Erol of Backford Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 From Arcane Lore where would this temple be and does anyone have more info: Betimagor Uzbane Orlanthi War God dedicated to destroying Uz (trolls). • Manifestation. 3 • Strength. 3/11 • Powers. Truesword Feat (W3), Armor Friends Feat (W3), Heal In Combat Feat (W3), Find Trolls Talent, See in Darkness Talent, Set Troll Afire Spell, Sword and shield Combat Skill (W2) • Worshippers. 800 • Location. Temple in southern Sartar. • Secrets. Make sure souls go to Orlanth even when captured and killed by trolls • Connections: Orlanth Pantheon, one of the Thunder Brothers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 It makes sense being near Troll Woods 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermet Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Doing a quick search of my PDFs, I find this in Heortling Mythology Quote The Darkness was a time of plenty for the Trolls; they wandered the surface world at will no longer fearing the harmful sun. The hungry eaters of the Dark Tribe of Boztakang often attacked the Survivors, stealing cattle, eating children, and killing hunters. Among the Survivors there were those known as the Jars Anstaggi “People of the Shadows.” The most renown was Kestang the descendent of Betimagor, the Champion of Drastch, named after the great battle at the dark Drastch Mountain, where the Thunder Brothers fought against the Uz, and everyone got to keep their shadows. Kestang showed the Vulture Campers how to fight the trolls just as his ancestor had. He could see in the dark and had magics to set trolls aflame. He was a shadow fighter, even going into the Palace of Darkness with his band of Betimagor Uzbane warriors. He wrought great damage, but was eventually trapped and killed by Zonkozor and the forces of Deloradella. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nevermet said: Drastch Mountain I'll search it up and Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermet Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 It's in the Indigo Mountains near Dagori Inkarth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, Nevermet said: Heortling Mythology I have it so it'll be fun to review this evening. Thank again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runeblogger Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said: From Arcane Lore where would this temple be and does anyone have more info: Betimagor Uzbane Orlanthi War God dedicated to destroying Uz (trolls). • Manifestation. 3 • Strength. 3/11 • Powers. Truesword Feat (W3), Armor Friends Feat (W3), Heal In Combat Feat (W3), Find Trolls Talent, See in Darkness Talent, Set Troll Afire Spell, Sword and shield Combat Skill (W2) • Worshippers. 800 • Location. Temple in southern Sartar. • Secrets. Make sure souls go to Orlanth even when captured and killed by trolls • Connections: Orlanth Pantheon, one of the Thunder Brothers Does Arcane Lore include these Hero Wars/HeroQuest stats? I have the book, but I can’t check it now. Quote Read my Runeblog about RuneQuest and Glorantha at: http://elruneblog.blogspot.com.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermet Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 That's just one of those texts I just keep reading over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Runeblogger said: Does Arcane Lore include these Hero Wars/HeroQuest stats? I posted it directly so it is as shown. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 11 hours ago, Nevermet said: had magics to set trolls aflame Where might we sign up, that would be cool during an exhibition trollball game!? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 1:18 PM, Erol of Backford said: • Worshippers. 800 On 11/14/2022 at 1:18 PM, Erol of Backford said: • Location. Temple in southern Sartar. On 11/14/2022 at 1:27 PM, soltakss said: It makes sense being near Troll Woods Which town is Southern Sartar would have a Orlanthi temple with 800 worshipers that hates/immolates trolls or does this need to be adjusted down similar to the Red Dragon Servant numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Dangerduck Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 This would tie in nicely to the Vinga's Ford scenario on the JC. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/315517 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 19 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: Which town is Southern Sartar would have a Orlanthi temple with 800 worshipers that hates/immolates trolls or does this need to be adjusted down similar to the Red Dragon Servant numbers? Definitely need to adjust down - 800 people is like a full clan. One of the clans of the Cultain (specifically the Kultain clan) was "destroyed" by the Kitori early in the war with Tarkalor. The tribe is centered on Vorda Hill with clans in the villages around. So you might get enough folk from across all the remaining clans to get to some proximity of that # of worshippers, but I really wouldn't go to that number for a small hero cult. (Personally, if you want a place/groups that hates/immolates trolls, it's the Sun Dome Temple - they are the ones who cast the Sunspears against the Kitori to defeat them - aside from the fact they aren't Orlanth worshippers.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) Which Orlanthi where enemies of the Kitori and what city would they be based in? We know the Sun Domers helped defeat them and thus gained their territory but which Orlanthi would have been part of the Kitori's defeat? In 1460, Belintar enabled the Kitori tribe of the Troll Woods to impose an ancient tribute upon the kings of Whitewall that broke the power of the Volsaxi until the Sartarite prince Tarkalor Trollkiller defeated the Kitori in 1560 and reestablished the Volsaxing kingdom. GtG Volsaxiland: This rich valley is home to a stubbornly proud people who harvest barley and raise dairy cattle. Bronze is very common here. The Volsaxi successfully rebelled against Belintar in 1340 and established an independent kingdom here that on occasion ruled most of Heortland. After over a century of rebellion, Belintar aided the Kitori to defeat the Volsaxi and they imposed a harsh tribute on the tribe. In 1550, Tarkalor