Exsteel Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 If a Giant were to cast the Bear's strength rune spell would it double their strength, even if the Giants' strength is higher than a bears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason D Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Exsteel said: If a Giant were to cast the Bear's strength rune spell would it double their strength, even if the Giants' strength is higher than a bears? Yes. Why would anyone teach a giant that spell, though? Edited August 23, 2021 by Jason D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlearner Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Jason D said: Yes. Why would anyone teach a giant that spell, though? Why wouldn't they? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Exsteel said: If a Giant were to cast the Bear's strength rune spell would it double their strength, even if the Giants' strength is higher than a bears? The giant would have to be an initiate or rune master of Odayla, but sure why not? Maybe there are giant bears that are as big to a giant as a bear is to a person... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 hours ago, PhilHibbs said: The giant would have to be an initiate or rune master of Odayla, but sure why not? Maybe there are giant bears that are as big to a giant as a bear is to a person... Or of Orlanth Thunderous (RQG p302), or find an initiate (or better) of Odayla or Orlanth that cast it for him (range is touch). I can see a lot of reason for doing this, either for the giant or for an other caster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 So you get another giant bear, possibly big and strong enough to wrestle the Star Bear. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kloster said: ...or find an initiate (or better) of Odayla or Orlanth that cast it for him (range is touch). No, the target explicitly needs to be an Odaylan. There's probably a Q&A correction for Thunderous or anyone else that gets it as an associate. Edited August 23, 2021 by PhilHibbs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said: No, the target explicitly needs to be an Odaylan. There's probably a Q&A correction for Thunderous or anyone else that gets it as an associate. Ooops, you're right (RQG p319). That means an initiate of Orlanth Thunderous that learns Bear's Strength as a member of an associate cult can only cast it on an Odaylan. Seems strange, and seems a mistake. I can't find any correction on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/publishers/chaosium/runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-players-book-print/cha4028-runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-qa-by-chapter/cha4028-runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-chapter-14-rune-magic-spells/ Quote Bear’s Strength (page 319) Change Last sentence changed to “…Rune Masters of Odayla or an associated cult.” Part of Second printing corrections. Unfortunately that amendment didn't make it into RBoM. Edited August 23, 2021 by PhilHibbs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Wulfraed Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 39 minutes ago, Joerg said: So you get another giant bear, possibly big and strong enough to wrestle the Star Bear. And now I'm having visions of ursa major and ursa minor https://my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-rakoon1.fandom.com/wiki/Ursa#Ursa_major_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 10 hours ago, PhilHibbs said: Unfortunately that amendment didn't make it into RBoM. So, that means a giant that is a rune master of Orlanth can also cast or receive the casting of Bear's Strength. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Kloster said: So, that means a giant that is a rune master of Orlanth can also cast or receive the casting of Bear's Strength. Ouch. Any initiate or higher of any associate can be the target, so a Giant initiate of Foundchild or Daka Fal can get it cast on them as well. Plus there's truestone and matrixes. On the more general subject of associated cult targets, I think it's a shame that Bear's Strength is a special case. It was only made a special case because it is available to Orlanth Thunderous. But the special case allows it to be cast on any associate cult member - Daka Fal, Foundchild, Lady of the Wild, Orlanth, and Yinkin. I would rather see this, on all such restricted spells: "...initiate or rune master of X, or an associate cult member that has learned it." So you want Bear's Strength on you, you have to be in an associate that gets it and learn it. You can't cast it on any Daka Fal worshipper just because it's available to Orlanth Thunderous. If a cult turns up that is an associate of Telmor that gets Wolf Hide, it's already there in the spell description. That's how I'm going to run it I think. Edited August 24, 2021 by PhilHibbs 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HreshtIronBorne Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Couldn't the Orlanth Thunderous Initiate also be a member of Odayla? Or vice versa? It is a FANTASTIC spell to "splash for" if you are munchkin-ly inclined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, HreshtIronBorne said: Couldn't the Orlanth Thunderous Initiate also be a member of Odayla? Or vice versa? Yes they could be... but why? If you want access to the other spells, then sure, but you have to build up two separate RP pools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 And, franky, I have problems when I try to imagine a giant, member of Odayla's cult, taking part to a great hunt. For such a creature, Orlanth Thunderous seems easier, if only for size. They are, after all, the perfect living lightning rod, but would have trouble hiding and stalking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissolv Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Giants traditionally have antipathy to the Gods in most, if not all mythologies. My Glorantha follow that trend. In this case Bears are tiny creatures, like mice. So why would a Giant ever worship the Bear god in the first place? This makes no sense. Better to be big and powerful. Ho Ho Hrrrrm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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