David Scott

Cosmology discussion here! https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

Index - https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6558-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-index/ Please keep your discussions to the current section - it's easy to wander off. Please keep your discussions on the current section in this thread. Use the Deep discussion thread for related but off topic speculations and investigations. Please only add to this if you've read the section. I'm trying to avoid derailments by non-participants. If you are having difficulty finding the threads - they are all tagged: guide to glorantha group read, click the tag and the treads will all appear: https://basicroleplaying.org/tags/guide to glorantha group read/ Please don't forget to start reading the next section for week 9. From page 166 up to and including page 198. You've got until Monday 21st August. Any errors in the next section, please put in the week 9 errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/ This week was a number of small sections, Cosmology, Major Pantheons, The Hero Planes, Beyond the Middle World and Regions of Glorantha. The links to the relevant threads are below: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6643-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-cosmology/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6644-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-major-pantheons/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6645-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-the-hero-planes/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6646-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-beyond-the-middle-world/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6647-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-regions-of-glorantha/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

This is the Deep Discussion thread for Week 8 - Feel free to speculate, move away from the Guide section under discussion and into other related areas. main thread - https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/

This is a place where you can post any errors you spot in the Week 9 Guide to Glorantha Group Read. Please note that there will be a different thread each week to post errors. This weeks page range is page 166 up to and including page 198. Please include the text to be corrected and the correction. @Rick Meints has clarified versions of the Guide, please check your errors against the latest PDF: The most up to date version of the PDFs is on Chaosium.com

Apologies - Week 8 - running late - threads up tuesday AM UK time

When introducing Glorantha as bronze age to newcomers, not one person in 40 odd years has ever said which one. The rough delineation of stone / bronze / iron age has been good enough. I totally agree with this. Yes they will all do, although few in my group would care for such details. When introducing new players to the Praxians, i say stone age nomads mounted on unusual animals who get bronze stuff from nearby bronze age cultures. Likewise no-one has ever said which stone age culture.

Avidly reading through the RQ1 book and reading that weapons were bronze as it's a bronze age setting - as a young teenager I had no idea what that really meant. Things got even more exciting when it was discovered that it wasn't really bronze at all but something similar and that really that this metal substance was the bones of dead gods! Runequest got even cooler with that. Why bother with D&D - it didn't even matter what god clerics worshipped, but with Runequest we were using parts of them to adventure with.

The second mention of the Middle Sky (first actually as it occurs before the one you mention) is in Umath's actions during his spiral of destruction on page 116. This importantly shows us the different levels in the Sky World. Dayzatar sits almost inside the Aether, but as the Aether encloses (plate 2) Dayzatar is as high as he can get. In plate 5 Yelm rises into the sky. later his sons also occupy the sky. Then Entekos the goddess of the atmosphere rises to be the connection between the ground and sky. Umath then stirs the sons up. In plate 7 he moves through the Middle sky - that occupied by Yelm and his sons. Eventually Orlanth rises up from the ground and kills Yelm. then Orlanth usurps the rule of the middle air. On page 42 Entekos is named as the Pelorian Goddess of the Middle Air. This is who Orlanth usurps. The Heavens section on page 644 tells us that Orlanth occupies the Upper air and the middle air, below that is the Lower air, the realm of weather. Entekos's "current altitude marks the boundary between the Lower and Middle Airs". Putting this together gives us some levels above the Earth: The Aether Dayzatar's level - Upper Sky Yelm's level - Middle Sky Orlanth - Upper Air Orlanth - Middle Air /Red Moon Entekos - Middle / Lower Air boundary Other storm Gods - Lower air (Weather). Earth Maybe there isn't a lower sky? The curve of the Sky Dome is going to affect Jumpers, Rausa is the Jumper you are referring to and she's on the western horizon. Confusingly as the Sun Path would appear to be in the Middle sky and as it dips down towards the edges, it will get lower. It would seem that Rausa would be jumping into the level of the Sun Path. There's no maps in the guide that show these levels and the curve. One of the reference pictures for the sky in the Guide was the picture in Mike Dawson's Codex 2. In the sky part you can see the three sky levels: Here's a mashup: The Aether Dayzatar's level - Upper Sky - Upper Heavens Middle Sky /Sky Realm Yelm's level / Sunpath- lower Sky Orlanth - Upper Air / Central Air Red Moon - Middle / Upper Air boundary Orlanth - Middle Air Entekos - Middle / Lower Air boundary Other storm Gods - Lower air (Weather). Earth ----- That's enough Godlearner work for tonight:-)

Fortunately we have Appendix I in the Guide, starting off by saying Although the Reflection theory is certainly expounded by some mad philosopher in Glorantha, we have the hard fact of the Guide to show us the truth.

Not really, it repeated says it in the Guide, where does it say otherwise? on page 141: on page 158 on page 240 on page 295 on page 296 on page 297 Page 644 describes the relationship between the Lower, Middle and Upper Air Finally page 648 There were a few other quotes, but overall the verdict say Middle Air

As you fall through the Earth in somewhere like Hellcrack, a second older attraction will take place that of Water that birthed Earth, then of Dark that birthed Water. It's a huge chunk of Earth that left behind a crater. I would say that no one on Glorantha thinks about that as there isn't a science structure to support that thinking. I think there is an equilibrium of pull in the middle air, being the child of air and sky. Those that become more air than earth or sky can float and fly. most sink to earth though. sky people must overcome the the pull of earth and the middle air to reach the sky if flying.

