David Scott

Thanks. Maybe, as the Earth preceeded the Sun. May be Gata had birthed all her daughter by then, maybe not. I'm not sure it really matters

i.e. Yelm's coup (that is ascension) into position as the Emperor, ending the Green Age and beginning the Golden Age. Thanks. Maybe, as the Earth preceeded the Sun. May be Gata had birthed all her daughter by then, maybe not. I'm not sure it really matters.

When did Tada become a trickster?

No she was clearly buried and the earth piled up on her. The Nomad Gods map and the RQ2 map clearly show what happened. She was gone. Her daughters, the protectresses are the source of her power. As Cults of Prax shows us in the Earth write up - there are basically two forms of the cult - Paps Eiritha and Herd Eiritha. Basically the same. When Yelm goes to the Underworld and the goddesses go with him Eiritha leaves the earth and enters the Goddesses Dream with her mother and siblings. She never returns to the surface and at the Dawn her power is through the Paps and her daughters.

Why a place of exile? who was exiled? The Paps was a temple to Eiritha. It's place where her people could contact her in the Earth.

Which point in Godtime are we talking about - Yelm's reign? Up until the great Darkness.

I don't understand the event you are referring to. Maybe, mythology isn't a science with hard facts. If we imagine Gata as a giant block of Earth and move away from her centre she devolves into her daughters at the surface. I can't see how they would be move. There's no plate tectonics here, perhaps land goddess ones. I don't see a large chunk of earth becoming another goddess unless I imagine one dying and a new one's soul/spirit rising up from her mother to fill the spiritual void. What they are called by surface dwellers will vary of course depending on their experience of contact and their personification. Again maybe. If we have to include a male element in the production of land goddesses, it would make sense that the norther ones are formed with the air of the northern male earth element.

I would suggest that the Red Moon never eclipses the Sun. To do so would be a challenge to the Solar supremacy that the Lunar religion parallels. It's happened in the Godtime, once the perfect sky was disturbed. Maybe at sunstop as a great shadow passed across the sun before it started again.

He's not integral, he is a part of Genert but separate. Genert had many parts. Hyena is one of them.

That's the problem. The queen was Gata, he is arthur and tada is launcelot. There is no daughter in Prax. That's a major plot hook for Samastina arriving at the Paps with Argrath - she has the story of the daughter who was sent away - and knows who the real father is.

Ok. Please get your point across in some better structure. Tada was acknowledged across all of Genertela. He was Genert's fertility. All aspects of Male Earth Power and Fertility at this time were Tada or Genert himself.

That's because it was his personal demesne, there was no land goddess of his lands. At least no acknowledged one. Other gods took over his fertility role at the dawn.

You managed to confuse me about Tada rather than clarify his role. I tend to see Tada as the (slightly) human avatar of the Earth King. Tada is Generts fertility/son. In terms of the Godlearners he is the anthpromorphic form of Genert's fertility and his son. He is both Genert's genitals and his son/fertility, he is young Genert with the Earth goddesses making the Earth Fertile while Genert is the wise old man (see the Waha counter in Nomad Gods)..

At this point in time the three Great Earth Temples were all pretty much the same, just emphasising different aspects of Gata and her children. There was no real separation at this point. The Paps wasn't called the Paps but some older name likely translatable as "Home of the Great Earth Mother and her King" and was at the site of Genert's Palace. When Eiritha was buried, her grave was like a necropolis outside the gates of the main complex. Only when the Palace was destroyed did the Paps take over. It's only really an annexe. The separation between Hrelar, Ezel and the Garden Temple only came later in the Great Darkness (and with the souther centres). All now have pieces of the story.

Any male Earth aspect is the Earth King / Genert / Pamalt. It is possible that other later land goddesses had different fathers, but not at the moment.

