indicate or direct the movement, tactic or formation to be employed. The standard is staked in the ground as the first act of setting up camp at the very heart of the camp itself, next to the tent of the commanding officer. When striking camp the standard is pulled from the ground. As the habitation of the regimental spirit the standard plays a key role in religious festivals, being anointed with precious oils and decorated with garlands. In addition to the metal and stone ornamentation, a standard often carries a banner depicting either the patron deity or a religious icon. Whilst Orlanthi warbands often carry a standard, it is rare, even for War Clans and Tribes to risk their wyter upon the battlefield. Instead, their standard may be inhabited by the allied spirit of their warleader, which is mostly far weaker than regimental guardian spirits. Very few mercenary regiments and companies have such guardians, save for longstanding Yelmalion regiments and Humakti Battalions. Some Humakti temples retain standards for battalions long dormant, ready for their revival. In battle Solar and Lunar standards often glow; Solar with a yellow aura, Lunar with a ruddy one. Storm standards crackle and spark with orange or blue lightning or may be surrounded by a blowing wind. In regiments associated with a beast god the standard-bearers wear the animal skins of their patron animal over their uniforms and helmets. Lunar standards often feature a bat with outspread wings, as a symbol of power and death. The Crimson Bat inhabits an important role in the mythos of the Red Goddess. The bat is also the Dara Happan symbol for Death. Yelm was slain when the bat, the shadow he cannot see, put its wings over his eyes so that he could not perceive the killing blow of the Rebel which sent him to the Underworld. And from another chapter... Standards Almost all units have a regimental wyter and other spirits within its standards. These serve as a focus for the regiment, and even if they possess no significant offensive powers support cohesion and morale, and defend against magical attacks, including those by other spirits. Regimental and company standards are inhabited by spirits associated with their patron deity. These spirits vary in power and origin. Company spirits are the weakest, often belonging to a deceased member of the regiment, who excelled in the qualities the regiment holds dear. Regiment spirits are more powerful, often spirits sent by the regimental deity, or even, in the case of lesser deities, the god themselves. Senior officers, such as generals often have their own standard, inhabited by a spirit almost as powerful as a regimental spirit. Standard spirits usually have several powers, including the defense of the standard and its bearer, and a few offensive powers that often bolster the regiment’s capability in fighting a particular foe. However, even the most powerful are not in the same class as the wyters of magical regiments. In addition to their spirit senses they can also feel, see and hear via their bearer. A spirit inhabiting a standard has few physical abilities. They can tug the hands of their standard-bearer to lead them in a particular direction, or, if set in the ground, refuse to be pulled out, or, most inauspiciously, fall over. Such actions are viewed as potent signs by the soldiers of the cult of the standard. If a standard is unwilling to be pulled free it signifies that the spirit is unwilling to move; should it fall to the ground, the troops will become disheartened until the regimental priests appease the guardian spirit with sacrifices. The loss of a standard brings both humiliating dishonor and deprives the troops of a focus of their devotion, seriously reducing morale. Soldiers will fight desperately to defend their standard or attempt to rescue the standard from profane hands. A captured standard is often placed in a temple so that the associated deity cannot see it. Often shamed soldiers will attempt to free their standard. New standards can be established, requiring lengthy rituals. These successors are unlikely to be as powerful as the standard they replace, for like other spirits, a standard increases in power over time, unless destroyed. And an example regiment: Marble Phalanx Type Heavy Infantry Armor Bronze mail coat and greaves Weapons Long spear, large round shield, kopis Morale Regular 4 Patron Deity Polaris, Urvairinus Notes Stonewall Phalanx Magic Factor Medium 4 Missile Factor 0 Melee Factor 5 One of the ancient Stonewall Phalanxes, this regiment has special magic for fighting against Darkness. The home city of this phalanx is Mesavos in the Oronin satrapy. Their tunics and helmet decorations are scarlet and white. Honathum the Shining God is the regimental genius who protects the regiment against cavalry as long as the regimental standard is secure. The standard consists of a spear with a counterweight, set across the pole surmounted by a star medallion of Polaris with eight rays. Within the medallion there is a portrait of Urvairinus. Please note: this material is not official.