of the Royal House of Sartar defeated the Kitori with his Yelmalio allies and forced the half-trolls back to the Troll Woods. In 1617, King Broyan of the Volsaxi magically resurrected the Hendriking kingdom and proved himself heir to the demigod Vingkot who once ruled all of Dragon Pass and Kethaela. GtG Doesn't the name Tarkalor Trollkiller make you think he'd be one who could make a troll instantaneously combust?! Could it be that Betimagor Uzbane was from Whitewall or based there when fighting the Kitori... but somehow it doesn't seem right? Edited November 18, 2022 by Erol of Backford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, jajagappa said: Vorda Hill I'll look for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipsterinspace Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 To include Betimagor I'd probably make him a small hero cult specific to one or two of the tribes, probably a hero of Orlanth, who teaches the Fireblade spirit magic spell at his shrine. The Truesword feat there points at him maybe being a hero of Humakt, but that would invalidate the Thunder Brothers angle given the whole ritual severing thing. 2 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said: Doesn't the name Tarkalor Trollkiller make you think he'd be one who could make a troll instantaneously combust?! Tarkalor famously had the Yelmalions beat up the trolls for him and then gave them a bunch of land for their trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said: I'll look for it. Left center of the first map you posted. The main town/tribal center is the dot on the northeast side, which is called, appropriately, Vorda's Hill. It has one of the main Earth temples in Volsaxiland (and the clan/tribe is traditionally a Peace clan). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 got it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 57 minutes ago, jajagappa said: It has one of the main Earth temples in Volsaxiland (and the clan/tribe is traditionally a Peace clan). I'd like to read more if I have that document you are referencing? Either way thank you Jaja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: I'd like to read more if I have that document you are referencing? As my document is still in the publication queue, the best source otherwise is Heortling Mythology p.185 - entry for Vorda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 I found another reference to immolating trolls in Masters of Luck and Death: Possibly there is a hidden shrine in Elf Ruins that teaches Brun Troll? I love the idea of humans/non trolls in general kicking some troll butt in Trollball. (belongs in another thread...) Maybe someone in the stands sets some of the troll players on fire when they are about to score or something like that? Does anyone have a guess as to a Burn Troll - Troll Immolation spell? Is it a divine/rune spell or is it like spirit magic? Does the troll catch fire and burn for a number of melee rounds and they take damage from like a fire elemental at the end of each melee round or something different? Possibly its a special ignite that burns skin somehow? Is it only good for trolls? On 11/17/2022 at 6:00 PM, jajagappa said: The main town/tribal center is the dot on the northeast side, which is called, appropriately, Vorda's Hill. That is if there isn't also a Humakt shrine of temple in Vorda's Hill? Curious if there would be a strong Sun County influence in Vorda's Hill. From Heortling Mythology: Vorda once took her whole clan to a hill in the Dreven Valley, where they were besieged for three years. She erected a temple on the hill that was sacred to Ernalda the Queen and to Urstera, a famous ancestress who protected them. Another reference to burning trolls... I suppose that there is a slight propensity to burn trolls in Glotrantha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said: Is it a divine/rune spell or is it like spirit magic? Since it comes from HeroWars/HeroQuest, it could be either or neither - might be some heroquesting power, too. 21 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said: That is if there isn't also a Humakt shrine of temple in Vorda's Hill? Curious if there would be a strong Sun County influence in Vorda's Hill. No to both! It's one of Ernalda's Sacred Hills! And it's the center of the Curtali tribe, which is known for peacemaking, etc. Do they deal with Sun County? Of course, but so do other tribes nearby. Nothing at all to indicate a Humakt temple - this is a place of Life, not Death. There are strong connections to Orlanth though. The Night Jumpers ostensibly come from the Curtali tribe after the Kitori destroyed one of their clans. The Night Jumpers are Orlanthi would had powerful jumping magic, even in the Darkness, and were among those who aided Tarkalor. The other prominent village of the Curtali is Stagwood, where the Orlanthi clan champion resides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipsterinspace Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: Does anyone have a guess as to a Burn Troll - Troll Immolation spell? Is it a divine/rune spell or is it like spirit magic? Does the troll catch fire and burn for a number of melee rounds and they take damage from like a fire elemental at the end of each melee round or something different? Possibly its a special ignite that burns skin somehow? Is it only good for trolls? Humakti get access to the spirit magic spell Fireblade, a very powerful spell as spirit magic goes, I’d say this is probably most straightforwardly covered by that. If you want to go the hero cult rune spell route with it, the spell Suppress Lodril offers a pretty strong template to work from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kr0p0s Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 As an aside, how common are hero cults? Do most clans have a local hero or is it tribal or regional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, kr0p0s said: hero cults I do like the idea of a hero cult from a (hidden shrine as they are peaceful there now) in or near Vorda and possibly in the Elf Ruins as well. Hero Cult for the win... maybe even an Elmalian one! Immolate Troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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