Guide page 681, Golden Age Map. Draw a line from the Black Camp of Introspection to the Yellow Camp of Enlightenment. The Earth above this line is predominantly the Genertelan Land Goddesses, Below this Pamaltan. Things moved around later, so it wasn't so clear cut. Generts Garden and Pamalt's fields mark the "home turf" of the Male Earth Gods. Pamela got the pool, while Genert got the pointy up bits.

Thanks okay, I was just wondering if I'd missed something. However there is some merit in the idea, especially when combined with a lunar army quartermaster scenario - a M*A*S*H style comedy of errors (Series 2 episodes 12 "The Incubator" & 17 "For Want of a Boot")

As much as the other gods and goddesses of the Earth. He was a part of the Earth. Likely he had a huge palace in Hrelar Amali as befitted the primary Earth god of the continent. Seshna is one of the land Goddesses so a daughter of Gata and Genert. All of the Earth came from Gata. So likely is Britha. Remember, other people's may have different origin stories for something, so britha may have a different origin for them. All mythology is correct, even the conflicting stuff. Genert's fertility is applicable to the whole northern continent up until his death, Tada is the personification of that power, he lived adjacent to Genert's palace, but his power was not limited to his personification. Tada likely had as many palaces as Genert across the land. Genert clearly devolved (had children) his power into other forms and likely so did Tada. Don't confuse the personification with the power. The Earth's mythology is much more extensive and far reaching than what we see in the third age. Much of it has been lost due to its destruction through chaos, so you've got to think bigger. The Earth's mythology is very straightforward, all of the Earth is gata and her daughters, regardless of what others say. Turos's origins are clear on the gods wall. III-1. Gerendetho Lord of the Earth, is clearly one of Gata and Genert's sons. And Gethendetho is one of the gods that the Sables on the hungry plateau worship for his connection to Tada and Genert.

I can't find a reference for this - any ideas?

Genert was the offspring/lover of Gata. His/their/her daughters were the Land Goddesses. His presence was through his daughters who were the Land. He was the male Earth aspect to their female. As an Earth god, he was of course everywhere and also in his palace. Without his male aspect the land had no fertility, and his fertility was so powerful it was personified as Tada. Tada entertained many Earth Goddesses and the land was rich.

IIRC, this was due to Greg and a scaling mistake he made. From memory Genertela is 3000 miles across and some where along the line the continent got stretched. I even think it there was an imperial/metric mistake mixed in there. Anyway it took Colin a major amount of work to rescale the main map. Different sections were stretched in different ways. Greg did it all on paper, separate pieces of paper, it was only when they were scanned and stitched that the errors were realised.

The illustration is from Masters of Luck and Death page 63. It's illustrated as part of a Hero Band, the Servants of the Wild. Personally, I'd ignore the hero band and use the main Heortling Mythology page 48, as it provides more detail on the White Spider Practice. The Dragon Pass Gazeteer has a William Church illustration of the Temple and a report an a ceremony there. Here are the links to the references. the last two are in the vault and are cheap. https://www.chaosium.com/the-book-of-heortling-mythology-pdf/ https://www.chaosium.com/masters-of-luck-and-death/ https://www.chaosium.com/dragon-pass-a-gazetteer-of-kerofinela-pdf/

Page 198. Clan Hearth illustration. Numbers need removing or a key added.

IIRC, the original in Griffin Island has the numbers removed, but I think @Rick Meints found the original that had the numbers and used that. There is no key. Ive added it to the error page.

Elder Wilds section discussion here! Don't forget Colin Driver's epic maps and the artwork. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6664-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9 https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6665-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/ This is a digital composite of two of Greg's maps showing some of the work that was needed before Colin even started on the maps. If you ever visited Chaosium's offices you would have seen Greg's giant map of Dragon Pass stuck to the wall. This was a tiny fraction of his hand drawn maps that needed scanning and digital stitching. The top left overlay in black and white is part of his separate Lunar Empire maps, part of the Gregarth Atlas that has appeared from time to time at cons. A lot of maps were stitched to form a continuous map colin could work from.