David Scott

We do have from Greg's archives a lot of draft and preproduction counters. Some are clearly WB&RM and Nomad Gods counter, some are clearly for those products but not used, some even have references to them - e.g. A&E pp5 (If you have this please let me know). Some are alternative poses and some are a mystery. I couldn't say for certain that any of the unidentified ones were for MoLaD. There are elephants for Nomad Gods, but also dragons, whales, balloons with gondolas, stars and many unfinished doodles all by William Church. Theses two are clearly for the Mammoth vs Dragon boardgame :-)

I'll talk to rick about it

The stats you're looking for don't exist. I would suggest a simple table to help you figure out what you actually need when dealing with them. This is what I'm using to run RQG in my Prax play test, it's based on the Council skills of the King of Dragon Pass Game and a table of my own devising. As a rough and ready approach it works pretty well. Before meeting an important NPC. I rough them out as to how I see them, with important abilities, you don't need them all! I print out a small sheet with this list on then as needed add levels. They shouldn't be good at everything: Here's Beti completely made up. "who I gather would be the current Colymar Queen and therefore the most likely for the PCs to encounter first." Primary abilities Animals Bargaining Combat Customs Excellent (She's the Queen) Leadership Excellent (She's the Queen) Magic Excellent (likely a Rune Lord) Plants Wealth Secondary abilities - best of Deception (Bargaining or Leadership) Diplomacy (Bargaining or Custom) Exploring (Bargaining or Combat) Farming (Animals or Plants) Hunting (Animals or Combat or Plants) Poetry (Custom or Leadership) Prophecy (Magic or Leadership) Strategy (Combat or Leadership) ---------- Reference (this works for me) Primary abilities Animals Bargaining Combat Customs Leadership Magic Plants Wealth Secondary abilities - best of Deception (Bargaining or Leadership) Diplomacy (Bargaining or Custom) Exploring (Bargaining or Combat) Farming (Animals or Plants) Hunting (Animals or Combat or Plants) Poetry (Custom or Leadership) Prophecy (Magic or Leadership) Strategy (Combat or Leadership) Fair Good Very Good Excellent Renowned Heroic % 50 70 80 90 120 150 Spirit Magic points D6 (3) 6 + D6 (9) 9 + D6 (12) Shaman 12 + D6 15 + D6 (18) 18 + D6 (21) Rune Magicpoints Initiate 0 Initiate D2 (1) Initiate 2 + D4 (4) Rune Level 4 + D6 (7) 10 + D6 (13) 15 + D10 (20) Helper spirits / allied spirits D2 -1 (0) D2 (1) D4 (2) D6 (3) Magic Items 0 0 D2 -1 (0) D2 (1) D3 (2) D4 (2) Hit Points 12 15 18 20 22 24 Armour 4 5 6 8 10 12

Chen Durel discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

Wanzow Province discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

Shiyang Province discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

Puchai Province discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

Jaubon Province discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

Hum Chang Province discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

Hanjan Province discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

Boshan Province discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

This is the Deep Discussion thread for Week 12 - Feel free to speculate, move away from the Guide section under discussion and into other related areas related to Kralorela. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6746-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-kralorela/

Index - https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6558-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-index/ Please keep your discussions to the current section - it's easy to wander off. Please keep your discussions on the current section in this thread. Use the Deep discussion thread for related but off topic speculations and investigations. Please only add to this if you've read the section. I'm trying to avoid derailments by non-participants. If you are having difficulty finding the threads - they are all tagged: guide to glorantha group read, click the tag and the treads will all appear: https://basicroleplaying.org/tags/guide to glorantha group read/ ----- Please don't forget to start reading the next section, the Lunar Empire for week 13. From page 292 up to and including page 328. You've got until Monday 18th September. Any errors in the next section, please put in the week 13 errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6745-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-13-errors/ This week we started our foray into Kralorela. The threads this week are divided into the Provinces of Boshan, Hanjan, Hum Chang, Jaubon, Puchai, Shiyang, Wanzow and Chen Durel, the Bliss of Ignorance The links to the relevant threads are below: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6748-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-boshan/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6749-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-hanjan/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6750-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-hum-chang/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6751-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-jaubon/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6752-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-puchai/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6753-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-shiyang/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6754-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-wanzow/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6755-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-chen-durel/ ----- https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6747-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6720-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-12-errors/

