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I have boldly assumed that the Red Moon brought the New World crops, not just maize. So now you have potato. Historically, maize spread first. It reached the uplands of China so fast we don't even really know how it got there exactly. People think potato was the revolution but honestly maize conquered the most distant reaches of the world by like 1500ish. The Hmong were growing it deep in the mountainous regions of southern China, northern Vietnam and Thailand-Laos-Burma some fifty years after Columbus.

marry me

Etyries is different in that She can replace Issaries; in all facets, She is able to replace His worship. She additionally replaces Lokarnos; there was even a Dart War about it. This is different than, say, the three scholar deities, whose focuses are very different. Etyries has caravan and outreach; she manages established home markets; she has tribute and explorer. Also, Issaries in Lunar Sartar is a different thing than elsewhere because that's a hotbed of rebel troublemaking. Sure, they say they're tolerant of everything but Orlanth but edging out the goddess of markets?

Well, it's a match made of two fine minds. While He was proven a gifted chieftain in his initiation, Ernalda is the one who brought in the weddings. She was responsible for cementing half of those alliances, and She did a lot of it with Her own equally-smart mind. The yearly contest between Heler and Elmal? That's Ernalda.

Uh so the problem I'm seeing here is that existing markets in Lunar Sartar are going to be sacralised to Etyries. While we've seen Argan Argar and Issaries share markets-as-temples in Nochet, I don't think that's the case in Lunar Sartar. Etyries has subcults that are devoted to proselytisation, like Orvenus Speak the Words.

Well. The Helerites remain, it's the Blue civilisations that did not. The Red Cow clan is full of blue-skinned, white-haired people who worship Heler, for example, but attempts at colonising failed in the Flood or after. There are blueskins all over Genertela, at least, but none of them are anything but remnant peoples; there's no real city-states. Of course, this might change with the return of the Dragonboat(s)... Gonna be some "revitalised" sog cities. Esrolia better build some shore defenses.

Well, Asrelia and her sister Ty Kora Tek were emanations of Gata, except Asrelia is also Voria-Ernalda-Asrelia. I don't think you can ignore that weird little dance where as the old saw goes she's "maiden mother crone". The "Ernalda" generation is Ernalda, Maran and Esrola; Babeester Gor is born when She is dead, and She is not dead yet when this happens. The Great Darkness is yet to happen; this is still "are we people or gods" stuff. Voria is always portrayed as a child, horrified by sex; we see in Greggish texts of this age Voria being described in Pelorian works as such. While I think the Celestials are a horrorshow, which is amplified by Nysalorean Illumination into wildly-gendered misanthropic abusive puritanism (hello, Yelmalions and Yelornans), I don't think this extends into child marriage. I really do stand by Ernalda, Maran and Esrola. We know Oria is actually Esrola because the texts tell us; Maran does fit quite well as the warning vengeance in her emanation Maran Gor. I never thought of Gorgorma as Babeester Gor; that's interesting. hm

Jernotix as Light, hunh. I guess that is a good precursor to Illumination, ha! The Entekosiad story - I'm sorry, I can't remember which ethnic subsection it is - has them as the parent of the three Earth goddesses kept by Derdromus in the underworld freed by Turos, namely Oria, Dendara, and Gorgorma. This ... argues for Dendara as Ernalda. Oria = Esrola and Gorgorma = Maran. Idojartus "Fire Maker, Light Carrier" is Lightfore, son of Turos and Oria, but I don't know who Idovanus is. A scholar god? In the Great Ennead He is the God of Order and Idojartus doesn't appear at all. He is the god who tends the ersoon (temporary ritual altar) that is the Sun every day. I'd like to super clarify something here in case it's unclear: Molanni isn't Entekos, Serenha is. And despite the Entekosiad, there's absolutely no way Entekos is Dendara. It is a fantastic work ... but it's Lunar propaganda. It has all the facts - and then never makes its essential argument in the book. That's because there's no evidence they are the same. The evidence in the book is the opposite. I'm not 100% sure why our scholar wrote this, exactly, but she did. Also, evidence from multiple books says Entekos is the eldest child of Umath, which we know is Serenha, and DH source even says that's why she's got a man's name: she inherited Umath's mantle and so the DHs just kept calling her by the same name.

not covered in the game, but without spoilers, pretty clearly the effect of the Six Ages tribe will be the Solar presence in later Theyalan societies. We're in the Ice Age and we are seeing some later gods for the first time. And yes, Berennethtelli are clearly related. 🙂 The game takes place in roughly what is now the City-State of Raccoon, i.e. Vanch, if you want to coordinate with your maps while playing without first figuring it out. Sadly I never met any raccoons.

I hope some attention is paid to the allegations just made right there @Trifletraxor because yeehaw what on God's Green Earth

and to be fair to Him, He was literally a demigod already running a state, what, 1500 years before the first FHQ, and he did marry a different Earth goddess symbolising the authority of Dragon Pass as soon as it was possible to do so

Orlanth was supposed to be the outreached hand, the open mind. His Initiation was the Prison of Enemy Gods, and only his ability to befriend these aliens with foreign needs and thoughts enabled them all to escape. That's what makes him Rex.

okay but uh it turns it into "the land is just as much a person as every other divine thing and it has its own grown-up opinions about who should be in charge" You're sort of sounding pretty negative about Ernalda and her fowk when them's doing nothing that all the top-level actors in the game are. Of course she's trying to be boss! That's what the powerful gods do, largely, including but not limited to: Storm Bull, Yeld (including all holders of that title), Lodril, Umath, Orlanth, Shepelkirt (Sedenya aka the Red Goddess), Flamal, various gods of the Water rune, and so forth. Name a rune, we can name the god(s) who vie to take over the world from that rune. What do you think the Great Flood was? Exceptions are the ones who find alternative power outlets, like Humakt.

Plentonius' narrative of the God's Wall identifies the wife of Erlandus (Orlanth) as Erlanda, Mother of Kings. Also the Glorious ReAscent says it was Muharzam as Yelm slain by Erlandus with Terminatus, while Fortunate Succession says it was Muharzam who was killed and it made Yelm sad. (GR also says Entekos was Umath's name and was taken by his daughter.)

Dara Happan myth says she left tho?

i mean uh is this worse than "the King is the boss always"? also, Ernalda loves Orlanth but she has a lot of year-husbands on the side: Elmal, Heler, I mean, just look at all the children she's born and how they were born. She's the Great Earth Queen, and she commands a family of Great Earth Queens.

There's also Darkness without Cold in Pamaltela, the rune of the Muri (sweaty trolls) via their patron mother god, Moorgarki. I believe hoon do as well, being degenerate Muri without the Person rune. (There are "normal" uz in select parts of Pamaltela, having arrived in by boat in rather recent times, as well romal basically everywhere in very small numbers, who probably due to their Chaos-corrupted constitutions seem to handle the heat better.)

literally the world was significantly larger, but there were fewer mountains and zero oceans, and also a lot of happy people interested in exploring. Even the Vadeli weren't monsters yet.

FYI llydaw is from the Common Brittonic term litawya that means "continent", and is Latinised as Litavia. It appears as Litavia in some translations, in fact. Emhyr is just a Latin loanword.

it refers to the Artmali Kingdom, interesting

Where does Lodrilela appear in a text? This is a strange form and breaks Greg's apparent self-formed rule about names

when a Gloranthan word ends in a resonant (r, l) the locative ending -ela > ia It's Lodrilia, not *Lodrilela - your friendly neighborhood linguist

Who is Yelm now? Arraz? I know we've seen everyone from Dayzatar to Ourania as Yelm,* but I got lost at who is actually Yelm now. I think it's Arraz. Right? *It was never Lodril, though

I thought she was connected to Water like Oslira. After all, her holy day with Entekos is a rainmaking ceremony and Entekos "the Right Air God" is not a Water deity but probably Umath's eldest child, Serenha, the Calm Middle Air, not exactly what you associate with rainmaking. *cough* @Jeff I don't mean to rainmake on your parade but buddy don't break our hearts

actually canonically Vinga is Orlanth, that's a weird one-off change that was made a while ago. but yes, that's the general principle. it's doubly so with Lodril, as we just discussed with the Weirdo Twins Aurelion and Caladra. Is this a case of Caladra being a (sex-swapped by God Learners) Son of Lodril or is it just Lodril again in a new wrapper? The world literally will never know.