As well as a style to differentiate borders (without it, was often hard to see complex edges), we did the double and more banding to show the edges of empires and other larger political units that still contain visible regions. Follow the lines and you will see the areas enclosed. A key isn't needed.

Chaos is part of the compromise. That it still exists is proof of that.

The red goddess was a bit of a cheat as she was assembled from several other forgotten and broken gods from the God time. She was only inside time for 27 years before she left to sit in the Middle air - outside of time. During her 27 years she set up her new worship network, and by wining the battle of castle blue, proved she could exist. None of her followers who later ascended to the moon are gods, they cannot give rune magic, but give instead weird new magic that sort of mimics other magics. I believe it all all goes wrong in the end as Dragons tear her apart.

Third Age section comments here! Main thread: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6602-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7/ Deep Discussion: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6603-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-deep-discussion/ Errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6552-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-errors/ Here's Jeff's map for the Birth of the Red Goddess:

Second Age section comments here! Main thread: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6602-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7/ Deep Discussion: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6603-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-deep-discussion/ Errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6552-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-errors/ Here's another of one Lawrence Keogh's WIP, this time with Jeff's edits:

Dawn Age section comments here! Main thread: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6602-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7/ Deep Discussion: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6603-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-deep-discussion/ Errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6552-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-errors/ The historical maps in this chapters took a lot of to-and-frowing between Jeff and Lawrence Keogh. Jeff drew them out by hand, scanned them and then sent them to Lawrence. Who then drew them into Illustrator and then sent them back and so on. Here one of Jeff's maps Dawn maps:

This is the Deep Discussion thread for Week 7 - Feel free to speculate, move away from the Guide section under discussion and into other related areas. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6602-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7/

Index - https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6558-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-index/ Please keep your discussions to the current section - it's easy to wander off. Please keep your discussions on the current section in this thread. Use the Deep discussion thread for related but off topic speculations and investigations. Please only add to this if you've read the section. I'm trying to avoid derailments by non-participants. If you are having difficulty finding the threads - they are all tagged: guide to glorantha group read, click the tag and the treads will all appear: https://basicroleplaying.org/tags/guide to glorantha group read/ Please don't forget to start reading the next section for week 8. From page 146 up to and including page 165. You've got until Monday 14th August. Any errors in the next section, please put in the week 8 errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/ This week we move on to the three historical periods of Glorantha, the Dawn, Second and Third Ages. So this week we get to cover all of history! The links to the relevant threads are below: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6604-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-dawn-age/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6605-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-second-age/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6606-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-third-age/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6603-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6552-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-errors/

This is a place where you can post any errors you spot in the Week 8 Guide to Glorantha Group Read. Please note that there will be a different thread each week to post errors. This weeks page range is page 146 up to and including page 165. Please include the text to be corrected and the correction. @Rick Meints has clarified versions of the Guide, please check your errors against the latest PDF: The most up to date version of the PDFs is on Chaosium.com

Firstly the use of the word abilities is a mistake that slipped through editing (it's in my original text). Replace it with Is a member of every spirit society they are eligible to join. Yes Using the Praxian tradition as an example and referring to this doc: 572e0fb189614_PraxianTraditionstructurev2.png.ec9cfaf5bfe96994790c46d4e8e3724a.png over in this post : https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/4533-the-praxian-tradition/ So a Waha shaman could preside over Daka Fal, Foundchild, the Many Friends societies (with the appropriate rune) and Storm Bull rites. If he was from one of the Minor tribes, he could preside over their founder's society rites such as Great Rhino. And he can't really refuse those from those societies that come to him. He's not part of Eiritha or any other womens' societies. Likewise a Sable Eiritha shaman with a Moon rune is also a member of all the appropriate Paps societies, Daka Fal, Storm Bull (in theory yes really - she's not chaotic, but there is no organised SB in the tribe), Helpwoman. She must choose between the Hidden Ancestor (non-Lunar) and the Twinstars (Lunar) societies, but if with the Twinstars, she's a member of the Red School of Masks and the Jalakeel society.

No use at all. When I ran Gringles Pawn shop with HeroQuest Glorantha, I quickly went through the NPCs highlighted their names, drew boxes around their descriptions and bookmarked those in the PDF. I also picked 1 to 3 runes to give an idea of ability, normally based on cult. When I've time I block out the entire stat block leaving weapons so I don't have to make that up. NPCs don't have stats as the difficulty is set using the usual HeroQuest guidelines.

I edited out as it was then pointless having the skill for an NPC and should have gone with

It sort of happens in Apple Lane - the bandits are a duck, centaur and two types of Dragonewt, now if they went in to the Tin Inn...

And back to the topic - using magic repeatedly Fortunately HQ is not simulationist and we don't have to think about what NPCs do when we are not looking at them. What counts is the moment of interaction and the abstraction of the guard being a story obstacle not fully developed character - that could come later. I actually feel that the cross fertilisation between HQ and RQ will ultimately benefit RQG by helping GMs overcome the need for total detail with NPCs. I always thought it was cool that Quackjohn in Apple Lane has amongst his skills Snooker, Musical spoons and sew. until I realised that a short descriptive paragraph would of served better. eg. Quackjohn loves to entertain by playing the spoons and is virtually unbeaten in snooker. His love of sewing is reflected in his neat clothing.