This is a place where you can post any errors you spot in the Week 13 Guide to Glorantha Group Read of the Lunar Empire. Please note that there will be a different thread each week to post errors. This weeks page range is page 292 up to and including page 328. Please include the text to be corrected and the correction. @Rick Meints has clarified versions of the Guide, please check your errors against the latest PDF:

I don't believe that moon magics need to be coloured, in hand with i don't believe that any elemental rune needs a colour. I'd be interested in a western devolved mythology of how the colours came about. Ultimately the Moon rune has no colour or phases. these have been introduced or devolved from the pure element. I can see that the Blue Moon is some kind of child of the Moon & Water runes, the Red Moon, Water and Fire, etc. but I don't see world wide acceptance of this. The Praxian Moon rune has no colour, the Hungry Plateau Sable's Moon rune is now tinged with red. For a while now I've been looking at what Moon powers sans blue and red actually are.

Just looking back over PoS - Carvak Zirian is Blue - http://www.princeofsartar.com/comic/31-harbinger-of-the-end/ I've just reread that whole chapter and it's still excellent! It also has an interesting comment by @Charles and a reply by @Jeff which is linked to here: https://plus.google.com/101223324205853115305/posts/Y99dVsCUXTf

Looking at the bigger magical picture of what Belintar did with the sixths, presents the idea that the elemental association with the land was already present. I find it hard to believe that Belintar overlaid a whole new system, he just brought it together and fine tuned it. We know that the moon rune was present in Glorantha before the Dawn and not in the form of the Red Goddess. In print we have three coloured moons and a number of old moon associated goddesses. The Red goddess and the Blue moon are just two aspect of the moon. Likewise we are told it's the Lunars who claim that the Moon rune is an element. Of course the storm pantheon dispute this, but actually it is an element. We know for example that some Praxians can have this as a dominant rune and nothing to do with the Lunars. With the Lunars gone, the Moon rune will still appear. We know nothing of the sorcerous schools of of the Ingareen's, but I suspect there is a slight bent towards moon magic. Perhaps just more grimoires that you'd expect. But they will be there. In theory there could be a Moon magic school. What it would teach perhaps has nothing in common with the Blue and red forms of moon magic currently in print. Another angle could be - what if there is a physical Moon component to the land, a long dead moon god / goddess that fell to the ground much like the blue moon did. As dead, only the body survives, no names or connections. Moon sorcery works better here due to this connection and more people are born with the moon rune as dominant. With Belintar gone, the moon magics funnelled towards the city of wonders reassert themselves across the land and normal service is resumed as since the dawn. Another important point with the runes and art. As they are interesting shapes, they will be combined in to interesting arty styles. Kalin's superb renditions of Belintar are arty insights to the otherworld of Belintar. The Man rune with the Moon rune head within the Law rune has echoes of the Vitruvian Man and also of Pavis. It also could be interpreted that the Ingareen's are moon rune dominant human sorcerers, which I would certainly go for, but with no connections to the Blue and Red Moon. None of this will change anything written in the God Forgot section.

@Archivist, I've corrected the mistake in my post: 2.0.1. @Richard S. is correct.

No, not with the actual system. HQG is HQ2.0.1 with slight changes to die rolling, difficulty levels, community rules to reflect the integration of Glorantha. Character generation is slightly streamlined but basically the same points build. Spirit Magic and Sorcery are more fully developed.

We ignored it in RQ3 as in the heat of the moment looking at another table made no sense. It wasn't until years later that I got the adventurer sheets that it became sensible (I only bought it as it was £1 along with the non-human box of sheets, even then not a great investment). RQ2 was easily the best. RQ3 ignore them on the sheet! and with the boxed Adventurer sheets, the missile part was often obscured by hit point scribbles as well as being tiny. No I couldn't be bothered to design my own sheets.

God Forgot section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6721-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-holy-country/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6722-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6693-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-errors/

Heortland section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6721-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-holy-country/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6722-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6693-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-errors/

Shadow Plateau section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6721-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-holy-country/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6722-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6693-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-errors/

Esrolia section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6721-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-holy-country/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6722-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6693-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-errors/

Caladraland section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6721-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-holy-country/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6722-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6693-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-11-errors/