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It seems that both are accepted variant forms.

While basing anything on Greg's linguistic skills is foolhardy in the extreme, I couldn't help but wonder whether the Zistorites managed to breach the walls of time and send one of their constructs back to screw up mythology, when I discovered that - in Italian - Orogeria means 'clockwork'!

Remember, sir, that Leto has his Tomb of the Skull, Paul is revered as a liing god, and Leto the Second is the God Emperor of Dune. Mock not the Atreides. Seriously though, there were associated cult shrines throughout what had been Achaean Greece and Crete. Simply because Atreus only had a dedicated shrine at Mykenae doesn't mean that he wouldn't receive associate worship at the temple of Menelaus and Helen outside Sparta, for example. I would be amazed if he didn't. The present generalisation and simplification of cults does history, and players, no favours.

Impossible. The small points are what really matter. The Devil is in the detail, and so is Urox.😇

Some of the counters are slightly smeared, though...

What is the sound of one buttock farting, Grasshopper?

Nah, just hopeful...

Not so much a diet as a taster....

At least nobody is suggesting the Cannibal Cult diet....😜

You complete and utter..... some of us are diabetics!

Why else does Dayzatar's figure in Gods War have the rag across his eyes? All those Umbroli make for really enthusiastic flautists as well!

Rather than being done away with, the gods become 'idiot-gods', accessible by sorceries only. Rune magic is gone, and dangerously powerful sorcerers feud for dominance.

It is in the works, I assure you. At the moment we are collaborating on something covering Henjarl and Darjiin, I am working on Chen Durel and he is working on Nolos, but a lot has already been written up for Lokomayadon's Legacy.

Ah yes, thanks - away from my books amid self-isolation, dammit. Over in two more days, hurrah! So - if durulz are in the past, what is his present fascination? A mountain with something resembling OCD has interesting/disturbing possibilities.

absolutely

Mind you, there is nothing to dictate that Gonn Orta is good, so he could be trading the Durulz he finds with Halcyon von Enkorth

Ducks? I seem to recall that he has an interest in every one that goes past - Ahgwath, perhaps?

Woohoo - no more suffering! Donchajustlurv religious doublethink?

Ah, my misunderstanding. There was I, thinking that "You should" was prescriptive, rather than seeing it as enabling. In that case, all is well in the land of post-Greg, the master enabler. I am sorry I cannot see how, though.

As I said, canon has become diktat, but I had been under the (mis?)impression that these discussions were not limited to canon. So, apologies. Of course all Lunar statements are truth, not propaganda. One sees that now. I had wondered why I was finding Glorantha less and less fun, and was putting it down to being a true grognard. Maybe I was wrong, and obviously must learn when to keep my mouth shut and my keyboard off. Outtahere...

Exactly. The idea that there is a worthy Emperor is a pious fiction. The DH religious-political complex is implicitly dishonest (hardly unique, given RW history) and manufacturing it (GRoY) made it more vulnerable to the Lunars, rather than more resilient.

I believe we still have some freedom as mandated by Greg and YGMV, or is canon now diktat?

Or, in the world of Realpolitik, The Red Emperor cuddled up to the resurgent Dara Happan Emperor and happened to be on hand when he died magically during a 'failed ritual'. every incarnation passes the tests indeed, just as every Emperor is a Mask, and the Darjiini misnumber the Emperors, and the Emperors not infrequently have contradictory policies yet are the same. I don't believe a word of it.

I trust you are being sarcastic, no?

Entirely plausible - but not inevitable, given the Lunar murder of their Emperor, suppression of his heirs, crushing of all resistance and subversion of their religion. It is the latter, I believe, that is their great weak point, given that it is based on a constructed religious history 'found in Alkoth' by Yelmgatha, and having a bare 15 years to bed down before the Lunar appropriation. It is worth noting that in the RW there were cultures who produced new doctrinal documents and declared that they had been 'found in the temple' to give them authenticity and stature. (Deuteronomy is perhaps the best known in the modern era.) Yelmgatha attempts this with GRoY, but I doubt it had time to take wide effect before his death.