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hey a lot of ... whatever we're deciding to call Malkioni and anti-Malkioni schools en masse ... are anti-tapping. The Rokari are and they are hierarchical abusive slaving assholes. Which brings me to why I never like Western/Malkioni settings: they are so unpleasant and the theology is worse, grim and miserable. I might think, like, Orlanth is an ass (I don't specifically) but at least Dragon Pass is interesting and the myths are fascinating. So much of the West is like: THERE ARE FOUR CASTES. ALSO THERE ARE WOMEN, THEIR OWN CASTE, BECAUSE THEY SUCK MORE. THE WORLD IS FILTH. It's like, listen, I live in New England in the United States, if I wanted shitty theology I could turn on the TV. At least give me bodhisattvas boldly stolen from other religions. Manichaeism worked because it made Gnosticism interesting. Sure the evil creator made this filth-world, but also look at this amazing art and the printed books and hymnals and wow, here are some great stories. Hype those saints. Bring me the Navigationalists and their weird ship-cults.

I discovered there are awakened (intelligent) gerns recently and my head hurts. (No, they're not just 'humans'.)

It's a no-no Chaos action is what it is

Like, they started as human and went full Sky/Fire rune (man when are we gonna get a rune font on this site, good lord). Descriptions of kitori vary but it's clear they at minimum could appear in a form not unlike the Tuskers, something like a hybrid. If the Lux are the Sky people we got maybe the GWD went in a different direction, but that's also why they could interbreed with humans and the like. Golden Fintelan was the son of a GWD mother and a human-mostali-dryad father who was the ruler of the Dorastorings. Too bad he didn't have kids with an uz, the Unity Council might have avoided the whole Gbaji problem.

Navigationalism is perhaps the most interesting school to me! The Hrestoli are cool but c'mon, an entire philosophical school based on SAILING?

also, what is sorcery in a world where power is fairly readily accessible? where's the line?

Fire was what I suspect, as I always thought they were like merfolk somehow - Forgotten Secrets of Glorantha says, "Greg had a race for each of the elements at one time, in the very early part of Glorantha. So the race for the Heat element, for Fire, was the Tamali. And then he realized that he had Hot Tamales, so they went away." Maybe the Tamalis went away, but the idea didn't quite. I see so little evidence of them before Time, though. Only the other elder races. Oh, right: paging @jajagappa

can we spend the rest of the thread thinking of snarky names for the scenario feel free to riff off the idea that the PCs should, but don't, expect this to be the challenging bit

Man my friends need this

I'm trying to figure out how a Hsunchen functions if they have no Person rune, I guess. This whole Rune shift thing with Spirit is throwing me around, I'm on unstable ground about how things are working with identity rune. You lose your Beast and you go full "Hsunchen by name only", yes. Part of this is I'm coming from HeroQuest and runes are different. I'm not, I'm interested because who isn't interested in Gold Wheel Dancers? Narcs, that's who. Narcs and broos. Also, they were around as recently as After Time, so it's not like you might not meet one in a heroquest. People in heroquests, they act like they are alive and real, even if ten thousand people from the Lunar Empire really aren't visiting the same person at the same time in the same temple in ancient history and sticking out like a sore thumb. (I'm not sure we really know what happens with heroquesting, do we, when it comes to things like the Entekosiad's stories of interactions with normal, everyday, presumably historical people.) I'm sort of interested if you'd give an answer about what kind of Runes a GWD would have. I have an opinion but I don't want to give it because I'm not asking for confirmation, I'm asking what you want, can, or actually know. (You might know nothing because it was abandonware or want to say nothing because it's old.)

He literally thought non-Anglo-Saxon people - and quite literally Anglo-Saxons, meaning he excluded, say, Italians and Greeks - were subhuman, and was extraordinarily vocal about it, and included it as a main theme in his stories. "Seattle-made 2019 rainbow-coloured lens" are you joking with this passive-aggressive stuff? Just say "homosexuals", it's shorter and we all know what you mean.* Insubordinate and churlish. Bonus points for managing to work in Twitter somehow. *I'd like to go on record now as saying these arguments here are entirely not good faith, they are passive-aggressive character attacks and why they slide under the auditor radar as "okay" is unclear to me

Please answer, O mighty lords of Heaven, even if you were to speculate: Would Hsunchen use Beast or Person? And what Rune would the Gold Wheel Dancers have had? (A girl can try?)

