Ali the Helering

Oooooh... nice....

Except that it isn't a continuous period. If you allow every nation to 'fill in the gaps' then there are actually many nations that could make such a claim in the present RW. Your latter point is entirely correct, of course, but I was commenting on Dara Happan identity, rather than Lunar. Particularly since the Celestial Empire, I think that Lunar identity is mediated almost entirely through the temples. The arch and arrogant Dara Happans aren't going to impress the peoples of the west of the Empire, particularly since they share in a heritage of the Spolite Darkness which opposed - and broke - it.

How dare you suggest I got the date of the Dawn wrong, particularly when I got the date of the Dawn wrong????🤪 Okay, that is an extra 215 years under alien domination, at least as far as the understood 'Dara Happa' of the Tripolis ruled by itself.

As far as I can tell, using the dates from the Fortunate Succession, Dara Happa only existed as the (independent and whole) Tripolis for 852 years since the Dawn, with numerous interruptions. That date includes some years that should, perhaps, be excluded. Therefore it is worth noting that for much of the post-Dawn era, around 770 years were spent under others, or as a partial nation. Separate traditions will have emerged as part of this, not simply due to the Pre-Dawn 'history'. The Empire can easily manipulate these different strands of thought to weaken ideas of unity, so after 370 years I am not sure how much of a 'Dara Happan identity' will remain.

Oh yes, and the unity of Dara Happa is a divine fiction, anyway....

It might be worthwhile researching the lives of subsistence farmers in the ancient world. You will find that for many breaking-even each year could be classed as a major success. If you are dealing with relatively well-irrigated river lands, such as the Nile, things become different, but even in the present day survival as a farmer is often marginal. Organised societies often flourished by making farming a more communal feature, which could even out the bad years with better crop storage, thus the large landholding temples so prevalent in the Levant, Egypt and Mesopotamia. Rome communalised through large privately owned villa estates, usually assisted with industries and crafts. It would take a miracle for an independent farmer to become financially successful. Sorry, but that's ancient economics for you.

IMG it is experiential, an Otherworld that isn't compliant with Surface World concepts like topological mapping. HeroQuest stations work well, as does anything for a Cyberspace NetRunner!

Hmmm... whilst true, you put me in mind of an occasion I was talking to Tindalos, and told him I was returning from the primary Christian Heroquest. He promptly replied "So you've been presiding at Communion?" Sussed.

Now Tindalos is accusing me of advertising....

At the moment he is formatting 'Alakoring's Legacy', a follow-up to 'Heort's Legacy' that we produced a year ago. After that he may be free for other work.

http://zzabursbrownbook.blogspot.com/2015/03/cacodemon.html This contains Tindalos' version of Cacodemon.

Your experience may vary!

Returning to a previous theme, though, the Credit Rating is not entirely dissimilar to the old Wealth rating in HQ, which indicates that it can truly work for a mythic world. It is also a better approximation to the RW Bronze Age (duck and cover!) than is a cash-based society.

Look Nozbat, I know it's exciting, but really....

Amen, brother AlHazred. Shall we gather at the river, the beautiful Creek/Stream/River?

I just like her as an abbreviated winged hussar....

There are also likely to be small shrines connected with any Dara Happan regiments stationed in DP, for the sake of the noble officers.

In which case, according to Cults of Terror, that does include Vivamort, Nysalor, and Thanatar. While Krarsht lacks the rune, Primal Chaos is an associate cult, and she does grant Defend against Law and Face Law, which certainly implies something! Bagog also has the rune, and has tribes ruled by queens, which strikes me as a social structure. I think 'good for Glorantha' can all to easily be slanted as 'good for the cultures I like'.

The Orlanthi and the Uz certainly had cause to identify Nysalor as chaotic, but he was a great builder of society. Vivamort creates society by way of the vampire's dependence upon a stable group of prey. Thanatar creates a society based on stolen knowledge. Krarsht is the soul of corrupt bureaucracy. Creating society is not the same as 'doing something good'.

If they are not Chaos gods, I don't understand your definition. Do you only class Wakboth and Kajabor and surviving fragments (Cacodemon) as Chaos gods? If you mean they didn't come from out of the Void, the same would be true of Thed, Ragnaglar, Malia, Tien, Atyar, Krjalk, Telmor etc etc. I think you are trying to find a rationale that fits your definition, rather than questioning your assumptions.

Nysalor? Vivamort?

I think there is an implicit bias to the question, one that has been highlighted in the analysis of the US-European understandings by Eric. Why do you think it a taint, rather than a blessing? The Chaos-blessed know that the simplistic analysis of other cultures is limiting and unproductive. Chaos offers the opportunity for fresh insights and developments with each Chaos Gift. The Heortlings are particularly mendacious, denouncing cannibalism whilst celebrating Porscriptor the Cannibal as a tribal ancestor. Ogres are people too! (YGWV)😜

Those, and the ones with the Alynx and Aramite filters....

Mine has to have a Resurrection spell cast upon it from time to time...

Have you been watching my Zoom sermons????