David Scott

That's the problem. The queen was Gata, he is arthur and tada is launcelot. There is no daughter in Prax. That's a major plot hook for Samastina arriving at the Paps with Argrath - she has the story of the daughter who was sent away - and knows who the real father is.

Ok. Please get your point across in some better structure. Tada was acknowledged across all of Genertela. He was Genert's fertility. All aspects of Male Earth Power and Fertility at this time were Tada or Genert himself.

That's because it was his personal demesne, there was no land goddess of his lands. At least no acknowledged one. Other gods took over his fertility role at the dawn.

You managed to confuse me about Tada rather than clarify his role. I tend to see Tada as the (slightly) human avatar of the Earth King. Tada is Generts fertility/son. In terms of the Godlearners he is the anthpromorphic form of Genert's fertility and his son. He is both Genert's genitals and his son/fertility, he is young Genert with the Earth goddesses making the Earth Fertile while Genert is the wise old man (see the Waha counter in Nomad Gods)..

At this point in time the three Great Earth Temples were all pretty much the same, just emphasising different aspects of Gata and her children. There was no real separation at this point. The Paps wasn't called the Paps but some older name likely translatable as "Home of the Great Earth Mother and her King" and was at the site of Genert's Palace. When Eiritha was buried, her grave was like a necropolis outside the gates of the main complex. Only when the Palace was destroyed did the Paps take over. It's only really an annexe. The separation between Hrelar, Ezel and the Garden Temple only came later in the Great Darkness (and with the souther centres). All now have pieces of the story.

Any male Earth aspect is the Earth King / Genert / Pamalt. It is possible that other later land goddesses had different fathers, but not at the moment.

Guide page 681, Golden Age Map. Draw a line from the Black Camp of Introspection to the Yellow Camp of Enlightenment. The Earth above this line is predominantly the Genertelan Land Goddesses, Below this Pamaltan. Things moved around later, so it wasn't so clear cut. Generts Garden and Pamalt's fields mark the "home turf" of the Male Earth Gods. Pamela got the pool, while Genert got the pointy up bits.

Thanks okay, I was just wondering if I'd missed something. However there is some merit in the idea, especially when combined with a lunar army quartermaster scenario - a M*A*S*H style comedy of errors (Series 2 episodes 12 "The Incubator" & 17 "For Want of a Boot")

As much as the other gods and goddesses of the Earth. He was a part of the Earth. Likely he had a huge palace in Hrelar Amali as befitted the primary Earth god of the continent. Seshna is one of the land Goddesses so a daughter of Gata and Genert. All of the Earth came from Gata. So likely is Britha. Remember, other people's may have different origin stories for something, so britha may have a different origin for them. All mythology is correct, even the conflicting stuff. Genert's fertility is applicable to the whole northern continent up until his death, Tada is the personification of that power, he lived adjacent to Genert's palace, but his power was not limited to his personification. Tada likely had as many palaces as Genert across the land. Genert clearly devolved (had children) his power into other forms and likely so did Tada. Don't confuse the personification with the power. The Earth's mythology is much more extensive and far reaching than what we see in the third age. Much of it has been lost due to its destruction through chaos, so you've got to think bigger. The Earth's mythology is very straightforward, all of the Earth is gata and her daughters, regardless of what others say. Turos's origins are clear on the gods wall. III-1. Gerendetho Lord of the Earth, is clearly one of Gata and Genert's sons. And Gethendetho is one of the gods that the Sables on the hungry plateau worship for his connection to Tada and Genert.

I can't find a reference for this - any ideas?

Genert was the offspring/lover of Gata. His/their/her daughters were the Land Goddesses. His presence was through his daughters who were the Land. He was the male Earth aspect to their female. As an Earth god, he was of course everywhere and also in his palace. Without his male aspect the land had no fertility, and his fertility was so powerful it was personified as Tada. Tada entertained many Earth Goddesses and the land was rich.

