Glorantha Sourcebook, 2nd edition changes

[metcalph]

Looking through the Book

• The genealogical tables for many of the ruling houses have been changed from a powerpoint presentation to actual coins of the rulers.
• There's a piccie in the Xeotam dialogues.
• The sketch map of the Gloranthan Underworld has been replaced by the Cosmology of Glorantha that was in Cults of RuneQuest: Mythology.
• A map of Golden Age Glorantha has been replaced by a Map of the same period from the Guide to Glorantha.
• The same is true for the maps of the Storm Age and Great Darkness.

 

[Moragion]

Thanks for the info! I bought the sourcebook last year, so... Will probably buy the pdf at some point in the future.

[Austin]

Thanks Metcalph, this is helpful. Looks like I probably don't need a copy of the new edition. Still, I'm glad Chaosium's making sure it's available in print for new customers.

[AndreJarosch]

1 hour ago, Crel said:

Thanks Metcalph, this is helpful. Looks like I probably don't need a copy of the new edition. Still, I'm glad Chaosium's making sure it's available in print for new customers.

1. Kepp the book available for new customers. 
2. Bring the layout in line with the rest of the RQ line. 
3. Make the title easier to find in online shops (i tried some online shops and searched for "RuneQuest" and this book didn´t came up... but they had it in their shop, it just wasn´t connected to "RuneQuest" et all). 

Edited April 11 by AndreJarosch

[Nick Brooke]

I ran a PDF comparison and found just ten "significant" textual edits in the first forty or so pages. One was a new typo, one was an odd edit, two changed name-forms, and six reordered or tightened-up existing wording.

Spoiler

The Beastmen 
=> The Beast Men (passim)

The crippled Pure Horse Tribe
=> The crippled Pure Horse Tribe0 [typo]

...his uncle, the Great Horse.
=> the Great Horse, his uncle.

There they settled and grew quietly to strength, hiding amid the nonhumans and growing in the wisdom...
=> They settled there and grew stronger, hiding amid the nonhumans, guided by the wisdom...

The foothills of the watershed were avoided by the superstitious Praxians, whose memories... 
=> The superstitious Praxians avoided the foothills of the watershed. Their memories...

The Grazers, created within the pass by Ironhoof...
=> Created by Ironhoof, the Grazers...

Derik Poljoni 
=> Derik Pol-Joni (passim)

a god neither Yelm nor Elmal, but...
=> a god not Yelm, but... [odd edit]

As a result, Moirades became the third King of Dragon Pass.
=> As a result, Moirades became the new King of Dragon Pass.

... with only his closest advisors, their sworn servants, and the crowd of nameless sacrifices. All of them who came out afterwards...
=> ... with his closest advisors, their sworn servants, and a crowd of nameless sacrifices. All who came out afterwards...

tl/dr: nothing to write home about. I doubt I'll bother doing any more of this, but you're welcome to try.

[Tatterdemalion Fox]

Quick question for anyone who has the new printing. Gods of the Lunar Way, list of the Seven Mothers, pg. 148-149 in the first printing: which lunar phases are Deezola and Jakaleel associated with?

Edited Friday at 03:26 AM by Tatterdemalion Fox

[Molok Medramerek]

1 hour ago, Tatterdemalion Fox said:

Quick question for anyone who has the new printing. Gods of the Lunar Way, list of the Seven Mothers, pg. 148-149 in the first printing: which lunar phases are Deezola and Jakaleel associated with?

Nothing has changed in this regard: Deezola—Crescent Go Moon, Jakaleel—Dying Moon.

[metcalph]

1 hour ago, Tatterdemalion Fox said:

Quick question for anyone who has the new printing. Gods of the Lunar Way, list of the Seven Mothers, pg. 148-149 in the first printing: which lunar phases are Deezola and Jakaleel associated with?

Jakaleel is the Dying Moon and Deezola is the Crescent Go Moon

[Brian Duguid]

5 hours ago, Tatterdemalion Fox said:

Quick question for anyone who has the new printing. Gods of the Lunar Way, list of the Seven Mothers, pg. 148-149 in the first printing: which lunar phases are Deezola and Jakaleel associated with?

Note that in contradiction to the above, The Lunar Way has Jakaleel as Crescent-Go Moon, and Deezola as Dying Moon, both in the Seven Mothers write-up, and in their own chapters.

[Tatterdemalion Fox]

You successfully puzzled out my motive in asking! I was discussing Deezola last night and had a moment where I pulled out both Sourcebook and the Lunar Way to cross-reference.

[mfbrandi]

12 hours ago, metcalph said:

Jakaleel is the Dying Moon and Deezola is the Crescent Go Moon

And this agrees with the Prosopaedia and with the old (non-canon ILH #2) HeroQuest glyphs linking Deezola with Lesilla (crescent-go) and Jakaleel with Gerra (dying).

Maybe it is some kind of spindle/knitting mix-up. Perhaps it is a new heresy — a new goddess swap!

[metcalph]

When I was spitballing some ideas for Lunar Magic for HeroQuest, I did have the idea that a Lunar would be defined by the cult *and* the phase of the Moon.  Thus a Dying Yanafali would look very different to a Full Half Yanafali.  

Nothing much came of it.

[Nick Brooke]

I think this change (and it was a conscious change, before the typo-theorists start up) was motivated by (a) the desire to have Queen Deezola more strongly associated with Gerra, the ancient Black Moon goddess of suffering, (b) the obvious associations between Jakaleel the Witch, the troll-haunted Blue Moon Plateau, the lost city of Mernita, and therefore Lesilla/Cerullia, the ancient Blue Moon Goddess who is linked to the Crescent-Going phase of the moon, and (c) the common-sense association between Jakaleeli Witches, the horns of the crescent moon, and sickles used to slice bits off naughty children who ask irritating questions.

Edited Saturday at 08:11 AM by Nick Brooke

[Nick Brooke]

In my Glorantha (and Your Glorantha Will Vary), the Seven Mothers can sometimes be associated with transitions between phase-states, rather than the phases themselves. Teelo Norri is Full => Full Half (Verithurusa), Jakaleel is Full Half => Crescent Going (Lesilla), Deezola is Crescent Going => Dying (Gerra), and so on and so forth. But YGWV.

[scott-martin]

On 4/27/2024 at 4:15 AM, Nick Brooke said:

transitions between phase-states

This is the way. Otherwise the modern empire would be as fixed and predictable as the seven-day phases and we know this is not the case . . . the tension between the Mothers cycle and the lunar week produces a "wobble" that some genius stargazer has undoubtedly calculated as driving the wanes. Sometimes people who get too deep into one or the other find this frustrating.

Really just here though to find out if the phantom "Erona" is still a land goddess separate from her near-identical-twin Frona. Cool if so, just want to know.

 

Edited Sunday at 03:44 PM by scott-martin
the real reason

[Brian Duguid]

3 hours ago, scott-martin said:

Really just here though to find out if the phantom "Erona" is still a land goddess separate from her near-identical-twin Frona. Cool if so, just want to know.

I think the map in question (showing Eronela) has been eliminated, and replace with the map from page 22 of Mythology.