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Everything posted by Qizilbashwoman

  1. this is what the God Learners did. when the changes got too big, the web snapped back into place and it was like nothing they had ever done had ever changed. Heroquesting can change things, but changing the actual past in big ways isn't gonna work - things that affect the literal past rather than affecting the way things work now, like "the story where the spirit leaps the river now isn't about tricking the fish but simply using it as a springboard" is kosher but "I stopped the Sun Stop" is treyf. You can't stop the Dragonkill, or the Red Emperor's Egi from being maimed by the Sultanate of Tork. It's too big a change. Think of time travel rules. But you can change small things. You could probably change the fate of a minor spirit at the Battle of Castle Blue, thus ensuring it lives (or dies). It's like... Doctor Who rules. There are fixed points. Mostly we heroquest about the future. We fix heroquests that Chaos has tried to change, or use them to empower ourselves by mimicking the god until we, too, can take its form. Or we use it, as the famous Valare Addi did, to learn the truth of history (or create propaganda about it): what happened in the past? What did the gods do? What lore was lost?
  2. Agreed, and thanks for the clarification - I know least about Malkionism as any part of Glorantha because it's already essentially an abhorrent creed to me, and Rokarism is like a distillation of the worst of it. Things seemed okay at the beginning in Danmastalan and even interesting, and then immediately everything went buck wild.
  3. Hey they're actually in the Bestiary, just ... not where I expected them to be in the Index. Thanks!
  4. Historically, golems are a Dangerous Mistake. It requires deep applied theology (however that works in your system, i.e. magic) to make one because you're creating sentience - it's not necromancy, but depending on your game, it might be worse! This is what Mary Shelley gave us in the (novel!) Frankenstein, which is a relatively excellent spin on the original story of the Golem of R. Löwe of Prague: a golem furious at the demiurge who recklessly made it. It's the perfect thing for a sorcerer to make, because that's basically what sorcerers are all about: a little knowledge and a lot of hubris.
  5. now that's Orlanth Victorious were they hollri? also, are hollri troll-like? they seem like they must have the Person Rune but I've not really read where they came from. I'm guessing they are like snowbominable snowmenz?
  6. Almost: the original Abiding Book wrote itself out of thin air on Jrustela; then the God Learners happened. The Luathan Quake sunk Jrustela and the original copy of the Abiding Book was lost. The Shielded Abiding Book was indeed a GL-altered version of the Abiding Book, but it didn't survive. Most GL used the original Abiding Book. Later, Rokar decided (apparently entirely incorrectly) that the Abiding Book had had been altered by the God Learners for their own goals, so he purged it of Bad Ideas, thus bringing us the Sharp Abiding Book. The Abiding Book he purged was the standard 216-verse one. His Sharp version left only 72 verses.
  7. Well, and to their credit, it was the first attempt to systematically examine the religious practices of various peoples and compare them. This work is admittedly pretty important to Glorantha, at least theoretically. It's comparative religion, except, of course, that magic exists, so a little more complicated. The GL generally agree that the gods are not, like, really gods, adhering outwardly to the Jrusteli Abiding Book. They applied rigorous scholarly discussion to the situation and to be honest here on this board and elsewhere throughout Gloranthaland you'll see nerds using terms God Learner terms like burtae (a God descended from more than one rune, like Umath, son of Primolt and Ga) and srvuali (a God descended from one rune, like the Three Brothers Dayzatar, Arraz, and Lodril, who emanated from Primolt) and the like to talk about the Gods, and the Monomyth is explicitly their reconstruction of the underlying mythos common to all savage (non-Malkioni) Glorantha. (The Zzaburi had strong opinions on these mortal Jrusteli assertions, leading to several extremely unpleasant events such as the Luathan Quake). The real problem with the God Leaners was a familiar one. They just ... got carried away and got besmoted. Which seems to happen repeatedly to accelerationists: Bright Empire, EWF, God Learners, Lunar Empire: y'all get good and interesting ideas and just take it too faaaar. The God Learners actually Took It Too Far in Many Different Ways, which is sort of interestingly different from the Gbajid debacle, the Dragon Drama, and the Lunar Lunacy: they sort of went in every single direction possible all at the same time, and half the GL were apostasising the other half as devils. The Clanking City Heresy was a God Learner cult. I like to think of God Learnerism as "Protestantism", because it's all splinter movements of splinter movements. The Zistorites of the Clanking City were extremist Reconstructionalist Hadmalists, for example; Hadmal theorised on the idea of the core runes and then extremists splintered his followers; then the Reconstructionalists came up with a new paradigm of a "missing" rune and the extremist core of that group, the Zistorites, decided to make it. The entire Middle Sea Empire is like a fantasy version of reading about the weird religious movements of North America.
