David Scott

The Dara Happans have linear time even in the God time. The gods lived in their domain often separate from people. There was still some form of separation between them and the gods. Yelm was in the sky for example and that was still separate from those on the earth. To reach him you would still have to traverse the worlds. I don't think it's hero questing as we know it, but I think its still a movement through worlds. Much easier than now. Maybe called something like going to the gods home. Like the worlds of Norse mythology before ragnarok.

Please add this to the error thread. There no reason I can see that these shouldn't be searchable.

Mike Perry did the The Four Otherworlds piece based on Jeff's initial sketch: @Charles I have a feeling that were you involved in this?

Mike Perry did the epic picture of Kalikos, here are the original roughs, clearly we went for number 5: For those who missed this from week 1: This piece of art was commissioned by the Kaikos society, the Finnish Glorantha society. http://www.kalikos.org. It is of course Kalikos... There is great article on how Mike Perry made this on his blog: http://mperryart.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/the-making-of-kalikos-hero-quest-for.html

Is there a reference for this?

Regions of Glorantha discussion here! Please quote which pantheon you are discussing. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

Beyond the Middle World discussion here! https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

Hero Planes discussion here! https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

Major Pantheons discussion here! Please quote which pantheon you are discussing. https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

Cosmology discussion here! https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

Index - https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6558-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-index/ Please keep your discussions to the current section - it's easy to wander off. Please keep your discussions on the current section in this thread. Use the Deep discussion thread for related but off topic speculations and investigations. Please only add to this if you've read the section. I'm trying to avoid derailments by non-participants. If you are having difficulty finding the threads - they are all tagged: guide to glorantha group read, click the tag and the treads will all appear: https://basicroleplaying.org/tags/guide to glorantha group read/ Please don't forget to start reading the next section for week 9. From page 166 up to and including page 198. You've got until Monday 21st August. Any errors in the next section, please put in the week 9 errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6640-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-9-errors/ This week was a number of small sections, Cosmology, Major Pantheons, The Hero Planes, Beyond the Middle World and Regions of Glorantha. The links to the relevant threads are below: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6643-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-cosmology/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6644-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-major-pantheons/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6645-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-the-hero-planes/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6646-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-beyond-the-middle-world/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6647-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-regions-of-glorantha/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6641-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-deep-discussion/ https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6601-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8-errors/

This is the Deep Discussion thread for Week 8 - Feel free to speculate, move away from the Guide section under discussion and into other related areas. main thread - https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6642-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-8/

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Apologies - Week 8 - running late - threads up tuesday AM UK time

When introducing Glorantha as bronze age to newcomers, not one person in 40 odd years has ever said which one. The rough delineation of stone / bronze / iron age has been good enough. I totally agree with this. Yes they will all do, although few in my group would care for such details. When introducing new players to the Praxians, i say stone age nomads mounted on unusual animals who get bronze stuff from nearby bronze age cultures. Likewise no-one has ever said which stone age culture.

Avidly reading through the RQ1 book and reading that weapons were bronze as it's a bronze age setting - as a young teenager I had no idea what that really meant. Things got even more exciting when it was discovered that it wasn't really bronze at all but something similar and that really that this metal substance was the bones of dead gods! Runequest got even cooler with that. Why bother with D&D - it didn't even matter what god clerics worshipped, but with Runequest we were using parts of them to adventure with.

The second mention of the Middle Sky (first actually as it occurs before the one you mention) is in Umath's actions during his spiral of destruction on page 116. This importantly shows us the different levels in the Sky World. Dayzatar sits almost inside the Aether, but as the Aether encloses (plate 2) Dayzatar is as high as he can get. In plate 5 Yelm rises into the sky. later his sons also occupy the sky. Then Entekos the goddess of the atmosphere rises to be the connection between the ground and sky. Umath then stirs the sons up. In plate 7 he moves through the Middle sky - that occupied by Yelm and his sons. Eventually Orlanth rises up from the ground and kills Yelm. then Orlanth usurps the rule of the middle air. On page 42 Entekos is named as the Pelorian Goddess of the Middle Air. This is who Orlanth usurps. The Heavens section on page 644 tells us that Orlanth occupies the Upper air and the middle air, below that is the Lower air, the realm of weather. Entekos's "current altitude marks the boundary between the Lower and Middle Airs". Putting this together gives us some levels above the Earth: The Aether Dayzatar's level - Upper Sky Yelm's level - Middle Sky Orlanth - Upper Air Orlanth - Middle Air /Red Moon Entekos - Middle / Lower Air boundary Other storm Gods - Lower air (Weather). Earth Maybe there isn't a lower sky? The curve of the Sky Dome is going to affect Jumpers, Rausa is the Jumper you are referring to and she's on the western horizon. Confusingly as the Sun Path would appear to be in the Middle sky and as it dips down towards the edges, it will get lower. It would seem that Rausa would be jumping into the level of the Sun Path. There's no maps in the guide that show these levels and the curve. One of the reference pictures for the sky in the Guide was the picture in Mike Dawson's Codex 2. In the sky part you can see the three sky levels: Here's a mashup: The Aether Dayzatar's level - Upper Sky - Upper Heavens Middle Sky /Sky Realm Yelm's level / Sunpath- lower Sky Orlanth - Upper Air / Central Air Red Moon - Middle / Upper Air boundary Orlanth - Middle Air Entekos - Middle / Lower Air boundary Other storm Gods - Lower air (Weather). Earth ----- That's enough Godlearner work for tonight:-)

Fortunately we have Appendix I in the Guide, starting off by saying Although the Reflection theory is certainly expounded by some mad philosopher in Glorantha, we have the hard fact of the Guide to show us the truth.

Not really, it repeated says it in the Guide, where does it say otherwise? on page 141: on page 158 on page 240 on page 295 on page 296 on page 297 Page 644 describes the relationship between the Lower, Middle and Upper Air Finally page 648 There were a few other quotes, but overall the verdict say Middle Air

As you fall through the Earth in somewhere like Hellcrack, a second older attraction will take place that of Water that birthed Earth, then of Dark that birthed Water. It's a huge chunk of Earth that left behind a crater. I would say that no one on Glorantha thinks about that as there isn't a science structure to support that thinking. I think there is an equilibrium of pull in the middle air, being the child of air and sky. Those that become more air than earth or sky can float and fly. most sink to earth though. sky people must overcome the the pull of earth and the middle air to reach the sky if flying.

As well as a style to differentiate borders (without it, was often hard to see complex edges), we did the double and more banding to show the edges of empires and other larger political units that still contain visible regions. Follow the lines and you will see the areas enclosed. A key isn't needed.

Chaos is part of the compromise. That it still exists is proof of that.

The red goddess was a bit of a cheat as she was assembled from several other forgotten and broken gods from the God time. She was only inside time for 27 years before she left to sit in the Middle air - outside of time. During her 27 years she set up her new worship network, and by wining the battle of castle blue, proved she could exist. None of her followers who later ascended to the moon are gods, they cannot give rune magic, but give instead weird new magic that sort of mimics other magics. I believe it all all goes wrong in the end as Dragons tear her apart.

Third Age section comments here! Main thread: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6602-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7/ Deep Discussion: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6603-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-deep-discussion/ Errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6552-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-errors/ Here's Jeff's map for the Birth of the Red Goddess:

Second Age section comments here! Main thread: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6602-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7/ Deep Discussion: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6603-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-deep-discussion/ Errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6552-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-7-errors/ Here's another of one Lawrence Keogh's WIP, this time with Jeff's edits: