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Which is very similar to the second bone sword down - but mine has a leather grip. Despite being strengthened by magic, boring a hole through a bone inevitably weakens it, and bone is likely to be smooth and so a leather grip is advisable. Perhaps I need to rework that image...

Bone and horn are used in the manufacture of weapons and armor, especially in metal-poor regions such as Prax. The Praxians use the spell Forge Bone to make weapons. These weapons are more fragile and do less damage than metal weapons but a bone blade or arrow head will often leave slivers in a wound.

A second Western broadsword added.

They aren't all grouped by terrestrial source. A: some Gloranthan (TCS-based) sickle-swords, Thracian falx, Near Eastern khopesh, and scimitars and sabers. B: Hellenic kopis and Iberian falcata. C: Thracian rhomphaia. D & E: a mixture of Mycenaean, Hellenic, and La Tène swords. F: no historical source - I didn't know that Western swords resemble Warring States period swords. Basically, I worked through the Guide (especially using the illustrations by Jan Pospisil, Jeff Laubenstein and Dan Barker), The Coming Storm, Sartar: KoH, Pavis: GtA looking for recent artwork in which there were swords. Then I sketched out what I thought I could discern, looked at real world examples, and then started to draw the illustration above. Of all the groups, B is most heavily reliant upon historical sources, because I couldn't see any of these in any illustration, though kopis are referenced: http://www.glorantha.com/lunar-army-list/

Most are being used as illustrations in a text about Gloranthan warfare I am compiling for my own amusement.

An interesting point, but I attempted to use the canonical illustrations as my guide, not just terrestrial examples. It may be that like so many things, the common appearance of the Death Rune is of God Learner origin, reflecting primarily Western swords. For that matter, axes also embody the Death Rune, and a double-headed axe resembles the Death Rune, if you squint. Almost all of the swords have a guard to prevent the hand slipping up the blade when thrusting as part of the hilt, but not an actual cross guard; these were a late development in terrestrial swords, with prominent quillons appearing as a feature of European swords around the 10th century. The Death Rune is a highly stylized sword, and so probably doesn't reflect any Mundane World sword (for that matter, it's very... blunt, lacking any sort of point). So, basically, you may or may not be correct: I don't know.

The designs I used, based on the illustrations, are derived from Mycenaean, Classical Greek, and La Tène swords. I used the Western culture illustration in the Guide as the pattern. In that case, the next version may include a few more Western swords...

These designs are illustrative but not definitive examples. Differences in size, weight and detailed design vary according to the requirements of the customer and the skills and patterns of individual smiths. The style of hilt also varies enormously, and many of the styles shown might appear in conjunction with other blades. A: Pelorian sickle-swords. The examples shown vary from those almost indistinguishable from agricultural implements (though of much finer quality) through to Moonswords, khopesh and the form often described as a scimitar. B: Examples of Kopis swords. C: Examples of Doblian two-handed Rhomphaia. D: Orlanthi leaf-shaped broadswords E: Orlanthi long-leaf swords, also common in Esrolia. F: Western broadswords. The shorter swords are often carried as secondary weapons by Humakti and hoplites.

Thank you, for the offer, but I'm unlikely to get there in the foreseeable future (I'm in the UK).

Page 113: wane – might be – Wane Page 117: wane – might be – Wane Page 120: In 4/53 (1462) the treaty did not last long, and war quickly raged again – suggest - The treaty did not last long, and war quickly raged again in 4/53 (1462) Page 121: the Lunar way – should be - the Lunar Way Page 122: wane – (twice) might be – Wane Page 122: In 5/2 – might be - In 5/2 (1465) Page 123: The Sacred time before the dawn – should be - The Sacred Time before the dawn Page 123: In 4/52 (1461) Hon-eel was 14 years old – does not match the earlier statement - Hon-eel had been born 18 years earlier in 4/36 (1445) – she was 16 in 1461? Page 123: since the dawn of Time – might be - since the Dawn of Time Page 123: In 5/2 (1466) aged 19 – should be - In 5/2 (1465) aged 20 [Created this table to check Lunar dates… Of course the cited Lunar dates might be in error instead. Tables are included to show my assumptions.] Age 4/36 1445 4/37 1446 1 4/38 1447 2 4/39 1448 3 4/40 1449 4 4/41 1450 5 4/42 1451 6 4/43 1452 7 4/44 1453 8 4/45 1454 9 4/46 1455 10 4/47 1456 11 4/48 1457 12 4/49 1458 13 4/50 1459 14 4/51 1460 15 4/52 1461 16 4/53 1462 17 4/54 1463 18 5/1 1464 19 5/2 1465 20 5/3 1466 21 5/4 1467 22 5/5 1468 23 5/6 1469 24 5/7 1470 25 5/8 1471 5/9 1472 5/10 1473 5/11 1474 5/12 1475 5/13 1476 5/14 1477 5/15 1478 5/16 1479 5/17 1480 5/18 1481 5/19 1482 5/20 1483 5/21 1484 5/22 1485 5/23 1486 5/24 1487 5/25 1488 5/26 1489 5/27 1490 5/28 1491 Page 124: In 5/7 (1471), aged 24 – should be - In 5/7 (1470), aged 25 Page 124: In 5/2 (1466) after the Battle of Iron Fences – Guide says battle was in 5/2 (1465), should be - In 5/2 (1465) after the Battle of Iron Fences Page 125: “I am Daylight.” – should be - “I am Twilight.” Page 126: each three years – Guide says annually Page 126: called the Red Tribe by the nomads – should be - called the Red Hair Tribe by the nomads Page 126: wane – (twice) might be – Wane Page 129: two of the three clan – should be - two of the three clans Page 130: as rightful king of the barbarian Kingdom of Tarsh – might be - as rightful kings of the barbarian Kingdom of Tarsh Page 130: Black Horse Country – should be - Black Horse County Page 131: 6/47 (1562) – and - 6/49 (1566) – both cannot be correct… should be – 6/47 (1564) [If the Lunar date is correct] 6/47 1564 6/48 1565 6/49 1566 6/50 1567 6/51 1568 6/52 1569 6/53 1570 6/54 1571 7/1 1572 End of Third Pass. This concludes my proofreading exercise. There will be other errors, but there’s a point of diminishing returns where an individual reader won’t notice more without considerable effort. A document of this size and complexity requires at least three or four proofreaders to have a chance of identifying all errors. The creation of an Index Seed will capture variations in names; Lunar dates need other eyes to check them – I have attempted to check all instances but cannot guarantee all problems have been identified or that all problems raised are actually problems… Sets of pages have been read out of order this pass to counter the tendency to ‘speed up’ towards the end. There’s an inevitable inclination to lose concentration towards the end of a chapter or book, so reading pages out of order serves to limit this. Comparing the first, second and third pass comments also illustrates that when one error is found it tends to lower the probability of detecting errors nearby: multiple readings often find a slightly different subset of problems; where the same bug has been found in each pass there’s been an attempt to avoid duplication in reporting.

Page 131: Kedevi – city not mentioned in the Guide. Is the name correct? Page 132: until 7/31 (1602). In 7/30 (1602) – The former date is correct. Suspect that – 7/30 (1602) – should be – 7/30 (1601) – or – 7/31 (1602) – in which case providing the date again is redundant. In fact, the 7/31 (1602) date is perhaps restated too many times in this section. Page 133: He temple was opened in Glamour – should be - Her temple was opened in Glamour Page 133: 7/53 (1625) – should be - 7/53 (1624) - ? Page 134: great planet in the sky – might be - great moon in the sky Page 134: Governor-General of the South – true, but might be - Governor-General of Dragon Pass Page 135: 1625 – the Guide says in 1625, Dranz Goloi leads his nomad horde upon the eastern Lunar Empire for pillage and ruin, conquering Oraya Satrapy and threatening Blessed Torang itself. These events aren’t mentioned here, except him being pushed back from Torang in 1626. Lunar propaganda? Page 139: Fear of the Only Old One maintained its – might be - Fear of the Only Old One maintained his Page 140: cow goddess – might be – Cow Goddess Page 140: animal nomads – (twice) should be – Animal Nomads Page 140: migration in the wastes – might be - migration into the wastes Page 140: maintained the customs and tribe among – should be - maintained their customs and tribe among Page 140: Battle of Alavan Argary – should be - Battle of Alavan Argay Page 143: The tribes engaged in sporadic warfare and constant personal challenges between chieftains. Even within a single tribe there was challenge and battle, and sometimes younger sons broke away from the greater tribe, beginning a separate clan of their own, as the Lismelder tribe did when it deserted the Malani – this duplicates material on page 142 almost word for word. Page 144: find the power and peaceful Pure Horse People – should be - find the powerful and peaceful Pure Horse People Page 146: Yorastina – three times, should be - Yoristina Page 146: king of Grazers – might be - king of the Grazers

Gods of the Lunar Way – suggest text box giving the Orlanthi name for the Red Goddess: Shepelkirt Page 100: with Crescent Go Moon – should be - with the Crescent Go Moon Page 100: She insisted on unspeakable things – might be - She insisted on doing unspeakable things Page 100: the Dying Moon, - should be - the Dying Moon. Page 101: Lady of the Wild – might be - Lady of the Wilds Page 101: ANILLA – should be - ANNILLA Page 101: DANFIVE XARON WAS – should be - DANFIVE XARON was Page 102: Red Goddess, the Seven Mothers – should be - Red Goddess, and the Seven Mothers Page 103: Red Emperor has been reborn many times – should be – The Red Emperor has been reborn many times Page 105: over succession – might be - over the succession Page 107: stopping it in the late afternoon – might be - stop it in the late afternoon Page 108: And what of those who loved Her? –should be – “And what of those who loved Her? Page 108: trained to skill – might be - trained in skills Page 109: shah of Carmania – might be - Shah of Carmania Page 109: surrendered with it., - should be - surrendered with it. Page 109: provided magic support – might be - provided magical support Page 111: City of Rose-Colored Glass – according to the Guide this was destroyed in the Second Age Page 17: Red Class Tower Joke – possibly a reference to the same place? If so might be – Rose-Colored Glass Tower Page 112: and provided his superiority in the Lunar Away – should be - and proved his superiority in the Lunar Way Page 112: many people and places – suggest – many peoples and places Page 112: where was taken – should be - where she was taken Page 113: 1/1 (1248) – Guide says - Between 1/3 and 2/12 (1250-1313), the Lunar Empire pacified its West Reaches during a campaign known as the Blood Kings' War. Lunar dates suspect on this page. Page 113: against the foes – might be - against their foes Page 113: The entire Wane was spotted by war – odd wording; suggest - The entire Wane was marred by war Page 114: 1/54 (1301) – should be - 1/54 (1301). Page 115: Parg llisi – should be - Parg Ilisi [Occurs four times – noted before in the midst of another comment] Page 117: once been Human – might be - once been human Page 119: Pelorian lowland – might be - Pelorian lowlands Page 120: 4/37 (1445) – Guide says 1445 = 4/36 Page 120: Jords Eye – should be – Jord’s Eye Page 136: involving even the gods, upset the heavens, and even broken the Cosmic Compromise that bound the world together – suggest - involving even the gods, upset the heavens, and broke the Cosmic Compromise that binds the world together. Page 136: moonlight radiance – might be - moonlit radiance Page 136: much better condition than the – might be - much better condition than in the Page 137: Inside dissension and outside enemies – suggest - Interior dissension and exterior enemies General: dragonewt or Dragonewt? Page 138: Karastand - [four times] but on page 90: Karastrand. Suspect usage on page 90 is in error. [Checking Lunar dating gives me a headache which is why I jumped forward!]

Page 70: Time was born in Hell, where the shadows – might be - Time was born in Hell, when the shadows Page 72: maintaining that Time once began and that it will – should be - maintaining that Time once began will Page 72: The deities will be more influenced to receive worship on Godsday – might be - The deities will be more influenced by worship received on Godsday. Page 74: ranks of the lesser dead – might be - ranks of the greater dead Page 76: from the cult Immortal, Jar-eel – might be - from the Cult Immortal, Jar-eel – or - from the cult immortal, Jar-eel Page 77: Within his own “city” his will was reality, and all the dragonewts of Dragon Pass obeyed him infallibly. He could be approached and negotiated with, but when bothered for trivial reasons he routinely devoured the petitioners – change tense to - Within his own “city” his will is reality, and all the dragonewts of Dragon Pass obey him infallibly. He can be approached and negotiated with, but when bothered for trivial reasons he routinely devours the petitioners Page 79: Embyli – not identified as a color of elf; yellow Page 79: Many Embyli forests changed when the God War began, and shed their leaves – suggest - Many Embyli forests changed when the God War began, and shed their leaves to become brown elves Page 81: Individualism, Vegetarianism, Octamonism – Vegetarianism not subsequently mentioned, but Openhandism is. Suggest this should be - Openhandism, Octamonism, Individualism Page 86: when the dwarf’s – should be – when the dwarves Page 86: to prophesy – should be – to prophesize Page 87: burnt and mutated – might be – burnt and mutilated Page 89: the Battle of Night and Day in 375 – should be - the Battle of Night and Day in 379 Page 89: Sometime around 430, Arkat Humaktson landed in Esrolia – 432 in the Guide Page 89: superhero – suggest – hero Page 92: from many civilizations – suggest – of many peoples Page 92: called Waertagi – suggest - called the Waertagi Page 92: list of kings – suggest - list of emperors Page 94: of the foreign cult Gbaji – might be - of the foreign cult of Gbaji Page 94: discovered, though – should be - discovered, though, Page 95: Shadowlands – suggest – Dark Esrolia – as that term was used earlier Page 95: The war against Gbaji had lasted 75 years; now Arkat retired to quiet lands in Ralios which he had admired in his younger days. There he cleared a simple farmstead and kept the area around it under his watchful eye for his other 75 years – the Guide says 50 for the duration of the war and Arkat’s Peace Page 96: One originated in the far east – is this correct? Page 98: this time leading the Crimson Bat – suggest - this time riding the Crimson Bat Page 98: point them out – suggest - points them out

Page 63: Kralorian Empire – in the Guide - Kralorelan Empire Page 63: Kralori Empire - in the Guide - Kralorelan Empire Page 67: Caladrians – [twice on this page] in the Guide – Caladralanders Page 68: traveled Esrolia – might be – traveled in Esrolia Page 68: Two hundred years before the Dawn – do ‘years’ have any meaning before Time? Might be better as - Even before the Dawn - or similar Page 68: entered live into the lands of the dead – might be - entered alive into the lands of the dead [Though this contradicts other statements] Page 68: net upon Kajabor – one of the (intentional) examples of confusing Kajabor and Wakboth? Page 69: against their will, and even. The victory of Arachne Solara – should be - against their will, and even the victory of Arachne Solara

This explanation is missing from the Sourcebook. It might be simplest to delete the reference...

Page 46: The five sons of Umath, by order of birth, are: Kolat, Storm Bull, Vadrus, Humakt, and Orlanth – no mention of Ragnaglar? [Might be left intentionally for the reader to work out.] Page 47: palace in far north – should be - palace in the far north Page 48: from the east, resurrected – might be - from the east, was resurrected Page 53: all Dead imprisoned – might be - all the Dead imprisoned Page 55: before the tread – should be - before they tread Page 55: spells care to light – should be - spells came to light Page 56: an aid to Orlanth – might be - an aide to Orlanth Page 56: Lady of the Wild – might be - Lady of the Wilds Page 56: Janeerra Alone – should be - Janerra Alone Page 61: In God-time – should be – In the God Time Page 62: Foremost in his father’s (the Devil’s) favor was Tien – suggest – Foremost in the Devil’s favor was his son Tien [Have made a previous comment on this, which this comment supplants.] Page 62: which used strategy – suggest - which used a strategy

Page 32: fairy tales – suggest – fables Page 33: and they have replaced his name with that of PAMALT, who served a similar function but never died – no, Pamalt was the southern equivalent, suggest – and their land god is PAMALT, who served a similar function but never died Page 33: Thus when Asrelia was a young goddess she was called Spring’s Handmaiden; when she matured, she became Ernalda; and in the Darkness, she was Asrelia – I believe this might read - Thus when Asrelia was a young goddess she was called Spring’s Handmaiden, Voria; when she matured, she became Ernalda; and in the Darkness, she was Asrelia [This contradicts another section but that’s the nature of myth] Page 34: Imarja philosophy – might be - Imarjan philosophy Page 34: The Six Sisters – are these the Six Earths? Page 36: and went to a frozen sleep – might be - and went into a frozen sleep Page 36: when he cleansed the land of the antigod Oorsu Sara’s curse – might be – Sekever’s curse [Sekever possibly another name for Oorsu Sara, which is an East Isles name?] Page 36: and together she gave birth – might be - and together gave birth [Sramak is hermaphrodite] Page 36: Ehilm and Orlanth – as this paragraph is using Enerali names might be – Ehilm and Humat Page 37: After carrying for them in her bleak cavern – should be - After caring for them in her bleak cavern Page 38: such as the Sun, Lightfore, the planets and stars – Lightfore is a planet? Page 39: Lightfore, a favorite worshipper whose story is told below – perhaps, there’s a brief mention on the next page, but not the mentioned story. Page 39: Lux, Ourania, and Pole Star – might be - Arraz, Ourania, and Pole Star Page 40: (herself a daughter of Larnste (Change, or Mobility Rune) and Harana Ilor (Harmony Rune)) – clumsy, suggest - ,herself a daughter of Larnste (Change or Mobility Rune) and Harana Ilor (Harmony Rune) Page 42: Sunstop (175 S.T.) – should be - Sunstop (375 S.T.) Page 42: Lightfore has a section header but should probably be LIGHTFORE under the Planetary Gods header.