  8. i focused on the Armenians because where they live have many similarities to Dragon Pass. Most areas are actually classified as Mediterranean climates or are mountainous areas so they are just a hair too cool to be Mediterranean (so they get actual snow in winter). The Viking one I picked only because I wanted to show the actual size that longhouses can get. Also, the Longhouse Cultures of the Northeast of North America wasn't just *pre-*Columbian; it lasted a long time after. Longhouse politics affected early American political thought and social life - the word caucus is an Algonkian word and it was no accident that the first woman's suffrage movement happened at Seneca Falls.
  9. Don't speak to Turos and his fire-stick or his ten small sons and their fire-sticks ever again
  10. i'm definitely no Eurmal, because I get the nice butch ladies to do that for me
  11. Oh! Is Pavis' daughter of a Clay Mostali?
  12. Dwarves don't have gender so this one is a question. They're chipped out of mineral.
  13. I continue to find it implausible that the most feasible plan for clan housing would not be used. The large main hearth area would still be square! Individual housing is direly labor-intensive and materials-intensive and practical only in intensely-settled places like cities, where clan is broken up. The entire structure of Orlanthi life is around clan on top of the history of how archaeology tells us people lived. The pre-modern Hemshin only didn't make longhouses because of the extreme peculiarity of their geography, it was one of the most notable things about them.
  14. AFAIK they just... married. You might know more than I do.
  15. Two photos of Hemshin Armenian architecture. The Hemshin, due to the terrain, did not have build the same kind of longhouses typical of lowland areas; they made large houses instead. They were scattered due to the nearly vertical nature of the agricultural areas and a lack of enemies; they could build small farmhouses and not get murdered. The Hemshin survived the Armenian Genocide because nobody realised they were Armenians: they are Muslims and their language is quite distinct from other kinds of Armenian. Today they produce tremendous amounts of tea (and drink like 10 cups a day!) and no longer try to grow large amounts of food. The first picture is a traditional house; image that, but loooong. The second is a Yayla (pasturage) near Rize. You can see that in the modern day, traditional tents - again, no need for a longhouse here - have been replaced by houses.
  16. Orlanthi steads are likely very large stone-based wooden longhouses surrounded by wooden pallisade walls; separate residences are likely limited to a limited number of specific groupings, like night-time field guardians, the airier un-pallisaded summer longhouses up in the yaylas, and where weirdo shamans or librarians (i.e. Lhankorite/Sartarite Brown Men) insist on living like hermits or because their materials are too dangerous or rare to risk fire and children. In areas where these residences exist archaeologically and now, particularly in comparatively mild Dragon-Pass like environments, there are separate food storage buildings on stilts accessible by removable ladders away from the longhouse and a small storage area on top of the main longhouse for treasures. The food storage is separated to prevent infestation and sealed in pottery; they are accessed over time one at a time to reduce spoilage. Longhouse dwellings are par for the course in clan cultures. Food is communally prepared by specialists, not by individuals. Layouts and social structures are largely similar from Indonesia to Armenia to the Haudenosaunee of North America because these communities face similar issues of social and work organisation.