This isn't ... helpful at all, but I'm pretty sure I read something in a recent publication (like Sartar or the like, i.e. current) that specifically mentioned henna. I wish I could be more specific but I'm just pulling that out of my brain, if I find it later I'll update this. Kinda don't want to text search through all my books for "Vingans use henna" at 11 pm since I'm 50% through Godzilla, King of the Monsters, which apparently dropped today on Amazon (I rarely can go to cinemas). O god you said the Y-E words ;-)

Full credit to twitter user Social Justice Feral Hog @Flo_Poulpy, who writes, "Ils ont bien changé les Durulz de #Glorantha"

Yeah the whole sitch is confusing, like, isn't the point that you have power over the Spirit rune and therefore can manipulate it?

ok wait, the Black Sun has sane worshippers, they're just Darkness folk. The Black Sun defeated the Chaos god Tien and forced him into two separate forms, Than and Atyar. he might be bloodthirsty and a Darkness deity, but he's better than Zorak Zoran or Shargash. It's not like Hon Eel worshippers get called crazy, but they use human sacrifice in exchange for decent maize crops.

the privilege you demonstrated in this thread. which, incidentally, isn't a personal attack. having privilege isn't declaring you a sinner. "That's a pretty dictionary definition of privilege: not seeing the ugliness, not understanding it." Privilege isn't something you do, it's something you have. I mean, okay, I don't feel like I have either at this point, but I'm about to: you made a thread to complain about "political correctness" and now you're reaping the side effect of your free speech thread, which is that [.... REMOVED BY ADMIN...] Tough. You made the bed, lie in it. Side note: I bit my tongue right off not replying to your horrific replies about women in the 20s and 30s. I'm gonna say one thing right now, though, because it's been eating me up: Aside from every other [... REMOVED BY ADMIN...], you are suggesting that women got tuff and that's what changed the world and women before were weak and that's why patriarchy while simultaneously suggesting that women under patriarchy were wallowing in victimhood? I don't know but I had to say: that's just incredible.

um https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Creation_of_Niggers as a native Rhode Islander I'll just leave this here in case anyone thinks H.P. somehow "suddenly" became problematic in 2019 He was problematic when I was growing up in the 80s, he was problematic in the 70s, he was problematic before that. We're not Suddenly Being Offended Because Political Correctness. It's not subtle. It's right out in the open in his stories - not in every one, but for sure in a hell of a lot of them, and it's subtle as a wrench to the head. I can't help it if you never saw it. That's a pretty dictionary definition of privilege: not seeing the ugliness, not understanding it.

Like, literally it's just "this is who Lovecraft was". He was a racist shitbag. I love his work, even though he often needed a really good editor (and more often some serious mental health counseling). People at the time were like, "this dude is racist as hell, but he has some good stories". And it's not really a secret to anyone anywhere that about 50% of Lovecraft's entire shtick was "the immigrants are going to get us". Problematic faves are like, a thing. I can enjoy the Dreamlands just fine without erasing his racism. We shouldn't be approaching any author as a "golden goose" in the first place, because they're just people.

superluminal meteor strikes on the Earth, @g33k

one of the greatest things is that some of the first Deep Lore pieces I read was Greg Stafford's semi-non-apology for the Many Suns shenanigans at the time I was like, this seems ... dramatic now I'm like, lmao Weird, I thought I had linked this: https://www.glorantha.com/docs/the-birth-of-elmal/ "The Birth of Elmal; or, “Why I screwed up your Glorantha”

w o w this is an atomic hot take

ok but to be fair we're often talking about gaming in the 1930s with Lovecraft, how do you not discuss issues about sex and race in a game about 1930? You have to at least decide to say "we're going to ignore issues of sex and gender". Like, for real. In many countries, including the US, a single woman couldn't even rent a hotel room or open a bank account. Public bathrooms for women had been forced just like 20 years earlier in certain states as a blow against public discrimination (places refused to have women's restrooms, thus women couldn't easily leave the house or visit establishments). And that's 100% not even talking about race, which... let's not start discussing that here. So like... yeah, you're deciding already when you play a game that's set before now....

Since he's allied with Orlanth's Household, He gets a ride from Heler. Literally. And metaphorically. I stan Eller, the giant cloud enby and the Sun god rival-lovers.

But also HPL - who lived two doors down from my grandmother - was also a rampaging racist for his time. Like, people were like, "damn, HP, you're really racist." It's fine to say you don't like it. He's inspired a lot of good writers. A healthy crop of them are people of color or literally subvert his work. Just this last year or so there was: Victor Lavalle's The Ballad Of Black Tom is a fantastic novella about the life of a hustler in Jazz Age New York - and the terrors of sorcery. Dreams from the Witch House is a collection of storied edited by Lynne Jamneck. Matt Ruff's Lovecraft Country is incredible and its protagonists are the black researcher-authors of the Negro Motorist Green Book in Jim Crow America. It's terrifying. Ruthanna Emrys' series' protagonist and her brother are the last survivors of the ethnically-cleansed Innsmouth, and they were interned in a Japanese internment camp during WWII. Kij Johnson's The Dream-Quest of Velitt Bo is... well, what's on the tin. I'm missing a lot, I'm sure.