IIRC, this was due to Greg and a scaling mistake he made. From memory Genertela is 3000 miles across and some where along the line the continent got stretched. I even think it there was an imperial/metric mistake mixed in there. Anyway it took Colin a major amount of work to rescale the main map. Different sections were stretched in different ways. Greg did it all on paper, separate pieces of paper, it was only when they were scanned and stitched that the errors were realised.

The illustration is from Masters of Luck and Death page 63. It's illustrated as part of a Hero Band, the Servants of the Wild. Personally, I'd ignore the hero band and use the main Heortling Mythology page 48, as it provides more detail on the White Spider Practice. The Dragon Pass Gazeteer has a William Church illustration of the Temple and a report an a ceremony there. Here are the links to the references. the last two are in the vault and are cheap. https://www.chaosium.com/the-book-of-heortling-mythology-pdf/ https://www.chaosium.com/masters-of-luck-and-death/ https://www.chaosium.com/dragon-pass-a-gazetteer-of-kerofinela-pdf/

Page 198. Clan Hearth illustration. Numbers need removing or a key added.

IIRC, the original in Griffin Island has the numbers removed, but I think @Rick Meints found the original that had the numbers and used that. There is no key. Ive added it to the error page.

Elder Wilds section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9 https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/ This is a digital composite of two of Greg's maps showing some of the work that was needed before Colin even started on the maps. If you ever visited Chaosium's offices you would have seen Greg's giant map of Dragon Pass stuck to the wall. This was a tiny fraction of his hand drawn maps that needed scanning and digital stitching. The top left overlay in black and white is part of his separate Lunar Empire maps, part of the Gregarth Atlas that has appeared from time to time at cons. A lot of maps were stitched to form a continuous map colin could work from.

The Grazelanders section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9 https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/ Mike Perry's test compositions for the Wooing of Sorana Tor.

Tarsh section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9 https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/

Sartar section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9 https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/ Mike Perry's test compositions for The Apotheosis of Sartar

Dragon Pass section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9 https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/ One of @Jan Pospisil's early roughs of The Defeat of Starbrow’s Rebellion on page 169.

Genertela section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9 https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/

This is the Deep Discussion thread for Week 9 - Feel free to speculate, move away from the Guide section under discussion and into other related areas. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9/

Index - https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6558-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-index/ Please keep your discussions to the current section - it's easy to wander off. Please keep your discussions on the current section in this thread. Use the Deep discussion thread for related but off topic speculations and investigations. Please only add to this if you've read the section. I'm trying to avoid derailments by non-participants. If you are having difficulty finding the threads - they are all tagged: guide to glorantha group read, click the tag and the treads will all appear: https://basicroleplaying.org/tags/guide to glorantha group read/ ----- Please don't forget to start reading the next section, Fronela for week 10. From page 199 up to and including page 233. You've got until Monday 28st August. Any errors in the next section, please put in the week 10 errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6663-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-10-errors/ This week we started our foray into the regions of Genertela, with Dragon Pass, Sartar, Tarsh, The Grazelanders and the Elder Wilds. The links to the relevant threads are below: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6666-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-genertela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6667-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-dragon-pass/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6668-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-sartar/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6669-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-tarsh/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6670-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-the-grazelanders/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6671-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-elder-wilds/ ----- https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/

This is a place where you can post any errors you spot in the Week 10 Guide to Glorantha Group Read. Please note that there will be a different thread each week to post errors. This weeks page range is page 199 up to and including page 233. Please include the text to be corrected and the correction. @Rick Meints has clarified versions of the Guide, please check your errors against the latest PDF:

They likely came from the Dwarf of Dwarf Run. Looking at the items from WB&RM, the Alchemical transformer, the Canon Cult and the Stone men it's not to far a stretch to get assault rockets. But you have to ask yourself, what do the Lunars have that the Dwarfs don't? I think the answer is moon rock. Just think what the dwarves could do with that.