  17. Troll society says: "if you birth twins, they are enlo. except if they are Mistress Race, when they are a miracle." Outsiders who understand trolls at all beyond "they are all krjalki!" find this confusing, because enlo look only vaguely similar to other kinds of trolls. The first rule is usually "the small weird ones are called enlo, or trollkin, and are slaves. Or food. Or both. And they don't really count as trolls."
  18. The novels that spawned Don Quijote include Las Sergas de Esplandián and were wildly popular: it's how we got the name California, named for Queen Califia of that book, who ruled an island of ferocious amazon woman off of Africa (California was believed to be a very large island by the first Spaniards because they hit Baja first). Las Sergas de Esplandián was a fanfic follow-up (!!!!) to Amadís de Gaula, which would make a really interesting alternative setting for Pendragon because the characters are quite unfamiliar but the rest is not really.
  19. I meant Delicti, admittedly a heretic but who was just using GL magic, who gave us ... a lot of questionable things, including the Tuskers, as well as in the same era the spontaneous crossbreeding of Dwarf, Elf and Human in Pavis (which was EWF) and earlier, the Council Era interbreedings. But yes, I simply meant "of that Era". A lot of that time has things we don't have anymore, like Zistorite bodily enhancements (GL tech) and other weirdnesses.
  20. nnnngh this is... not exactly accurate. It seems like people attune to culturally-appropriate things as they grow. Esrolians are known as Earth people because... they are Orlanthi and ruled by women. Human women are associated with the Earth rune in central Genertela, from Pelor to Prax, although some societies - like Orlanthi and Dara Happan, are real firm about it, while others are more flexible. Dara Happan and Lodrili men love the Fire Rune because of the Solar Pantheon. Orlanthi men love the Storm rune because of the Storm pantheon. Prax tends to be more diverse, but still, more women are Earth than men and the men are likely to have the rune of their tribe, which might not be a question of ancestry at all. And arrival of the Lunar Way suddenly created a massive surge of people initiating with the Moon rune - both male and female -, moving from the Lunar Heartlands outwards with Lunar influence. That's not ancestors, that's cultural! Ethnicity plus personality. I rebel at the idea that it's somehow Genertelan "genes". A big part of initiation is affirming individual choices. You are shaped by your environment and culture but you still get to decide. That's why some Storm women end up with Storm runes, or some men end up with Earth runes everywhere, or why there are people with Water or Darkness runes in Kerofinela.
  21. that was Godlearner/EWF stuff, though. Same time got us Tuskers out of Aramites as Dwarf-Elf-Human crossbreeds. Not sure that's really en vogue right now, and even then the trolls didn't participate. i mean sure, I think it could happen, but Kyger Litor doing something with fertility that isn't about restoring the uzuz fertility? gonna hafta say no. I guess you could be Kitori-blooded, but that's not really how you get your runes.
  22. Redalda is a "Daughter of Vingot", a title given to three powerful Ram priestesses. Naturally this title comes because they are claimed to have Vingkot's bloodline, because... they are powerful! As a Rider you don't necessarily buy this, or care whether it's literally true or mythologically true, but it's likely worth patronising them.
  23. it'd have to be Kitori, you can't... breed with uz, that's not a thing
  24. We should be clear that sometimes the goal of a Dart War is to kill the current Mask so the next-in-line can assume the throne. Once Monsoon messed with the Sultanate of Tork sometime during his fights with Sheng Seleris, the Chaos hordes managed to kill or maim some of his Egi somehow as they killed him. That lead to him requiring "hosts" to reincarnate, thus creating the Mask system. Masks have enough personality left in them that they can and do favor their original bloodlines and the like, so after a bold assassin's attempt on a noble accidentally killed the Red Emperor's Mask and the result wasn't a mass genocide of those responsible ... yeah, let's just say The Game Suddenly Was Afoot. Notably, the vengeance of the assassinated Red Emperor comes in the form of... the Tax Demons. I'm not 100% sure what that means but I'm pretty sure it means you better be scrupulous in honoring the throne with offerings if you are going to try to replace His Majesty's current body.
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