There's a short article by Greg Stafford in The Unspoken Word #2 about the Lanbril Cult.

Just noticed that Rob Heinsoo posted about this exercise in the Kickstarter comments a few days ago.

Page 22: THE FATHER OF DEMONS AND THE MOTHER OF SPACE – might be - THE FATHER OF DEMONS and THE MOTHER OF SPACE Page 22: while the mother – should be - while the Mother Page 23: He greets the dead who have been guided or hounded to him, then the council (Daka Fal) – seems to be some confusion in this sentence as ‘he’ is Daka Fal, not the council? Page 23: mentioned elsewhere this issue – should be - mentioned elsewhere [But see next comment] Page 23: Six Earths – this phrase is not used anywhere else in the document. Suggest they be listed, under this title, in the Deities of the Earth chapter. Page 23: to an eternal glory of fighting for eternity – suggest - to an everlasting glory of fighting for eternity Page 23: god of Undead – suggest - god of Undeath Page 23: should this section mention the Chaos goddess Valkalta who is in the Underworld? Page 24: plead mercy – might be - plead for mercy Page 24: as his wife and his trolls – should be - as his wife, and his trolls Page 24: 475 ST – should be – 375 ST General: Neleom – should be - Neleomi Page 26: Sea of Worms – might be - Swermela Sea – or - Worm Sea Page 26: Ice Sea – suggest - Keniryan Sea Page 27: who is the only daughter among three children – might be - who is the only daughter among the three children Deities of Water: Should Veredth be mentioned? Page 27: World Edge – might be – World’s Edge Page 27: Last Stop Island – not mentioned in the Guide. Still canonical? Possibly refers to Nowhere Land? Page 29: when the Great Dark rules the world – might be - when the Great Dark ruled the world Page 29: Since then she has never risen again – the Blue Streak is a remnant of the Blue Moon [suspect canon has changed] Page 29: sometimes as much as one-half mile long and a quarter-mile wide – Guide says: Waertagi dragonships […] are a mile or more long [Reading this again, I'm not certain if the Sourcebook is saying dragonships could be one-and-a-half miles long or half a mile long - possibly the former, but it isn't clear.] Page 29: Seshnegi Empire(s) – suggest – Seshnegi Empire

True, but when making comments it isn't possible to second guess the author. A reviewer comments, knowing that comments will be rejected as invalid. Better to highlight a possibly discrepancy, than not to: if a comment is invalid, little of the author's time is wasted; if a comment is valid but not made for fear it will be rejected, however...

The Basmol clan of Basim abandoned their Hsunchen heritage in favor of Orlanthi ways by the Third Age. The Dialogues are believed to be circa 1480? So unless the Basmol clan changed their traditions in the last 150 years or so or the Dialogues are very much older (pre-Third Age?), there's a potential discrepancy.

Page 16: Hykimi – might be – Hykim Page 16: Man-form Rune – might be - Man-Form Rune General: surface world is sometimes Surface World. Suggest the latter should be used. Page 20: the Basmoli Lion-People of the Mislari Mountains to the south have retained their brotherhood – by the Third Age only Caroni Hsunchen are found there? The Guide says there are Basmoli in Ralios, but not where. Page 155: rebel gods – might be – Rebel Gods Page 156: with younger military men of his close kin – might be - with the younger military men of his close kin Page 157: appeared in the Choralinthor Bay – might be - appeared in Choralinthor Bay Page 161: companions and households – should be - companions and household Page 161: was without heir – possibly - was without an heir Page 162: to the Choralinthor Bay – might be - to Choralinthor Bay

Unless they are the bodies of dead Dream Dragons... Note that for Resurrection to work within six days, the body must be healed, which can be taken as countering the effects of putrefaction - the fifth stage of death, which occurs after the earlier and relatively quick stages of pallor mortis, algor mortis, rigor mortis, and livor mortis. The healing counters all those stages, to sufficient extent to make the body sufficiently healthy to live again, if the resurrection attempt succeeds.

Page 150: Black Horse Country – should be - Black Horse County Page 150: Ethrilrst – should be – Ethilrist Page 150: and raised the new city of Alone – might be - and founded the new city of Alone Page 151: King’s List – some entries start with an indent, some do not. Page 153: geas and taboos – might be - geases and taboos Page 153: As a result, Moirades became the third King of Dragon Pass – third is incorrect, should be sixth (KoS page 30). Page 154: King Storm Kahn – should be - King Storm Khan Page 154: Western barbarians – probably - western barbarians - or more probably - Western Barbarians