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i'm dissatisfied with her being Earth only because the story of the Rebel Gods is of the Earth goddess rebelling and leaving. I'd be happier if she was some other kind of elemental deity.

wait till you hear about Rod Reel & Fist

... earth?

In 369, right as the First Theyalan War ended, King Arstor of Somarin and Brolia lead the Talastari faction angry at the entire war, the alliance with the Dara Happans, the kinslaying, and him generally being a gigantic dick. After a debate lead to spirit combat, Loko Moko struck King Arstor so hard he fell unconscious for thirteen seasons and the rebellion was ended. There's a version of this in Guide to Glorantha. Okay I think we can all agree he was literally a heretic, he tried to apotheosise himself as the New Wind to replace Orlanth, like. This isn't just about the winners. The man was famously a creep. Odysseus is famous but nobody thinks we should act like him. He was a terrible human being.

neglecting that Loko Moko had to first brutally subdue them because they revolted against him joining the Broken Council in the first place. Also that he demanded he replace Orlanth in worship in Theyalan society after engaging in deeply heretical and shameful acts... Aside from that, Ms. Lincoln, how was the play?

@Joerg you missed that Nysalor was itself a Solar insult on top of whatever other nonsense the Gbaji wars was. All those fanatics seized power over the Storm gods and then unleashed the Über Light to control the world.

I've heard suggestions that (in Peloria), Shargash was slash-and-burn agriculture, while Lodril is the fire god of wet rice agriculture, which replaced it. His association with ash and burning certainly makes this likely. I'm not sure what happened to Shargash's Celestial rune, if anything; He's a mystery to me as the Death Celestial. I always thought He was the Sun at night, because He is the Sun god in the Underworld, but I don't think anyone agrees with me.

as I understand it, the vendref (Grazer slaves) are Orlanthi from a wide range of stock, from as far afield as Esrolia - the Esrolians have massive slave markets. They are forbidden from bearing arms or worshipping Orlanth, but they can worship any Earth god - Barntar is noted as a favorite - and there's no reason they can't worship like Yinkin or some of the Thunder Brothers or Heler. They also get to live in settlements and they are protected by the Grazers.

then maybe changing "broo, the most common foe, rape everything they can" to "broo, the most common foe, implant everything they can with gross larvae" might seem like a reasonable change also, everyone assumes that rape is natural. first of all, Gloranthans aren't chimps. (But then again, neither are humans: we share a common ancestor with them and bonobos.) Second of all, there are human cultures where brutal rapes are literally unheard of. So I'm not sure why we're making a big deal out of insisting our sieges have brutal rapes in them. Are we suggesting it's "realistic"? Crops don't grow in most of Prax because a large serpent god got hacked into pieces there I'm not sure why this specific detail is the one that suspends disbelief for you, but it is entirely possible to assume people maim, enslave and kill without raping. It's just kind of a weird assumption for me that rape is automatic in Glorantha, especially when it's specifically associated with Chaos behavior. Are we to assume the Praxians also eat the humans? If not, why?

Maybe we don't want to deal with rape in the made-up fantasy world, Ian. Maybe women deal with constant stress and terror every day. Maybe I can't take out the trash after 430 pm because the sun has gone down because it's winter so I have to ask my male roommate to do it because it's too dangerous. Maybe I will never walk alone at night in my entire life. Maybe I can't ever put down my drink in a public bar at any time. Maybe my sister has been drugged because she did that and someone slipped a roofie in it even though she was sitting right there and he tried to get her out the door as "his drunk girlfriend". Maybe every woman I know has been raped or sexually assaulted or has narrowly escaped this situation, including myself. Maybe I can't go to my car alone at night because it isn't safe. Maybe you don't understand how absolutely constant this is, how much it pervades every situation, so that when I moved into my new apartment with the male friend I've known for years the female roommate I'd just met told me when she was leaving to see her boyfriend what time she'd be home and her contact info even though I barely knew her name. Maybe we don't want rape in the fantasy world, Ian, because it's omnipresent for women.

the way it works in Glorantha is that someone heroquests for power, so it's the other way around, sort of. Also, the first FHQ proved herself to be Sorana Tor, the Killer of Men and Queen of Dragon Pass, the living embodiment of Ana Gor, the goddess of human sacrifice, so not Ernalda specifically but the sort of inspiration for Hon Eel's role as maize goddess. Thus the subsequent FHQs do the heroquest and prove they, too, are Sorana Tor.

that was from the short period of occupation

I think you think the Gods do stuff actively in Glorantha, which they do not

https://www.glorantha.com/feathered-horse-queen-dynasty/ no the first FHQ conducted a brutal war forcing submission of the tribes and the Sun King under the auspices of "I am the chosen of Orest". Nothing like that at all.

I'm telling you what they believe. They believe her name is a title for Entekos mistaken as a separate deity. I don't know that assigning a deity as a deity of a gender is really a thing. Jernotius/Jernotia is the deity of who refused to pick a gender but there's not really deities whose job it is to be a woman or a man. Also Jernotix is a deity of illumination, not "not being a gender"

can you clarify?

They're not thralls to anyone, they just happen to also worship Orest, who is apparently Ernalda, and thus have a common bridge with which to interact with the Orlanthi. They're quite un-Orlanthi, keeping human slaves and worshipping Yelm as a fiery pony. The Grazers - the Pure Horse People of the Feathered Horse Queen - are kinder to their slaves than most PHP because of their vulnerability to the Orlanthi and the fact that most of the slaves, who are agriculturalists, are Orlanthis. They basically limit their interference to "don't worship Orlanth and no weapons"

In the Faroes, they used to talk of the terrible Irish who came from the sea in their longboats, destroying and stealing the cattle and food and raping all the women. It's all relative.

heat is Lodril, the god of the filthy peasants who worship savage Risketing gods Pela and Oria are important to women of Peloria. Dara Happa prizes Dendara but Darsen and elsewhere ignores Her as another name for the female Wind god Entekos. Darsen is likely to be lots of Moon and Wind runes, and not necessarily sorted by sex. It's really only Dara Happa that's gonna be split so hardcore, I think.

whew aim high gurl

... did I not mention the remnants of the pseudo-Viking invasions of Wales? Votekworix and his kin didn't last here more than maybe one hundred years all total

just remember that the Kargzanti and Pure Horse and other Gamatae peeps are Yelm worshippers. They are Solar civilisations, and boy did they Sheng Seleris the crap out of the Lunars over and over. Part of the lack of conflict in Dara Happa is that Moon's beef is with Air. Moon might be seizing the ritual space of Sun, but it's trying to mythologically oust Air. That's perhaps why the Solars don't care. The Yelornans (Ouranians) and Yelmalions (? maybe Polestar) are iffy about the Lunars, sometimes fighting them and sometimes allying with them. But they don't really care, not really, because the beef is with Umath's folk.

... no, the Lendarshi were one of three Tawari tribes. The other famous one was the Bisosae, who were more in Bindle. Both the Lendarshi and Bisosae joined the Great Accord.

I would not described it as "widely spoken", it was limited to "pseudo-Viking" remnant settlements in northern Wales and a region in what is now the far Northwest. Sorry to be pedantic but as an student of Irish and a linguist of Celtic I'd like to be clear about these things. Map of the pre-AS language areas of Britain, Old Irish in green

The Kereusi subgroup of Tawari were Gamatae and during the Grey Age were the origin of the Lendarshi renaissance, the Great Accord. Lendarsh was a Kereusi!